Blues 2018
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@dice said in Blues 2018:
Papali'i ticks all the boxes for the backrow bench role. He plays all the backrow positions and is a good line-out option.
I didn't realise that he was 113kg. In that case, he should be a good option at 6 and 8 too. There's a big discrepancy between his Auckland and Blues stats though ...
Blues: 193 cm, 113 kg.
Auckland: 190 cm, 104 kg.@tim said in Blues 2018:
@dice said in Blues 2018:
Papali'i ticks all the boxes for the backrow bench role. He plays all the backrow positions and is a good line-out option.
I didn't realise that he was 113kg. In that case, he should be a good option at 6 and 8 too. There's a big discrepancy between his Auckland and Blues stats though ...
Blues: 193 cm, 113 kg.
Auckland: 190 cm, 104 kg.I'm not sure if he's 113kg, but he did look pretty big in the NPC, just as big as Akira it seemed. I was surprised how big he got, as he looked like a twig early last year.
I thought he looked real good in his cameos for Auckland. Won the gain line with and without the ball, and he has a high motor.
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@duluth 3rd string front row depth is so important. More often than not one will be injured so 3rd choices will often be in the match day 23. I see both Tamoietea and Salmon as inexperience risks. Salmon was not even in Tasmans squad only came in for 6 games when they had two in the all blacks and two others injured. Hopefully they have inside oil on his potential. Also hope they can make some gains with Tamoietea's fitness and body shape like they did with Nematahi Waa when he was in the squad.
@daffy-jaffy said in Blues 2018:
Also hope they can make some gains with Tamoietea's fitness
..and Mafileo's fitness
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@daffy-jaffy said in Blues 2018:
I don't get the props? Apparently Salmon is a tight head which means we have 4 tight heads and 2 loose? Maybe Salmon can play both?.. It would be a shame to expect Tu'ungafaasi to switch when he is just starting to fulfill his promise at tight head. Unless that is in the AB selectors plans for him
This is even more concerning than Kirkpatrick
I can't find any record of Mafileo, Salmon & Tamoaieta ever playing LH. So Umaga will convert one of these guys to cover both sides or screw up Ofa's progress
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@crucial Whatever other qualities he has, Umaga has made a lot of poor selections over the last two years. He normally takes half a season to settle on a decent XV.
@tim said in Blues 2018:
@crucial Whatever other qualities he has, Umaga has made a lot of poor selections over the last two years. He normally takes half a season to settle on a decent XV.
What has that to do with a squad selection at late notice to cover an injury? Who is the other available 10 you would rather have?
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@tim said in Blues 2018:
@crucial Whatever other qualities he has, Umaga has made a lot of poor selections over the last two years. He normally takes half a season to settle on a decent XV.
What has that to do with a squad selection at late notice to cover an injury? Who is the other available 10 you would rather have?
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@stargazer said in Blues 2018:
You'll find out soon why they didn't sign MMac ...
Why can't we know now?
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@duluth When Salmon was on the Ta$man reserve bench, Halanukonuka was on the bench too. IIRC, Halanukonuka is a specialist tighthead prop, so maybe Salmon switched to loosehead?
@tim said in Blues 2018:
@duluth When Salmon was on the Ta$man reserve bench, Halanukonuka was on the bench too. IIRC, Halanukonuka is a specialist tighthead prop, so maybe Salmon switched to loosehead?
Halanukonuka plays both sides
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@steven-harris said in Blues 2018:
Totally agree regarding Kirkpatrick,bloody average,we let Ihaia West go for this cart horse..?,would have taken Jade Te Rure from the Turbos,even Turbo fans have told me he's better than Otere Black..!
And who the hell is Isaac Salmon..?..Seriously? I didn't realise Blues fans were such whinge bags.
All we ever hear is that not enough is done by the Blues to lure a 10 into the setup. They have grabbed Perofeta before anyone else did and talked Black into moving as well. It isn't Umagas fault that Black got badly injured after signing.
I do agree that Kirkpatrick isn't the goods but he is there as a the stand in number three choice and is at least experienced.Pleased to see Caleb Clark in the squad...looked really impressive in the U20 RWC and looked a stound out.
