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Six Nations 2017

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    Margin_Walker
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    England Squad

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      I only just realised how big those squads are.

      Scotland have 22 forwards in their squad!

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        I only just realised how big those squads are.

        Scotland have 22 forwards in their squad!

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        @Crucial

        Yeah, training squads though I guess. Will be a bunch of players released back to their clubs in the run up to each game.

        For England, I think Catt, Williams and Lozowski are the only uncapped players. With Catt perhaps the best chance of getting into the 23.

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          I wonder what the contract rules are (if any)?
          In NZ if you get named in an AB squad you get paid accordingly whether used or not. That's why Hansen and Co often have to plead their case for an extra player or two to the bean counters before a tour

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            I'd be guessing, but assume for England you get a decent steady income for being part of the Elite Player Squad that's revised twice a year and a match fee for being part of the 23 on game day. Not sure how players not part of the EPS and that don't end up on the pitch are paid.

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              Re England, I found this

              "The Professional Game Agreement will see the England Elite Player Squad (EPS) increase from 33 to 45 players and greater flexibility during core international periods so 36 players can be selected for the camp instead of 33. The England head coach will now also be able to make the final selection of 45 squad members in the first week of October. A reduced number of 20 players will also be selected as part of a Next EPS squad for training camps and possible England Saxons fixtures. "

              Logically I would then guess that you get paid something for being in the EPS, extra for being in the camp and extra again as match fees/image rights/win bonuses if in the 23 on game day.
              Not a lot different to the NZ system where your base salary for the following year is increased if named in an AB Squad.

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                Prop
                Pietro CECCARELLI (Zebre Rugby, 5 caps)
                Dario CHISTOLINI (Zebre Rugby, 15 caps)
                Lorenzo CITTADINI (Aviron Bayonnais, 53 caps)
                Andrea LOVOTTI (Zebre Rugby, 9 caps)
                Sami PANICO (Patarò Calvisano, 6 caps)

                Hooker
                Tommaso D’APICE (Zebre Rugby, 11 caps)
                Ornel GEGA (Benetton Treviso, 8 caps)
                Leonardo GHIRALDINI (Stade Toulousain, 82 caps)

                Lock
                George Fabio BIAGI (Zebre Rugby, 14 caps)
                Joshua FURNO (Zebre Rugby, 36 caps)
                Marco FUSER (Benetton Treviso, 16 caps)
                Federico RUZZA (Zebre Rugby, new cap)
                Andries VAN SCHALKWYK (Zebre Rugby, 8 caps)

                Flanker/no.8
                Marco BARBINI (Benetton Treviso, 2 caps)
                Simone FAVARO (Glasgow Warriors, 33 caps)
                Maxime Mata MBANDA’ (Zebre Rugby, 3 caps)
                Francesco MINTO (Benetton Treviso, 31 caps)
                Sergio PARISSE (Stade Francais, 121 caps) – capitano
                Abraham Jurgens STEYN (Benetton Treviso, 6 caps)

                Halfback
                Giorgio BRONZINI (Benetton Treviso, 3 caps)
                Edoardo GORI (Benetton Treviso, 56 caps)
                Marcello VIOLI (Zebre Rugby, 2 caps)

                1st five eight
                Tommaso ALLAN (Benetton Treviso, 27 caps)
                Carlo CANNA (Zebre Rugby, 15 caps)

                Midfield
                Tommaso BENVENUTI (Benetton Treviso, 37 caps)
                Tommaso BONI (Zebre Rugby, 2 caps)
                Michele CAMPAGNARO (Exeter Chiefs, 25 caps)
                Luke MCLEAN (Benetton Treviso, 84 caps)

                Wing
                Giulio BISEGNI (Zebre Rugby, 5 caps)
                Angelo ESPOSITO (Benetton Treviso, 8 caps)
                Giovambattista VENDITTI (Zebre Rugby, 38 caps)

                Fullback
                Edoardo PADOVANI (Zebre Rugby, 6 caps)

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                  Big blow for France. Fofana out with a ruptured Achilles

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                    Big blow for France. Fofana out with a ruptured Achilles

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                    @Crucial Yes, I just watched the Clermont v Exeter Chiefs game and it certainly looked bad! Lamerat is a great, new asset for the French though!

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                      Ireland squad for the first two rounds.

                      Hooker Niall Scannell is named in the forwards and is one of the three uncapped players in the squad. Scannell captained the Ireland Under-20s at the Junior World Championship in 2012, leading them to the semi-final.

