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Six Nations 2017

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    @Catogrande said in Six Nations 2017:

    @Crucial said in Six Nations 2017:

    @Bones said in Six Nations 2017:

    No Anscombe? I assume a "wildcard" is a player selected from Overseas?

    Yep.

    WRU explain the system here http://www.wru.co.uk/eng/wales/news/wales/37155.php#.WH4Xe1WLTRY

    *Seven players are captured for the 2016/17 season:
    Dominic Day
    Taulupe Faletau
    George North
    Rhys Priestland
    Jamie Roberts
    Nicky Thomas
    Rhodri Williams

    There are three wildcard selections available for each Wales campaign during the 2016/17 season from the seven names listed above.*

    I'm not sure if I'm missing something here or not but what about Halfpenny, Tomas Francis and Thomas Young? They all play outside of Wales.

    FIIK.

    Welsh logic?

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    @Crucial Ah. That explains a lot. Thanks.

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    • CatograndeC Catogrande

      @Crucial said in Six Nations 2017:

      @Bones said in Six Nations 2017:

      No Anscombe? I assume a "wildcard" is a player selected from Overseas?

      Yep.

      WRU explain the system here http://www.wru.co.uk/eng/wales/news/wales/37155.php#.WH4Xe1WLTRY

      *Seven players are captured for the 2016/17 season:
      Dominic Day
      Taulupe Faletau
      George North
      Rhys Priestland
      Jamie Roberts
      Nicky Thomas
      Rhodri Williams

      There are three wildcard selections available for each Wales campaign during the 2016/17 season from the seven names listed above.*

      I'm not sure if I'm missing something here or not but what about Halfpenny, Tomas Francis and Thomas Young? They all play outside of Wales.

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      @Catogrande said in Six Nations 2017:

      @Crucial said in Six Nations 2017:

      @Bones said in Six Nations 2017:

      No Anscombe? I assume a "wildcard" is a player selected from Overseas?

      Yep.

      WRU explain the system here http://www.wru.co.uk/eng/wales/news/wales/37155.php#.WH4Xe1WLTRY

      *Seven players are captured for the 2016/17 season:
      Dominic Day
      Taulupe Faletau
      George North
      Rhys Priestland
      Jamie Roberts
      Nicky Thomas
      Rhodri Williams

      There are three wildcard selections available for each Wales campaign during the 2016/17 season from the seven names listed above.*

      I'm not sure if I'm missing something here or not but what about Halfpenny, Tomas Francis and Thomas Young? They all play outside of Wales.

      They signed overseas before Gatland's Law was introduced so are not affected. http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/37316886

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        @Catogrande said in Six Nations 2017:

        @Crucial said in Six Nations 2017:

        @Bones said in Six Nations 2017:

        No Anscombe? I assume a "wildcard" is a player selected from Overseas?

        Yep.

        WRU explain the system here http://www.wru.co.uk/eng/wales/news/wales/37155.php#.WH4Xe1WLTRY

        *Seven players are captured for the 2016/17 season:
        Dominic Day
        Taulupe Faletau
        George North
        Rhys Priestland
        Jamie Roberts
        Nicky Thomas
        Rhodri Williams

        There are three wildcard selections available for each Wales campaign during the 2016/17 season from the seven names listed above.*

        I'm not sure if I'm missing something here or not but what about Halfpenny, Tomas Francis and Thomas Young? They all play outside of Wales.

        They signed overseas before Gatland's Law was introduced so are not affected. http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/37316886

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        @Pot-Hale OK, thanks PH, that makes sense of a sort.

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            French squad for the 6 Nations:

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              French squad for the 6 Nations:

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              @Stargazer

              Their Kiwi / Samoan prop (Atonio) is 6'5 & 155kg. I guess he balances out no Bastaraud

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                Joe Schmidt looking to extract the most from Six Nations squad hopefuls with his squad announcement not named until Sunday - after the final round of Heineken Cup matches in which Leinster, Munster and Connacht are competing for quarterfinal places and ideally home ground advantage.

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                  England Squad

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                    I only just realised how big those squads are.

                    Scotland have 22 forwards in their squad!

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                    • CrucialC Crucial

                      I only just realised how big those squads are.

                      Scotland have 22 forwards in their squad!

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                      @Crucial

                      Yeah, training squads though I guess. Will be a bunch of players released back to their clubs in the run up to each game.

                      For England, I think Catt, Williams and Lozowski are the only uncapped players. With Catt perhaps the best chance of getting into the 23.

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                        I wonder what the contract rules are (if any)?
                        In NZ if you get named in an AB squad you get paid accordingly whether used or not. That's why Hansen and Co often have to plead their case for an extra player or two to the bean counters before a tour

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                          I'd be guessing, but assume for England you get a decent steady income for being part of the Elite Player Squad that's revised twice a year and a match fee for being part of the 23 on game day. Not sure how players not part of the EPS and that don't end up on the pitch are paid.

