Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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I think we are seeing Anakin done right, so instead of comparing him to Darth Vader who was 20 years into being a bad guy, compare him to the fall of Anakin. Or whiny Luke, he's bang on for a Star Wars film.
And we don't know what the story is with Rey yet, so it's too soon to judge her powers in that fight.
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@crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Leah was dead anyway but looks like Weirdo Renn kills her (unless she sends him a mind message with the force powers she appears to have ignored). Id put money on Luke getting killed as well.
Watching that you realise how shit the leads are compared to the original. Luke, Han, Leah, Obi, Darth, Yoda, Emperor etc. vs Rey, Renn, Po, Finn, Phasma and General Deformed face. It ain't even a contest.
I half agree with this. I think a lot depends on how Snoke is developed ( he has awesome potential ) but the rest of the bad guys aren't a patch on DV and Moff Tarkin.
I do quite like Rey, Po and Finn have a shitload of convincing to do for mine though.
I also forgot Lando.
Kylo Renn could have been seriously cool but the farked it up big time. My eldest bought the toy and couldn't wait to see the film. Then of course he took off his mask, had a tantie and got his arse kicked by a girl who'd barely seen a light saber.
Can you imagine if Darth Vader took off his mask in ANH to reveal the 1977 version of Adam Driver? Christ that would have sucked.
Yeah, but watch ANH and ESB again. As great as they were at the time, and in our memories, Luke was a whiny biatch through both of those movies. The characters we know and like developed over the trilogy.
In TFA they had to introduce these new characters to grow in front of us as well. Even from that trailer it looks like Kylo is growing into something good. Snoke will get fleshed out, Rey will get to show a personality etc
Finn has the most room to develop. He was simply a bewildered stormtrooper in TFALuke was a super ambitious kid who grew up on a shit hole in the middle of nowhere. His development in the films is perfect. What would have been utterly ridiculous is if he'd chopped up Vader in ANH without even having Obi as a mentor.
Renn is shit. They could have at least cast a guy who looks like the spawn of Han. He looks farking comical without his mask. What's he going to grow into? He already killed his dad. Will he grow into killing his mum?
I hope they do flesh out these characters but as it stands they are pale imitations of the old ones. Watching the trailer only drives that home.
Wish they'd stolen all the Rogue One characters they killed off.
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@kirwan I hope she turns to the dark side.
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@antipodean said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan I hope she turns to the dark side.
Or maybe it's something new? I'm mildly excited, which will only grow closer to the premier
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@antipodean said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan I hope she turns to the dark side.
Possibly, Ren might turn to the light too. Nice not to be sure about where they are going. Im not 100% sure Luke is a good guy still.
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@crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Leah was dead anyway but looks like Weirdo Renn kills her (unless she sends him a mind message with the force powers she appears to have ignored). Id put money on Luke getting killed as well.
Watching that you realise how shit the leads are compared to the original. Luke, Han, Leah, Obi, Darth, Yoda, Emperor etc. vs Rey, Renn, Po, Finn, Phasma and General Deformed face. It ain't even a contest.
I half agree with this. I think a lot depends on how Snoke is developed ( he has awesome potential ) but the rest of the bad guys aren't a patch on DV and Moff Tarkin.
I do quite like Rey, Po and Finn have a shitload of convincing to do for mine though.
I also forgot Lando.
Kylo Renn could have been seriously cool but the farked it up big time. My eldest bought the toy and couldn't wait to see the film. Then of course he took off his mask, had a tantie and got his arse kicked by a girl who'd barely seen a light saber.
Can you imagine if Darth Vader took off his mask in ANH to reveal the 1977 version of Adam Driver? Christ that would have sucked.
Yeah, but watch ANH and ESB again. As great as they were at the time, and in our memories, Luke was a whiny biatch through both of those movies. The characters we know and like developed over the trilogy.
In TFA they had to introduce these new characters to grow in front of us as well. Even from that trailer it looks like Kylo is growing into something good. Snoke will get fleshed out, Rey will get to show a personality etc
Finn has the most room to develop. He was simply a bewildered stormtrooper in TFAThis is a very good point. I don't recall anyone whining that they can't go to toshi station to pick up some power converters quite like Like does.