                      That U-20 squad also included the likes of Tadhg Furlong, Iain Henderson, Jack Conan and Luke McGrath who are all named in the Ireland squad today.

                      Andrew Conway, who featured for the Ireland Wolfhounds in 2015, and Rory Scannell, brother of Niall, are the uncapped players named among the 18 backs in the squad.

                      Ireland travel to both Edinburgh and Rome over the course of first two rounds of this year's Championship, facing Scotland at Murrayfield on Saturday, February 4 before flying to Rome to take on Conor O'Shea's Italian side on Saturday, February 11.

                      Ireland head coach Joe Schmidt commented: "It has been good to watch the players over the past two months and great to see many of them doing so well.

                      "As always, there were some difficult decisions but we feel that the group is a good mix with a number of key players having good experience and a number of newer players having gained valuable experience and confidence during the summer tour to South Africa and the recent GUINNESS November Series."

                      IRELAND Squad (2017 RBS 6 Nations - Rounds 1&2):

                      Player/Club/Province/Caps -

                      Backs (18):

                      Tommy Bowe (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster) 67 caps
                      Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) *
                      Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 54 caps
                      Craig Gilroy (Bangor/Ulster) 9 caps
                      Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 24 caps
                      Paddy Jackson (Dungannon/Ulster) 19 caps
                      Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 72 caps
                      Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 9 caps
                      Luke Marshall (Ballymena/Ulster) 9 caps
                      Stuart McCloskey (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 1 cap
                      Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
                      Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 53 caps
                      Tiernan O'Halloran (Buccaneers/Connacht) 3 caps
                      Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster) 3 caps
                      Rory Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) *
                      Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 63 caps
                      Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster) 69 caps
                      Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster) 28 caps

                      Forwards (22):

                      Finlay Bealham (Buccaneers/Connacht) 6 caps
                      Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) (capt) 100 caps
                      Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 1 cap
                      Ultan Dillane (Corinthians/Connacht) 8 caps
                      Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 11 caps
                      Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 62 caps
                      Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster) (vice-capt) 91 caps
                      Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 28 caps
                      Billy Holland (Cork Constitution/Munster) 1 cap
                      Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 17 caps
                      Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
                      Jack McGrath (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 36 caps
                      Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) 44 caps
                      Tommy O'Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster) 12 caps
                      Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 37 caps
                      Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster) 43 caps
                      John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 1 cap
                      Niall Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) *
                      CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 10 caps
                      Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 42 caps
                      James Tracy (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
                      Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 5 caps

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                        Ireland squad for the first two rounds.

                        Hooker Niall Scannell is named in the forwards and is one of the three uncapped players in the squad. Scannell captained the Ireland Under-20s at the Junior World Championship in 2012, leading them to the semi-final.

                        That U-20 squad also included the likes of Tadhg Furlong, Iain Henderson, Jack Conan and Luke McGrath who are all named in the Ireland squad today.

                        Andrew Conway, who featured for the Ireland Wolfhounds in 2015, and Rory Scannell, brother of Niall, are the uncapped players named among the 18 backs in the squad.

                        Ireland travel to both Edinburgh and Rome over the course of first two rounds of this year's Championship, facing Scotland at Murrayfield on Saturday, February 4 before flying to Rome to take on Conor O'Shea's Italian side on Saturday, February 11.

                        Ireland head coach Joe Schmidt commented: "It has been good to watch the players over the past two months and great to see many of them doing so well.

                        "As always, there were some difficult decisions but we feel that the group is a good mix with a number of key players having good experience and a number of newer players having gained valuable experience and confidence during the summer tour to South Africa and the recent GUINNESS November Series."

                        IRELAND Squad (2017 RBS 6 Nations - Rounds 1&2):

                        Player/Club/Province/Caps -

                        Backs (18):

                        Tommy Bowe (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster) 67 caps
                        Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) *
                        Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 54 caps
                        Craig Gilroy (Bangor/Ulster) 9 caps
                        Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 24 caps
                        Paddy Jackson (Dungannon/Ulster) 19 caps
                        Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 72 caps
                        Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 9 caps
                        Luke Marshall (Ballymena/Ulster) 9 caps
                        Stuart McCloskey (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 1 cap
                        Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
                        Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 53 caps
                        Tiernan O'Halloran (Buccaneers/Connacht) 3 caps
                        Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster) 3 caps
                        Rory Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) *
                        Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 63 caps
                        Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster) 69 caps
                        Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster) 28 caps

                        Forwards (22):