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                            Re England, I found this

                            "The Professional Game Agreement will see the England Elite Player Squad (EPS) increase from 33 to 45 players and greater flexibility during core international periods so 36 players can be selected for the camp instead of 33. The England head coach will now also be able to make the final selection of 45 squad members in the first week of October. A reduced number of 20 players will also be selected as part of a Next EPS squad for training camps and possible England Saxons fixtures. "

                            Logically I would then guess that you get paid something for being in the EPS, extra for being in the camp and extra again as match fees/image rights/win bonuses if in the 23 on game day.
                            Not a lot different to the NZ system where your base salary for the following year is increased if named in an AB Squad.

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                              Prop
                              Pietro CECCARELLI (Zebre Rugby, 5 caps)
                              Dario CHISTOLINI (Zebre Rugby, 15 caps)
                              Lorenzo CITTADINI (Aviron Bayonnais, 53 caps)
                              Andrea LOVOTTI (Zebre Rugby, 9 caps)
                              Sami PANICO (Patarò Calvisano, 6 caps)

                              Hooker
                              Tommaso D’APICE (Zebre Rugby, 11 caps)
                              Ornel GEGA (Benetton Treviso, 8 caps)
                              Leonardo GHIRALDINI (Stade Toulousain, 82 caps)

                              Lock
                              George Fabio BIAGI (Zebre Rugby, 14 caps)
                              Joshua FURNO (Zebre Rugby, 36 caps)
                              Marco FUSER (Benetton Treviso, 16 caps)
                              Federico RUZZA (Zebre Rugby, new cap)
                              Andries VAN SCHALKWYK (Zebre Rugby, 8 caps)

                              Flanker/no.8
                              Marco BARBINI (Benetton Treviso, 2 caps)
                              Simone FAVARO (Glasgow Warriors, 33 caps)
                              Maxime Mata MBANDA’ (Zebre Rugby, 3 caps)
                              Francesco MINTO (Benetton Treviso, 31 caps)
                              Sergio PARISSE (Stade Francais, 121 caps) – capitano
                              Abraham Jurgens STEYN (Benetton Treviso, 6 caps)

                              Halfback
                              Giorgio BRONZINI (Benetton Treviso, 3 caps)
                              Edoardo GORI (Benetton Treviso, 56 caps)
                              Marcello VIOLI (Zebre Rugby, 2 caps)

                              1st five eight
                              Tommaso ALLAN (Benetton Treviso, 27 caps)
                              Carlo CANNA (Zebre Rugby, 15 caps)

                              Midfield
                              Tommaso BENVENUTI (Benetton Treviso, 37 caps)
                              Tommaso BONI (Zebre Rugby, 2 caps)
                              Michele CAMPAGNARO (Exeter Chiefs, 25 caps)
                              Luke MCLEAN (Benetton Treviso, 84 caps)

                              Wing
                              Giulio BISEGNI (Zebre Rugby, 5 caps)
                              Angelo ESPOSITO (Benetton Treviso, 8 caps)
                              Giovambattista VENDITTI (Zebre Rugby, 38 caps)

                              Fullback
                              Edoardo PADOVANI (Zebre Rugby, 6 caps)

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                                Big blow for France. Fofana out with a ruptured Achilles

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                                  Big blow for France. Fofana out with a ruptured Achilles

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                                  @Crucial Yes, I just watched the Clermont v Exeter Chiefs game and it certainly looked bad! Lamerat is a great, new asset for the French though!

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                                    Ireland squad for the first two rounds.

                                    Hooker Niall Scannell is named in the forwards and is one of the three uncapped players in the squad. Scannell captained the Ireland Under-20s at the Junior World Championship in 2012, leading them to the semi-final.

                                    That U-20 squad also included the likes of Tadhg Furlong, Iain Henderson, Jack Conan and Luke McGrath who are all named in the Ireland squad today.

                                    Andrew Conway, who featured for the Ireland Wolfhounds in 2015, and Rory Scannell, brother of Niall, are the uncapped players named among the 18 backs in the squad.

                                    Ireland travel to both Edinburgh and Rome over the course of first two rounds of this year's Championship, facing Scotland at Murrayfield on Saturday, February 4 before flying to Rome to take on Conor O'Shea's Italian side on Saturday, February 11.

                                    Ireland head coach Joe Schmidt commented: "It has been good to watch the players over the past two months and great to see many of them doing so well.

                                    "As always, there were some difficult decisions but we feel that the group is a good mix with a number of key players having good experience and a number of newer players having gained valuable experience and confidence during the summer tour to South Africa and the recent GUINNESS November Series."

