Blues v BI Lions
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@Steven-Harris said in Blues v BI Lions:
@pukunui
I asked about Melani Nanai,they both said he was an exceptional talent,especially the ability to beat a player with footwork and pace,but that's also his weakness,from the back first instinct is to run at the defence moving up,reason why,no kicking game,and does not look to where his support is.can think of the game against the chiefs in Hamilton last year,The Blues lead for a good part of that match,and then Cruden worked him out,they sent long kicks down into the red zone,simply because he had no kicking game..Interesting insights, thanks for that.
Some comments though. Firstly, Nanai was called into that Chiefs game late (as starting fullback Visinia pulled out before kickoff with an injury). It's a little harsh to cherry pick that game, especially when Nanai scored an individual 50 metre try that helped put the Blues in the lead in the first place.
Secondly, if Collins played to the level he played against the Lions in the NZ derbies, the Blues would have won one or two of those derbies and could very well have snuck into the playoffs. He didn't. His error rate in the derbies was very high, dropping high balls, dropping the ball, kicks out on the full etc. This combined with next to zero attacking spark puts the Blues on the backfoot. Nanai is clearly a much stronger attacker with the ability to create something out of nothing but also a much stronger tackler (in terms of speed to cover ground and his actual tackling).
I think an argument can be made the slower pace that the Lions played at suited Collins. He probably suits the northern hemisphere style more. The fast paced razzle dazzle nz derbies expose his weaknesses.
Hopefully Nanai keeps working away on his areas of improvement.
@KiwiMurph just want to make it clear,I think Nanai is an exceptional talent,but for me personally,prefer him as a winger.
The example of of last year year may seem harsh,given that he did score an exceptional try in that game,but I have seen other examples,when he's cornered,the let's run out of trouble option seems to be the first instinct.Like others,there is a concern,that because he's not getting game time,moving to another franchise might be a viable option.
If that's what the coaching staff are seeing,I guess we only run with what they are doing..
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@jegga said in Blues v BI Lions:
Just rewatching the game, a pommy mate of mine was talking up Itoje before the tour. Is Itoje known for being a bit of an excitable dickhead or is he just pumped to be part of this tour?
Yeah, he's known for the clapping and whooping.
He is a very good player with heaps of potential given his age (21-22) but has basically had it all his own way so far in his career. Under-20 World Cup winner, part of dominant Saracens and England teams in Europe. This tour is likely to be the making or breaking of him, based on how he responds to adversity.
@SimonAdd_2 said in Blues v BI Lions:
@jegga said in Blues v BI Lions:
Just rewatching the game, a pommy mate of mine was talking up Itoje before the tour. Is Itoje known for being a bit of an excitable dickhead or is he just pumped to be part of this tour?
Yeah, he's known for the clapping and whooping.
He is a very good player with heaps of potential given his age (21-22) but has basically had it all his own way so far in his career. Under-20 World Cup winner, part of dominant Saracens and England teams in Europe. This tour is likely to be the making or breaking of him, based on how he responds to adversity.
I'm interested to see how he goes , I cant remember a young NH forward being talked up the way this kid has ( from our media as well )
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On Itoe and the yelling, is it penalizable under 10.4 (m)? @Damo other refs?
10.4
(m) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure.Sanction: Penalty kick
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On Itoe and the yelling, is it penalizable under 10.4 (m)? @Damo other refs?
10.4
(m) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure.Sanction: Penalty kick
@gt12 said in Blues v BI Lions:
On Itoe and the yelling, is it penalizable under 10.4 (m)? @Damo other refs?
10.4
(m) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure.Sanction: Penalty kick
And on every opposition player who pats the head of an opponent after they've given away a penalty?
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@Catogrande and every halfback that claps vigorously and yells half a metre from the opposition when a scrum penalty is given.....
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@Catogrande and every halfback that claps vigorously and yells half a metre from the opposition when a scrum penalty is given.....
@ACT-Crusader Absolutely and it's also time we went back to a simple hand-shake after scoring a try.
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Lookout the fun police are here.
I don't mind these interactions, adds a bit of colour to the game.
My only couple of issues with Itoje was that a) he celebrated too early and now looks like a fool and b) he was playing for the star international team against a local franchise, I wouldn't like to see an AB do that in a mid-week game for example but in a big test I can see how the emotions would get the best of you.
To quote the NFL's Raiders - just win baby.
