Blues 2018
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@tim said in Blues 2018:
Good to see Tua there. Looks like they've focused on work-rate for loose forwards. Could do with another ball carrier in there.
Kirkpatrick is an absolute joke. Really hope he sees zero game time.
Wider Training Group might be important for cover at 8, lock, wing, and when Kirkpatrick is dumped.
Hope Gibson isn't out for long!
I thought they had done away with the WTG ?
They can just contract cover players for injury as and when required, and sign promising players to development contracts?
@number-10 Yeah, should probably have said development squad.
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@tim said in Blues 2018:
Good to see Tua there. Looks like they've focused on work-rate for loose forwards. Could do with another ball carrier in there.
Kirkpatrick is an absolute joke. Really hope he sees zero game time.
Wider Training Group might be important for cover at 8, lock, wing, and when Kirkpatrick is dumped.
Hope Gibson isn't out for long!
I thought they had done away with the WTG ?
They can just contract cover players for injury as and when required, and sign promising players to development contracts?
Totally agree regarding Kirkpatrick,bloody average,we let Ihaia West go for this cart horse..?,would have taken Jade Te Rure from the Turbos,even Turbo fans have told me he's better than Otere Black..!
And who the hell is Isaac Salmon..?.. -
@tim said in Blues 2018:
Likely XXIII:
- Hodgman
- Parsons
- Tu'ungafasi
- Tuipulotu
- Scrafton
- Kaino
- Gibson
- Ioane
- Pulu
- Perofeta
-- now the speculation starts -- - Ioane
- Faiane
- SBW
- Nanai
- Duffie
-- reserves are more predictable -- - Moulds
- Manu
- Tamoaieta
- Cowley-Tuioti
- Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
- Nock
- Gatland
- Moala
Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.
I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.
Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.
Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.
That is pretty close to being spot on.
Papali'i ticks all the boxes for the backrow bench role. He plays all the backrow positions and is a good line-out option.
That midfield was what I wanted to see this year, but it never got any time. I do wonder if Tana is willing to shift SBW out one.
@dice said in Blues 2018:
Papali'i ticks all the boxes for the backrow bench role. He plays all the backrow positions and is a good line-out option.
I didn't realise that he was 113kg. In that case, he should be a good option at 6 and 8 too. There's a big discrepancy between his Auckland and Blues stats though ...
Blues: 193 cm, 113 kg.
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Totally agree regarding Kirkpatrick,bloody average,we let Ihaia West go for this cart horse..?,would have taken Jade Te Rure from the Turbos,even Turbo fans have told me he's better than Otere Black..!
And who the hell is Isaac Salmon..?..@steven-harris said in Blues 2018:
Totally agree regarding Kirkpatrick,bloody average,we let Ihaia West go for this cart horse..?,would have taken Jade Te Rure from the Turbos,even Turbo fans have told me he's better than Otere Black..!
And who the hell is Isaac Salmon..?..Seriously? I didn't realise Blues fans were such whinge bags.
All we ever hear is that not enough is done by the Blues to lure a 10 into the setup. They have grabbed Perofeta before anyone else did and talked Black into moving as well. It isn't Umagas fault that Black got badly injured after signing.
I do agree that Kirkpatrick isn't the goods but he is there as a the stand in number three choice and is at least experienced. -
I don't get the props? Apparently Salmon is a tight head which means we have 4 tight heads and 2 loose? Maybe Salmon can play both?.. It would be a shame to expect Tu'ungafaasi to switch when he is just starting to fulfill his promise at tight head. Unless that is in the AB selectors plans for him. .
@daffy-jaffy said in Blues 2018:
I don't get the props? Apparently Salmon is a tight head which means we have 4 tight heads and 2 loose? Maybe Salmon can play both?.. It would be a shame to expect Tu'ungafaasi to switch when he is just starting to fulfill his promise at tight head. Unless that is in the AB selectors plans for him
This is even more concerning than Kirkpatrick
I can't find any record of Mafileo, Salmon & Tamoaieta ever playing LH. So Umaga will convert one of these guys to cover both sides or screw up Ofa's progress
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@steven-harris said in Blues 2018:
Totally agree regarding Kirkpatrick,bloody average,we let Ihaia West go for this cart horse..?,would have taken Jade Te Rure from the Turbos,even Turbo fans have told me he's better than Otere Black..!
And who the hell is Isaac Salmon..?..Seriously? I didn't realise Blues fans were such whinge bags.
All we ever hear is that not enough is done by the Blues to lure a 10 into the setup. They have grabbed Perofeta before anyone else did and talked Black into moving as well. It isn't Umagas fault that Black got badly injured after signing.
I do agree that Kirkpatrick isn't the goods but he is there as a the stand in number three choice and is at least experienced. -
@daffy-jaffy said in Blues 2018:
I don't get the props? Apparently Salmon is a tight head which means we have 4 tight heads and 2 loose? Maybe Salmon can play both?.. It would be a shame to expect Tu'ungafaasi to switch when he is just starting to fulfill his promise at tight head. Unless that is in the AB selectors plans for him
This is even more concerning than Kirkpatrick
I can't find any record of Mafileo, Salmon & Tamoaieta ever playing LH. So Umaga will convert one of these guys to cover both sides or screw up Ofa's progress
@duluth 3rd string front row depth is so important. More often than not one will be injured so 3rd choices will often be in the match day 23. I see both Tamoietea and Salmon as inexperience risks. Salmon was not even in Tasmans squad only came in for 6 games when they had two in the all blacks and two others injured. Hopefully they have inside oil on his potential. Also hope they can make some gains with Tamoietea's fitness and body shape like they did with Nematahi Waa when he was in the squad.
