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Blues 2018

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  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

    I'm always keen to criticise the poor selection by the Blues but i'm not going to bash them here for Kirkpatrick.

    He is clearly a stop-gap with Otere Black returning next season and Harry Plummer potentially ready for a Super Rugby spot after 12 months of development.

    In a years time the Blues will have options at 10 of Black, Perofeta, Gatland and probably Plummer (Gatland is on a one year deal so may or may not be around in 2019). That's about as good of a situation at number 10 for the Blues in a very very long time. I'm not buying that Te Rure (who no one has ever selected at Super Rugby level) is the answer.

    Usually there are some glaring poor non-selections by the Blues (Fatialofa, Seu, Aso, Alaimalo etc etc) but this year I can't see one jumping out. The closest would be Vaega but he's been around the traps for a while and has been more there or thereabouts rather than a star.

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    @kiwimurph said in Blues 2018:

    Vaega

    He's only just turned 23, so not exactly a veteran.

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      @kiwimurph said in Blues 2018:

      Vaega

      He's only just turned 23, so not exactly a veteran.

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      @tim Sure - but he hasnt been picked up by anyone else - he's been in the Blues for 3 years so they know him well - they've essentially selected Tua over him - Tua has come through the Blues development team so they know him well too.

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      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

        I'm always keen to criticise the poor selection by the Blues but i'm not going to bash them here for Kirkpatrick.

        He is clearly a stop-gap with Otere Black returning next season and Harry Plummer potentially ready for a Super Rugby spot after 12 months of development.

        In a years time the Blues will have options at 10 of Black, Perofeta, Gatland and probably Plummer (Gatland is on a one year deal so may or may not be around in 2019). That's about as good of a situation at number 10 for the Blues in a very very long time. I'm not buying that Te Rure (who no one has ever selected at Super Rugby level) is the answer.

        Usually there are some glaring poor non-selections by the Blues (Fatialofa, Seu, Aso, Alaimalo etc etc) but this year I can't see one jumping out. The closest would be Vaega but he's been around the traps for a while and has been more there or thereabouts rather than a star.

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        @kiwimurph This year, rather than being about recruiting "name" players, it's really about the younger Blues stepping up.

        Hodgman (24) was one of the best props in the NPC, and could be an All Black. Ofa T (25) has made big steps, but needs to show regular set piece form. Tuipulotu (24) is back in the ABs, but needs to show consistent form. We all know about Akira Ioane (22), if he continues maturing then he could dominant week in, week out. Goodhue (22) needs to show consistent set piece ability, and demand minutes. It must be make or break for him this year.

        In the backs, the obvious one is Nock (21) - can he show a commanding streak, and a running game? He hasn't so far. Big years from Faiane (22), and Nanai (24) would really make a difference to a team that had a lot of narrow losses.

        It really is a young team.

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        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

          @tim Sure - but he hasnt been picked up by anyone else - he's been in the Blues for 3 years so they know him well - they've essentially selected Tua over him - Tua has come through the Blues development team so they know him well too.

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          @kiwimurph Well, I suspect that Matty Johnson was picked over him. It's telling that no one else picked him, but given how well the Harbour backline went, it's a bit surprising.

          Would you take Moala over him?

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            @kiwimurph Well, I suspect that Matty Johnson was picked over him. It's telling that no one else picked him, but given how well the Harbour backline went, it's a bit surprising.

            Would you take Moala over him?

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            @tim Agreed on the youngsters growing.

            I think they need some strong leadership. They need the likes of Tuipulotu, Ofa, Scrafton in the forwards, Pulu, SBW and Duffie in the backs - to help Kaino and Parsons with the leadership - on and off the field.

            I'm realistic - I expect another season just like the last two under Tana - but at least this season they have a real talent at 10 - and that's exciting.

            Yes Moala is an interesting case - as some of the suggested 23s above note, I'd like to see him have a bench role where he can come off the pine and provide some impact. He's not quick enough for a winger but he doesn't have the distribution (vision or skills) for midfield. I'm hoping he gets pushed by the other midfielders for game time but not that confident in Tana to get the mix right.

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            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

              @tim Agreed on the youngsters growing.