Hope he doesn't do a Tevita Li for the Blues after watching his similar standout games in U20s, only to have exceptionally average games in Super rugby for the Blues. -
@crucial It indicates that his selections are questionable, which is completely obvious from what I wrote.
Beaver, Te Rure, and Marty MacKenzie are all better. I'd rather have Plummer too.
@tim said in Blues 2018:
@crucial It indicates that his selections are questionable, which is completely obvious from what I wrote.
Beaver, Te Rure, and Marty MacKenzie are all better. I'd rather have Plummer too.
Experience is light already, having Plummer in there would be very risky. MMac is on a par with Kirkpatrick. His training gear all comes from journeymen'R'us.
I suspect that Beaver has something more lucrative lined up and would rather play a last season or two than be a dirty dirty. Te Rure also not experienced enough.
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stoked for Tamati Tua, is a very good prospect, shame he was injured so early as the mid-field of him and Goodhue was so promising.
Has bulked up this season (after WTG for Blues and NZ U20) but also seems to have added a little pace to his game too...love stories of these kids who rise through the ranks given in 2015 he was playing club rugby in Kaitaia as a teen!
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Hasn't Te Rure just come back from a professional contract up your way Crucial. I know I saw him and Otere Black play for Manawatu against Wellington in pre-season match at the Hutt Rec about four years ago and he looked the better of the two then. Jamie Booth also played that day and also impressed me. Sadly he (Booth) has not really kicked in nor had the breaks others have had. He remains a decent player though and could still get his chance sometime.
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Hasn't Te Rure just come back from a professional contract up your way Crucial. I know I saw him and Otere Black play for Manawatu against Wellington in pre-season match at the Hutt Rec about four years ago and he looked the better of the two then. Jamie Booth also played that day and also impressed me. Sadly he (Booth) has not really kicked in nor had the breaks others have had. He remains a decent player though and could still get his chance sometime.
@higgins said in Blues 2018:
Hasn't Te Rure just come back from a professional contract up your way Crucial. I know I saw him and Otere Black play for Manawatu against Wellington in pre-season match at the Hutt Rec about four years ago and he looked the better of the two then. Jamie Booth also played that day and also impressed me. Sadly he has not really kicked in nor had the breaks others have had.
You could well be right about Te Rure. The debate is getting away from my original point which was commenting on whinging about letting West go for Kirkpatrick when quite obviously a lot of effort has been going into first five recruitment only for it to come adrift through injury.
Taking a lowly third spot on basic salary is not the right path for talking a good player in e.g. Beaver can do better in Japan. Te Rure may want to hold out one more year and try and crack something better. -
Hasn't Te Rure just come back from a professional contract up your way Crucial. I know I saw him and Otere Black play for Manawatu against Wellington in pre-season match at the Hutt Rec about four years ago and he looked the better of the two then. Jamie Booth also played that day and also impressed me. Sadly he (Booth) has not really kicked in nor had the breaks others have had. He remains a decent player though and could still get his chance sometime.
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@higgins said in Blues 2018:
Hasn't Te Rure just come back from a professional contract up your way Crucial. I know I saw him and Otere Black play for Manawatu against Wellington in pre-season match at the Hutt Rec about four years ago and he looked the better of the two then. Jamie Booth also played that day and also impressed me. Sadly he has not really kicked in nor had the breaks others have had.
You could well be right about Te Rure. The debate is getting away from my original point which was commenting on whinging about letting West go for Kirkpatrick when quite obviously a lot of effort has been going into first five recruitment only for it to come adrift through injury.
Taking a lowly third spot on basic salary is not the right path for talking a good player in e.g. Beaver can do better in Japan. Te Rure may want to hold out one more year and try and crack something better.@crucial As a paying customer since 1996 and having seen a decade of poor selection and recruitment from the Blues organisation,I think I reserve the right to whinge..!
I could write a book about the poor recruitment decisions this organisation has made.
In my opinion,Kirkpatricks ceiling is Mitre 10 cup,although given Garden Bachop turned out to be Lions starting first five,I do wonder..!