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@dice said in Blues 2018:
Papali'i ticks all the boxes for the backrow bench role. He plays all the backrow positions and is a good line-out option.
I didn't realise that he was 113kg. In that case, he should be a good option at 6 and 8 too. There's a big discrepancy between his Auckland and Blues stats though ...
Blues: 193 cm, 113 kg.
Auckland: 190 cm, 104 kg.@tim said in Blues 2018:
@dice said in Blues 2018:
Papali'i ticks all the boxes for the backrow bench role. He plays all the backrow positions and is a good line-out option.
I didn't realise that he was 113kg. In that case, he should be a good option at 6 and 8 too. There's a big discrepancy between his Auckland and Blues stats though ...
Blues: 193 cm, 113 kg.
Auckland: 190 cm, 104 kg.I'm not sure if he's 113kg, but he did look pretty big in the NPC, just as big as Akira it seemed. I was surprised how big he got, as he looked like a twig early last year.
I thought he looked real good in his cameos for Auckland. Won the gain line with and without the ball, and he has a high motor.
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@duluth 3rd string front row depth is so important. More often than not one will be injured so 3rd choices will often be in the match day 23. I see both Tamoietea and Salmon as inexperience risks. Salmon was not even in Tasmans squad only came in for 6 games when they had two in the all blacks and two others injured. Hopefully they have inside oil on his potential. Also hope they can make some gains with Tamoietea's fitness and body shape like they did with Nematahi Waa when he was in the squad.
@daffy-jaffy said in Blues 2018:
Also hope they can make some gains with Tamoietea's fitness
..and Mafileo's fitness
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@daffy-jaffy said in Blues 2018:
I don't get the props? Apparently Salmon is a tight head which means we have 4 tight heads and 2 loose? Maybe Salmon can play both?.. It would be a shame to expect Tu'ungafaasi to switch when he is just starting to fulfill his promise at tight head. Unless that is in the AB selectors plans for him
This is even more concerning than Kirkpatrick
I can't find any record of Mafileo, Salmon & Tamoaieta ever playing LH. So Umaga will convert one of these guys to cover both sides or screw up Ofa's progress
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@crucial Whatever other qualities he has, Umaga has made a lot of poor selections over the last two years. He normally takes half a season to settle on a decent XV.
@tim said in Blues 2018:
@crucial Whatever other qualities he has, Umaga has made a lot of poor selections over the last two years. He normally takes half a season to settle on a decent XV.
What has that to do with a squad selection at late notice to cover an injury? Who is the other available 10 you would rather have?
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@tim said in Blues 2018:
@crucial Whatever other qualities he has, Umaga has made a lot of poor selections over the last two years. He normally takes half a season to settle on a decent XV.
What has that to do with a squad selection at late notice to cover an injury? Who is the other available 10 you would rather have?
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@stargazer said in Blues 2018:
You'll find out soon why they didn't sign MMac ...
Why can't we know now?
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@duluth When Salmon was on the Ta$man reserve bench, Halanukonuka was on the bench too. IIRC, Halanukonuka is a specialist tighthead prop, so maybe Salmon switched to loosehead?
@tim said in Blues 2018:
@duluth When Salmon was on the Ta$man reserve bench, Halanukonuka was on the bench too. IIRC, Halanukonuka is a specialist tighthead prop, so maybe Salmon switched to loosehead?
Halanukonuka plays both sides
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@steven-harris said in Blues 2018:
Totally agree regarding Kirkpatrick,bloody average,we let Ihaia West go for this cart horse..?,would have taken Jade Te Rure from the Turbos,even Turbo fans have told me he's better than Otere Black..!
And who the hell is Isaac Salmon..?..Seriously? I didn't realise Blues fans were such whinge bags.
All we ever hear is that not enough is done by the Blues to lure a 10 into the setup. They have grabbed Perofeta before anyone else did and talked Black into moving as well. It isn't Umagas fault that Black got badly injured after signing.
I do agree that Kirkpatrick isn't the goods but he is there as a the stand in number three choice and is at least experienced.Pleased to see Caleb Clark in the squad...looked really impressive in the U20 RWC and looked a stound out.
Hope he doesn't do a Tevita Li for the Blues after watching his similar standout games in U20s, only to have exceptionally average games in Super rugby for the Blues. -
@crucial It indicates that his selections are questionable, which is completely obvious from what I wrote.
Beaver, Te Rure, and Marty MacKenzie are all better. I'd rather have Plummer too.
@tim said in Blues 2018:
@crucial It indicates that his selections are questionable, which is completely obvious from what I wrote.
Beaver, Te Rure, and Marty MacKenzie are all better. I'd rather have Plummer too.
Experience is light already, having Plummer in there would be very risky. MMac is on a par with Kirkpatrick. His training gear all comes from journeymen'R'us.
I suspect that Beaver has something more lucrative lined up and would rather play a last season or two than be a dirty dirty. Te Rure also not experienced enough.
I am guessing that the thought is to get someone that is going to get you through a couple of games if absolutely necessary. -
stoked for Tamati Tua, is a very good prospect, shame he was injured so early as the mid-field of him and Goodhue was so promising.
Has bulked up this season (after WTG for Blues and NZ U20) but also seems to have added a little pace to his game too...love stories of these kids who rise through the ranks given in 2015 he was playing club rugby in Kaitaia as a teen!
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Hasn't Te Rure just come back from a professional contract up your way Crucial. I know I saw him and Otere Black play for Manawatu against Wellington in pre-season match at the Hutt Rec about four years ago and he looked the better of the two then. Jamie Booth also played that day and also impressed me. Sadly he (Booth) has not really kicked in nor had the breaks others have had. He remains a decent player though and could still get his chance sometime.