              I think they need some strong leadership. They need the likes of Tuipulotu, Ofa, Scrafton in the forwards, Pulu, SBW and Duffie in the backs - to help Kaino and Parsons with the leadership - on and off the field.

              I'm realistic - I expect another season just like the last two under Tana - but at least this season they have a real talent at 10 - and that's exciting.

              Yes Moala is an interesting case - as some of the suggested 23s above note, I'd like to see him have a bench role where he can come off the pine and provide some impact. He's not quick enough for a winger but he doesn't have the distribution (vision or skills) for midfield. I'm hoping he gets pushed by the other midfielders for game time but not that confident in Tana to get the mix right.

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              @kiwimurph If he can't make the playoffs, and finish 4th or higher in the NZ conference, then he will rightly be fired. Three years is plenty of time to put together a decent team. All future coaches must have a big win under their belt before applying.

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                @kiwimurph If he can't make the playoffs, and finish 4th or higher in the NZ conference, then he will rightly be fired. Three years is plenty of time to put together a decent team. All future coaches must have a big win under their belt before applying.

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                @tim I doubt Tana will get fired unless the Blues have a nightmare season - he'll get a pass cos his big signing at 10 Otere is injured.

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                  @kiwimurph If he can't make the playoffs, and finish 4th or higher in the NZ conference, then he will rightly be fired. Three years is plenty of time to put together a decent team. All future coaches must have a big win under their belt before applying.

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                  @tim Normally I'd say that's tough given the dog squads the Blues can pull together these days, but I think that the Chiefs and Highlanders have a drop off in squad strength which makes top 4 a realistic goal for the Blues.

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                    @tim Normally I'd say that's tough given the dog squads the Blues can pull together these days, but I think that the Chiefs and Highlanders have a drop off in squad strength which makes top 4 a realistic goal for the Blues.

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                    @nepia Auckland's issues might have been a mitigating factor, but North Harbour and Northland have had a renaissance. Also compare to the success of the Hurricanes vs. Wellington, Highlanders vs Otago, and Chiefs vs Waikato.

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                    • TimT Tim

                      @kiwimurph If he can't make the playoffs, and finish 4th or higher in the NZ conference, then he will rightly be fired. Three years is plenty of time to put together a decent team. All future coaches must have a big win under their belt before applying.

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                      @tim I think Tana will be given plenty of latitude, not least because the Blues will be looking at stability given the chopping and changing of coaches over recent years, barring a major capitulation (losing to Sunwolves again...) and finishing in the bottom few, I cant see him getting the flick.

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                      • C cgrant

                        @tim said in Blues 2018:

                        Likely XXIII:

                        1. Hodgman
                        2. Parsons
                        3. Tu'ungafasi
                        4. Tuipulotu
                        5. Scrafton
                        6. Kaino
                        7. Gibson
                        8. Ioane
                        9. Pulu
                        10. Perofeta
                          -- now the speculation starts --
                        11. Ioane
                        12. Faiane
                        13. SBW
                        14. Nanai
                        15. Duffie
                          -- reserves are more predictable --
                        16. Moulds
                        17. Manu
                        18. Tamoaieta
                        19. Cowley-Tuioti
                        20. Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
                        21. Nock
                        22. Gatland
                        23. Moala

                        Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.

                        I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.

                        Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.

                        Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.

                        Tana Umaga will surely include Collins somewhere.

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                        @cgrant said in Blues 2018:

                        @tim said in Blues 2018:

                        Likely XXIII:

                        1. Hodgman
                        2. Parsons
                        3. Tu'ungafasi
                        4. Tuipulotu
                        5. Scrafton
                        6. Kaino
                        7. Gibson
                        8. Ioane
                        9. Pulu
                        10. Perofeta
                          -- now the speculation starts --
                        11. Ioane
                        12. Faiane
                        13. SBW
                        14. Nanai
                        15. Duffie
                          -- reserves are more predictable --
                        16. Moulds
                        17. Manu
                        18. Tamoaieta
                        19. Cowley-Tuioti
                        20. Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
                        21. Nock
                        22. Gatland
                        23. Moala

                        Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.

                        I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.

                        Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.

                        Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.

                        Tana Umaga will surely include Collins somewhere.