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@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@antipodean said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan I hope she turns to the dark side.
Possibly, Ren might turn to the light too. Nice not to be sure about where they are going. Im not 100% sure Luke is a good guy still.
Yeah I reckon Luke has had a crisis of faith so to speak after training Ren and losing him to the dark side. He has dwelt on his emotions for too long and how he let down his sister and best friend. Those thoughts lead to anger, hate and jealously....
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@act-crusader said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@antipodean said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan I hope she turns to the dark side.
Possibly, Ren might turn to the light too. Nice not to be sure about where they are going. Im not 100% sure Luke is a good guy still.
Yeah I reckon Luke has had a crisis of faith so to speak after training Ren and losing him to the dark side. He has dwelt on his emotions for too long and how he let down his sister and best friend. Those thoughts lead to anger, hate and jealously....
And he mentions being afraid in the trailer, and we know where fear leads.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Watching that you realise how shit the leads are compared to the original. Luke, Han, Leah, Obi, Darth, Yoda, Emperor etc. vs Rey, Renn, Po, Finn, Phasma and General Deformed face. It ain't even a contest.
I don't really agree with that. Even for its time, a lot of the acting in the original trilogy was quite hammy and the character development was hardly done in depth.
It was held together by a fucking great bad guy in Darth Vader, who didn't have to act at all.
Of course, its difficult trying to put a lens on your memories and compare them to the adults we've grown into.
Kylo Ren is a massive fuckup without doubt. Besides being a fucking ugly fluffybunny who looks nothing like either of his parents, he's such a fucking emotard.
Poe Dameron has barely been seen which is a character arc I think they've failed to cover adequately in pursuit of a massive 'splosion gallery.
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@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Poe Dameron was supposed to die in the crash, then they decided to bring him back. So no surprise there wasn’t much arc for him.
At least this one doesn’t have to introduce everything, so should get right on with it.
This generation's Wedge Antilles? At least Po got to fire some guns and stuff I suppose
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@nta said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Watching that you realise how shit the leads are compared to the original. Luke, Han, Leah, Obi, Darth, Yoda, Emperor etc. vs Rey, Renn, Po, Finn, Phasma and General Deformed face. It ain't even a contest.
I don't really agree with that. Even for its time, a lot of the acting in the original trilogy was quite hammy and the character development was hardly done in depth.
It was held together by a fucking great bad guy in Darth Vader, who didn't have to act at all.
Of course, its difficult trying to put a lens on your memories and compare them to the adults we've grown into.
Kylo Ren is a massive fuckup without doubt. Besides being a fucking ugly fluffybunny who looks nothing like either of his parents, he's such a fucking emotard.
Poe Dameron has barely been seen which is a character arc I think they've failed to cover adequately in pursuit of a massive 'splosion gallery.
It's not the acting it's the characters themselves. Luke, Han, Vader etc. shit on the current mob.
Hope to see more of Po.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel you are welcome to your own opinions but whenever it comes to SW stuff you are the biggest 'bah humbugger' of all time.
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@crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel you are welcome to your own opinions but whenever it comes to SW stuff you are the biggest 'bah humbugger' of all time.
No, you're all just living in denial.
But seriously, how can you even compare the original characters with the current ones? It's like the Allblacks vs Tonga.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel you are welcome to your own opinions but whenever it comes to SW stuff you are the biggest 'bah humbugger' of all time.
No, you're all just living in denial.
But seriously, how can you even compare the original characters with the current ones? It's like the Allblacks vs Tonga.
It's not always about the All Blacks you know.
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@catogrande said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel you are welcome to your own opinions but whenever it comes to SW stuff you are the biggest 'bah humbugger' of all time.
No, you're all just living in denial.
But seriously, how can you even compare the original characters with the current ones? It's like the Allblacks vs Tonga.
It's not always about the All Blacks you know.
Yes it is dammit. But if you don't like that analogy how about Real Madrid vs Real Mallorca.
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@rancid-schnitzel I'm objecting to the sporticising of a non sport related thread.
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@catogrande said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel I'm objecting to the sporticising of a non sport related thread.
Fair enough. How's this:
Sports Illustrated Model vs Kmart model