This same organisation back in 2009 picked Toby Morland who was the 2nd string halfback at Otago for the Blues.
Sitting in the Wider training squad was Aaron Smith,oh by the way,he was totally inexperienced...!.
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@crucial As a paying customer since 1996 and having seen a decade of poor selection and recruitment from the Blues organisation,I think I reserve the right to whinge..!
I could write a book about the poor recruitment decisions this organisation has made.
In my opinion,Kirkpatricks ceiling is Mitre 10 cup,although given Garden Bachop turned out to be Lions starting first five,I do wonder..!
This same organisation back in 2009 picked Toby Morland who was the 2nd string halfback at Otago for the Blues.
Sitting in the Wider training squad was Aaron Smith,oh by the way,he was totally inexperienced...!.
But I guess we know how that turned out...!I'm always keen to criticise the poor selection by the Blues but i'm not going to bash them here for Kirkpatrick.
He is clearly a stop-gap with Otere Black returning next season and Harry Plummer potentially ready for a Super Rugby spot after 12 months of development.
In a years time the Blues will have options at 10 of Black, Perofeta, Gatland and probably Plummer (Gatland is on a one year deal so may or may not be around in 2019). That's about as good of a situation at number 10 for the Blues in a very very long time. I'm not buying that Te Rure (who no one has ever selected at Super Rugby level) is the answer.
Usually there are some glaring poor non-selections by the Blues (Fatialofa, Seu, Aso, Alaimalo etc etc) but this year I can't see one jumping out. The closest would be Vaega but he's been around the traps for a while and has been more there or thereabouts rather than a star.
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I'm always keen to criticise the poor selection by the Blues but i'm not going to bash them here for Kirkpatrick.
He is clearly a stop-gap with Otere Black returning next season and Harry Plummer potentially ready for a Super Rugby spot after 12 months of development.
In a years time the Blues will have options at 10 of Black, Perofeta, Gatland and probably Plummer (Gatland is on a one year deal so may or may not be around in 2019). That's about as good of a situation at number 10 for the Blues in a very very long time. I'm not buying that Te Rure (who no one has ever selected at Super Rugby level) is the answer.
Usually there are some glaring poor non-selections by the Blues (Fatialofa, Seu, Aso, Alaimalo etc etc) but this year I can't see one jumping out. The closest would be Vaega but he's been around the traps for a while and has been more there or thereabouts rather than a star.
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I'm always keen to criticise the poor selection by the Blues but i'm not going to bash them here for Kirkpatrick.
He is clearly a stop-gap with Otere Black returning next season and Harry Plummer potentially ready for a Super Rugby spot after 12 months of development.
In a years time the Blues will have options at 10 of Black, Perofeta, Gatland and probably Plummer (Gatland is on a one year deal so may or may not be around in 2019). That's about as good of a situation at number 10 for the Blues in a very very long time. I'm not buying that Te Rure (who no one has ever selected at Super Rugby level) is the answer.
Usually there are some glaring poor non-selections by the Blues (Fatialofa, Seu, Aso, Alaimalo etc etc) but this year I can't see one jumping out. The closest would be Vaega but he's been around the traps for a while and has been more there or thereabouts rather than a star.
@kiwimurph This year, rather than being about recruiting "name" players, it's really about the younger Blues stepping up.
Hodgman (24) was one of the best props in the NPC, and could be an All Black. Ofa T (25) has made big steps, but needs to show regular set piece form. Tuipulotu (24) is back in the ABs, but needs to show consistent form. We all know about Akira Ioane (22), if he continues maturing then he could dominant week in, week out. Goodhue (22) needs to show consistent set piece ability, and demand minutes. It must be make or break for him this year.
In the backs, the obvious one is Nock (21) - can he show a commanding streak, and a running game? He hasn't so far. Big years from Faiane (22), and Nanai (24) would really make a difference to a team that had a lot of narrow losses.
It really is a young team.
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@tim Sure - but he hasnt been picked up by anyone else - he's been in the Blues for 3 years so they know him well - they've essentially selected Tua over him - Tua has come through the Blues development team so they know him well too.