                        Finlay Bealham (Buccaneers/Connacht) 6 caps
                        Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) (capt) 100 caps
                        Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 1 cap
                        Ultan Dillane (Corinthians/Connacht) 8 caps
                        Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 11 caps
                        Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 62 caps
                        Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster) (vice-capt) 91 caps
                        Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 28 caps
                        Billy Holland (Cork Constitution/Munster) 1 cap
                        Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 17 caps
                        Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
                        Jack McGrath (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 36 caps
                        Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) 44 caps
                        Tommy O'Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster) 12 caps
                        Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 37 caps
                        Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster) 43 caps
                        John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 1 cap
                        Niall Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) *
                        CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 10 caps
                        Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 42 caps
                        James Tracy (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
                        Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 5 caps

                        • Denotes uncapped player
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                        @Pot-Hale

                        Interestingly, Stander is the only residency player included.

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                          Interesting to see that Steady Eddie is going down the Clive Woodward path and employing the same 'vision coach' that SCW did for the Lions tour to NZ.

                          Apparently the players need to improve their peripheral vision because they spend too long with their eyes on their cell phones.

                          Maybe the better way to improve hand eye coordination is to pass the ball around without it being pre-structured? Just saying.

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                            Steady Eddie confirmed Hartley as captain for opening game. No surprises there and I get why Jones wants him as captain but still think it is a poor look for the game when someone who has probably the worst disciplinary record in the international game is given such a high profile position.

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                              Eddie Jones sporting a black eye at today's press conference. He said he slipped in the shower.

                              Warren Gatland sported a bandage on his head at the Lions press conference a while ago - reason - he slipped in the bathroom.....

                              Just saying like...

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                                Eddie Jones sporting a black eye at today's press conference. He said he slipped in the shower.

                                Warren Gatland sported a bandage on his head at the Lions press conference a while ago - reason - he slipped in the bathroom.....

                                Just saying like...

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                                @Pot-Hale said in Six Nations 2017:

                                Eddie Jones sporting a black eye at today's press conference. He said he slipped in the shower.

                                Warren Gatland sported a bandage on his head at the Lions press conference a while ago - reason - he slipped in the bathroom.....

                                Just saying like...

                                Saying what? They were having 'pass the soap' games that went wrong?

                                Jones looked like Hartley had gone to town on his head at the bottom of a ruck.

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                                  High tackle sanctions, bonus points the talk of Six Nations launch

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                                    Good news:

                                    http://twitter.com/skysportnz/status/824770225648214017

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                                      Reports are that Marler is going to now be fit for selection this weekend. His leg 'break' has healed quickly.
                                      Must have visited Naholo's witch doctor.

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                                        England retain 25 players for the lead up to the France game.

                                        Forwards

                                        Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers), Jamie George (Saracens), Teimana Harrison (Northampton Saints), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), James Haskell (Wasps), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Joe Marler (Harlequins), Matt Mullan (Wasps), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints).

                                        Backs

                                        Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Bath Rugby), Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby), Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers).

                                        Papers seem to think the starting lineup will be:

                                        15 Brown
                                        14 Nowell
                                        13 Joseph
                                        12 Farrell
                                        11 May
                                        10 Ford
                                        9 Youngs
                                        1 Marler
                                        2 Hartley (c)
                                        3 Cole
                                        4 Lawes
                                        5 Kruis (injury in training today being assessed, so may be Launchbury)
                                        6 Itoje
                                        7 Wood
                                        8 Hughes

                                        In other news, Sexton ruled out of the Scotland game with a calf injury.

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                                          England retain 25 players for the lead up to the France game.

                                          Forwards

                                          Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers), Jamie George (Saracens), Teimana Harrison (Northampton Saints), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), James Haskell (Wasps), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Joe Marler (Harlequins), Matt Mullan (Wasps), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints).

                                          Backs

                                          Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Bath Rugby), Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby), Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers).

                                          Papers seem to think the starting lineup will be:

                                          15 Brown
                                          14 Nowell
                                          13 Joseph
                                          12 Farrell
                                          11 May
                                          10 Ford
                                          9 Youngs
                                          1 Marler
                                          2 Hartley (c)
                                          3 Cole
                                          4 Lawes
                                          5 Kruis (injury in training today being assessed, so may be Launchbury)
                                          6 Itoje
                                          7 Wood
                                          8 Hughes

                                          In other news, Sexton ruled out of the Scotland game with a calf injury.

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                                          @Margin_Walker what has happened to Tuilagi?

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