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Lookout the fun police are here.
I don't mind these interactions, adds a bit of colour to the game.
My only couple of issues with Itoje was that a) he celebrated too early and now looks like a fool and b) he was playing for the star international team against a local franchise, I wouldn't like to see an AB do that in a mid-week game for example but in a big test I can see how the emotions would get the best of you.
To quote the NFL's Raiders - just win baby.
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v BI Lions:
Lookout the fun police are here.
I don't mind these interactions, adds a bit of colour to the game.
My only couple of issues with Itoje was that a) he celebrated too early and now looks like a fool and b) he was playing for the star international team against a local franchise, I wouldn't like to see an AB do that in a mid-week game for example but in a big test I can see how the emotions would get the best of you.
To quote the NFL's Raiders - just win baby.
I'd share a top quality meme about the fun police but I'd just end up getting banned.
Again.
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On Itoe and the yelling, is it penalizable under 10.4 (m)? @Damo other refs?
10.4
(m) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure.Sanction: Penalty kick
@gt12 said in Blues v BI Lions:
On Itoe and the yelling, is it penalizable under 10.4 (m)? @Damo other refs?
10.4
(m) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure.Sanction: Penalty kick
Possibly, but a ref would be advised to tell the players he would do that prior to the game, otherwise it would be a bit too interventionist for my liking. If WR took a stand and issued a directive it would be different.
I'm not a fan of the behaviour, but it's not up to referees to impose their preferences on the players.
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On Itoe and the yelling, is it penalizable under 10.4 (m)? @Damo other refs?
10.4
(m) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure.Sanction: Penalty kick
@gt12 said in Blues v BI Lions:
On Itoe and the yelling, is it penalizable under 10.4 (m)? @Damo other refs?
10.4
(m) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure.Sanction: Penalty kick
In extreme cases at school level I have seen this done. I was running touch in a game where one hooker would be screaming in the face of the throwing hooker every throw trying to put him off. I suggested that he stop doing it and when he didn't I pointed it out to the ref and left it in his hands. He watched it once and warned him then penalised him next time.
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@KiwiMurph said in Blues v BI Lions:
Lookout the fun police are here.
I don't mind these interactions, adds a bit of colour to the game.
My only couple of issues with Itoje was that a) he celebrated too early and now looks like a fool and b) he was playing for the star international team against a local franchise, I wouldn't like to see an AB do that in a mid-week game for example but in a big test I can see how the emotions would get the best of you.
To quote the NFL's Raiders - just win baby.
I'd share a top quality meme about the fun police but I'd just end up getting banned.
Again.
@MN5 said in Blues v BI Lions:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v BI Lions:
Lookout the fun police are here.
I don't mind these interactions, adds a bit of colour to the game.
My only couple of issues with Itoje was that a) he celebrated too early and now looks like a fool and b) he was playing for the star international team against a local franchise, I wouldn't like to see an AB do that in a mid-week game for example but in a big test I can see how the emotions would get the best of you.
To quote the NFL's Raiders - just win baby.
I'd share a top quality meme about the fun police but I'd just end up getting banned.
Again.
Go on. You know you want to.
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@MN5 said in Blues v BI Lions:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v BI Lions:
Lookout the fun police are here.
I don't mind these interactions, adds a bit of colour to the game.
My only couple of issues with Itoje was that a) he celebrated too early and now looks like a fool and b) he was playing for the star international team against a local franchise, I wouldn't like to see an AB do that in a mid-week game for example but in a big test I can see how the emotions would get the best of you.
To quote the NFL's Raiders - just win baby.
I'd share a top quality meme about the fun police but I'd just end up getting banned.
Again.
Go on. You know you want to.
@Catogrande said in Blues v BI Lions:
@MN5 said in Blues v BI Lions:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v BI Lions:
Lookout the fun police are here.
I don't mind these interactions, adds a bit of colour to the game.
My only couple of issues with Itoje was that a) he celebrated too early and now looks like a fool and b) he was playing for the star international team against a local franchise, I wouldn't like to see an AB do that in a mid-week game for example but in a big test I can see how the emotions would get the best of you.
To quote the NFL's Raiders - just win baby.
I'd share a top quality meme about the fun police but I'd just end up getting banned.
Again.
Go on. You know you want to.
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@gt12 said in Blues v BI Lions:
On Itoe and the yelling, is it penalizable under 10.4 (m)? @Damo other refs?