                                    IRELAND Squad (2017 RBS 6 Nations - Rounds 1&2):

                                    Player/Club/Province/Caps -

                                    Backs (18):

                                    Tommy Bowe (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster) 67 caps
                                    Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) *
                                    Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 54 caps
                                    Craig Gilroy (Bangor/Ulster) 9 caps
                                    Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 24 caps
                                    Paddy Jackson (Dungannon/Ulster) 19 caps
                                    Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 72 caps
                                    Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 9 caps
                                    Luke Marshall (Ballymena/Ulster) 9 caps
                                    Stuart McCloskey (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 1 cap
                                    Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
                                    Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 53 caps
                                    Tiernan O'Halloran (Buccaneers/Connacht) 3 caps
                                    Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster) 3 caps
                                    Rory Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) *
                                    Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 63 caps
                                    Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster) 69 caps
                                    Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster) 28 caps

                                    Forwards (22):

                                    Finlay Bealham (Buccaneers/Connacht) 6 caps
                                    Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) (capt) 100 caps
                                    Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 1 cap
                                    Ultan Dillane (Corinthians/Connacht) 8 caps
                                    Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 11 caps
                                    Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 62 caps
                                    Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster) (vice-capt) 91 caps
                                    Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 28 caps
                                    Billy Holland (Cork Constitution/Munster) 1 cap
                                    Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 17 caps
                                    Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
                                    Jack McGrath (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 36 caps
                                    Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) 44 caps
                                    Tommy O'Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster) 12 caps
                                    Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 37 caps
                                    Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster) 43 caps
                                    John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 1 cap
                                    Niall Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) *
                                    CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 10 caps
                                    Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 42 caps
                                    James Tracy (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
                                    Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 5 caps

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                                      Ireland squad for the first two rounds.

                                      Hooker Niall Scannell is named in the forwards and is one of the three uncapped players in the squad. Scannell captained the Ireland Under-20s at the Junior World Championship in 2012, leading them to the semi-final.

                                      That U-20 squad also included the likes of Tadhg Furlong, Iain Henderson, Jack Conan and Luke McGrath who are all named in the Ireland squad today.

                                      Andrew Conway, who featured for the Ireland Wolfhounds in 2015, and Rory Scannell, brother of Niall, are the uncapped players named among the 18 backs in the squad.

                                      Ireland travel to both Edinburgh and Rome over the course of first two rounds of this year's Championship, facing Scotland at Murrayfield on Saturday, February 4 before flying to Rome to take on Conor O'Shea's Italian side on Saturday, February 11.

                                      Ireland head coach Joe Schmidt commented: "It has been good to watch the players over the past two months and great to see many of them doing so well.

                                      "As always, there were some difficult decisions but we feel that the group is a good mix with a number of key players having good experience and a number of newer players having gained valuable experience and confidence during the summer tour to South Africa and the recent GUINNESS November Series."

                                      IRELAND Squad (2017 RBS 6 Nations - Rounds 1&2):

                                      Player/Club/Province/Caps -

                                      Backs (18):

                                      Tommy Bowe (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster) 67 caps
                                      Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) *
                                      Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 54 caps
                                      Craig Gilroy (Bangor/Ulster) 9 caps
                                      Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 24 caps
                                      Paddy Jackson (Dungannon/Ulster) 19 caps
                                      Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 72 caps
                                      Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 9 caps
                                      Luke Marshall (Ballymena/Ulster) 9 caps
                                      Stuart McCloskey (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 1 cap
                                      Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
                                      Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 53 caps
                                      Tiernan O'Halloran (Buccaneers/Connacht) 3 caps
                                      Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster) 3 caps
                                      Rory Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) *
                                      Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 63 caps
                                      Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster) 69 caps
                                      Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster) 28 caps

                                      Forwards (22):

                                      Finlay Bealham (Buccaneers/Connacht) 6 caps
                                      Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) (capt) 100 caps
                                      Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 1 cap
                                      Ultan Dillane (Corinthians/Connacht) 8 caps
                                      Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 11 caps
                                      Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 62 caps
                                      Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster) (vice-capt) 91 caps
                                      Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 28 caps
                                      Billy Holland (Cork Constitution/Munster) 1 cap
                                      Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 17 caps
                                      Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
                                      Jack McGrath (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 36 caps
                                      Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) 44 caps
                                      Tommy O'Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster) 12 caps
                                      Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 37 caps
                                      Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster) 43 caps
                                      John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 1 cap
                                      Niall Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) *
                                      CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 10 caps
                                      Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 42 caps
                                      James Tracy (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
                                      Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 5 caps

                                      • Denotes uncapped player
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                                      Derm McCrum
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                                      @Pot-Hale

                                      Interestingly, Stander is the only residency player included.

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                                        Interesting to see that Steady Eddie is going down the Clive Woodward path and employing the same 'vision coach' that SCW did for the Lions tour to NZ.

                                        Apparently the players need to improve their peripheral vision because they spend too long with their eyes on their cell phones.

                                        Maybe the better way to improve hand eye coordination is to pass the ball around without it being pre-structured? Just saying.

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                                          Steady Eddie confirmed Hartley as captain for opening game. No surprises there and I get why Jones wants him as captain but still think it is a poor look for the game when someone who has probably the worst disciplinary record in the international game is given such a high profile position.

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