                        Yup. With Collins in there, I would go with:

                        1. Nanai
                        2. SBW
                        3. Ioane
                        4. Duffie
                        5. Collins

                        Hopefully Collins will improve like Duffie.

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                          Maybe the selectors see in Ofa T a LHP rather than a THP as the cupboard is rather bare on the left side of the scrum (Moody, Hames and an ageing Crockett) while there are best THP than him (Franks, Laulala with Moli and Fidow developping well).
                          Hodgman should have a great year and I expect him to make the ABs very soon.
                          Salmon is a good prospect. He did well when Ta$man had their first choice THP injured. He's far more athletic than Tamoaieta and Mafileo who don't look suited to the rythm of SR.

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                            Reserve judgement on the last two until you see what training full time in a professional environment under close supervision by the trainers can do. You can see the super players are a fair way ahead fitness and physique-wise of the standard Mitre10 Cup players during that competition so give them a chance please.

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                              Ofa will be valuable to the ABs if he keeps a shoulder on both sides of the scrum.
                              RWC squads love a versatile prop that can get you through a pool game without calling for a replacement over a short term injury.

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                                King Carlos returns!
                                Carlos Spencer will play in the Brisbane 10's as the Blues wild card selection.

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                                  http://theblues.co.nz/blues-train-future-prospects/#

                                  Blues assistant coaches Al Rogers and Dave Ellis delivered skills coaching before the players received positional coaching from former Blues Slade McFarland (#58), Eroni Clarke (#13), Aukusitino Junior Poluleuligaga (#135) and expert coaches Ben Afeaki, Steven Bates, Al Rogers and Daniel Halangahu.

                                  Good to see Ben Afeaki back involved with rugby. Steven Bates works with the Harbour U19 team (as a "Technocal Advisor" according to his linkedin page). Harbour finished 3rd at the Jock Hobbs tournament.

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                                    #153

                                    Scott Stevenson and Mils talk to James Parsons (recovering from shoulder surgery) on Rugby Pass's podcast.

                                    https://www.podbean.com/site/EpisodeDownload/PB7DB96D86TQE

                                    Some interesting stuff about team culture at the Blues there. That loss to the Crusaders still hurts.

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                                      Scott Stevenson and Mils talk to James Parsons (recovering from shoulder surgery) on Rugby Pass's podcast.

                                      https://www.podbean.com/site/EpisodeDownload/PB7DB96D86TQE

                                      Some interesting stuff about team culture at the Blues there. That loss to the Crusaders still hurts.

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                                      @tim heard the Auckland Mitre 10 cup head coaching job which was supposed to be announced a couple of weeks back has been put on hold due to Auckland Rugby conducting a full audit across the whole organisation.
                                      Apparently along with Nick White,Assistant Bevan Cadwallander and team Manager Lewis McLintock from this years management have all been gased.

                                      I had heard that former All Black,Canterbury & Crusaders prop Dave Hewitt had applied for the job.
                                      Would not be bad option in my opinion,might bring some ethic from the Saders region.

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                                        @tim heard the Auckland Mitre 10 cup head coaching job which was supposed to be announced a couple of weeks back has been put on hold due to Auckland Rugby conducting a full audit across the whole organisation.
                                        Apparently along with Nick White,Assistant Bevan Cadwallander and team Manager Lewis McLintock from this years management have all been gased.

                                        I had heard that former All Black,Canterbury & Crusaders prop Dave Hewitt had applied for the job.
                                        Would not be bad option in my opinion,might bring some ethic from the Saders region.

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                                        @steven-harris Wow. Hope they can make an announcement soon.

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                                          @tim heard the Auckland Mitre 10 cup head coaching job which was supposed to be announced a couple of weeks back has been put on hold due to Auckland Rugby conducting a full audit across the whole organisation.
                                          Apparently along with Nick White,Assistant Bevan Cadwallander and team Manager Lewis McLintock from this years management have all been gased.

                                          I had heard that former All Black,Canterbury & Crusaders prop Dave Hewitt had applied for the job.
                                          Would not be bad option in my opinion,might bring some ethic from the Saders region.

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                                          @steven-harris That's interesting. Dave Hewitt is now the interim head coach of the Canadian national team.

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