10.4
(m) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure.Sanction: Penalty kick
In extreme cases at school level I have seen this done. I was running touch in a game where one hooker would be screaming in the face of the throwing hooker every throw trying to put him off. I suggested that he stop doing it and when he didn't I pointed it out to the ref and left it in his hands. He watched it once and warned him then penalised him next time.
@Crucial That's actually why I brought it up. I'm not commenting on the celebrating - I'm commenting on the yelling during the line out. I wondered if I'd be Ok with that at schoolboy level, and I'm sure I wouldn't be.
@Damo Good call. I guess if it were seen to be a problem, then a directive could be issued.
@therestofyoufuckers, I'm fun. I'm all about the fun. Ask my chess group.
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@Catogrande said in Blues v BI Lions:
@MN5 said in Blues v BI Lions:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v BI Lions:
Lookout the fun police are here.
I don't mind these interactions, adds a bit of colour to the game.
My only couple of issues with Itoje was that a) he celebrated too early and now looks like a fool and b) he was playing for the star international team against a local franchise, I wouldn't like to see an AB do that in a mid-week game for example but in a big test I can see how the emotions would get the best of you.
To quote the NFL's Raiders - just win baby.
I'd share a top quality meme about the fun police but I'd just end up getting banned.
Again.
Go on. You know you want to.
@MN5 said in Blues v BI Lions:
@Catogrande said in Blues v BI Lions:
@MN5 said in Blues v BI Lions:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v BI Lions:
Lookout the fun police are here.
I don't mind these interactions, adds a bit of colour to the game.
My only couple of issues with Itoje was that a) he celebrated too early and now looks like a fool and b) he was playing for the star international team against a local franchise, I wouldn't like to see an AB do that in a mid-week game for example but in a big test I can see how the emotions would get the best of you.
To quote the NFL's Raiders - just win baby.
I'd share a top quality meme about the fun police but I'd just end up getting banned.
Again.
Go on. You know you want to.
Don't be daft.
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@MN5 said in Blues v BI Lions:
@Catogrande said in Blues v BI Lions:
@MN5 said in Blues v BI Lions:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v BI Lions:
Lookout the fun police are here.
I don't mind these interactions, adds a bit of colour to the game.
My only couple of issues with Itoje was that a) he celebrated too early and now looks like a fool and b) he was playing for the star international team against a local franchise, I wouldn't like to see an AB do that in a mid-week game for example but in a big test I can see how the emotions would get the best of you.
To quote the NFL's Raiders - just win baby.
I'd share a top quality meme about the fun police but I'd just end up getting banned.
Again.
Go on. You know you want to.
Don't be daft.
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On my way to work I have calmed down a bit on the DMac thing.
I assume that the ABs see him as a 10 option only and he will get a chance to stake that claim next year
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@pakman said in Blues v BI Lions:
@Crucial Canes game shows DMac is not an option at 10.
Not quite sure how you get to that conclusion. He moved there after an injury and the whole gameplan had to be adjusted on the spot. The Chiefs backs operate on the 2 first receivers (like the Canes tried tonight as well). When Cruden went off DMac had to play a conservative distributor role.
I've never said he is an AB 10 but will have the chance to put himself in that crowded frame next season. I have watched him play at NPC level as a 10 and he controls a game nicely with time on the ball and good decisions. Let's see if he can step it up a grade.
If he does we would have 4 quality 10s to choose from.
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@pakman said in Blues v BI Lions:
@Crucial Canes game shows DMac is not an option at 10.
Not quite sure how you get to that conclusion. He moved there after an injury and the whole gameplan had to be adjusted on the spot. The Chiefs backs operate on the 2 first receivers (like the Canes tried tonight as well). When Cruden went off DMac had to play a conservative distributor role.
I've never said he is an AB 10 but will have the chance to put himself in that crowded frame next season. I have watched him play at NPC level as a 10 and he controls a game nicely with time on the ball and good decisions. Let's see if he can step it up a grade.
If he does we would have 4 quality 10s to choose from.
@Crucial To expand a bit. IMO DMac isn't anything special at 10. Special in this context meaning AB quality. There isn't the space and he has to play accordingly. By way of contrast, at 15, either at the back or as a roving receiver, he is absolutely extraordinary. Given space and unstructured defences he ignites the Chiefs attack. A pleasure to behold.
