AB Positions up for grabs
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Dont you thik that the best NZ coaches now are all overseas? Umaga, Boyd (soon gone), Cooper, Mauger, robertson dont actually measure up to Schmidt, Gatland, Rennie, Cotter in my eyes
@dagrubster He might be young but Robertson has done nothing but win so far (Canterbury, NZU20s, Crusaders).
Also Plumtree seems to be the real coach behind the Canes rather than Boyd.
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@dagrubster but where did those coaches cut their teeth before going overseas?
NZ of course, but that is not the question. Where are the top 3 NZ club/franchis coaches currently based in the world?
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@dagrubster said in AB Positions up for grabs:
Dont you thik that the best NZ coaches now are all overseas? Umaga, Boyd (soon gone), Cooper, Mauger, robertson dont actually measure up to Schmidt, Gatland, Rennie, Cotter in my eyes
Pretty harsh on Razor, his record suggests otherwise.
He Brad Mooar are 2 of the most exciting young coaches I've seen in years.
Dont think so sammy, Razor is looking a great coach but can he match the CV of Rennie, Gatland, Schmidt or Cotter? Not yet mate....
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@dagrubster He might be young but Robertson has done nothing but win so far (Canterbury, NZU20s, Crusaders).
Also Plumtree seems to be the real coach behind the Canes rather than Boyd.
@kiwimurph thats why they made him assistant coach Murph!
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NZ of course, but that is not the question. Where are the top 3 NZ club/franchis coaches currently based in the world?
@dagrubster not sure what your point is, at that top level, very limited jobs available, and with the ABs success rate, the template for succession seems sound, whether you agree or not.
All of them aren't gonna come back to NZ to coach Super rugby, for the most part it will be a step back, and def down in terms of $$$.
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@dagrubster said in AB Positions up for grabs:
Dont you thik that the best NZ coaches now are all overseas? Umaga, Boyd (soon gone), Cooper, Mauger, robertson dont actually measure up to Schmidt, Gatland, Rennie, Cotter in my eyes
Pretty harsh on Razor, his record suggests otherwise.
He Brad Mooar are 2 of the most exciting young coaches I've seen in years.
@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
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@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
yea, lets get a Super Rugby winning coach to step back and coach a park football side, reeeeaaaal clever
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@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
yea, lets get a Super Rugby winning coach to step back and coach a park football side, reeeeaaaal clever
@mariner4life said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
yea, lets get a Super Rugby winning coach to step back and coach a park football side, reeeeaaaal clever
Hey, I just want to ensure that our coaches are the best prepared they can be, going through a bit of adversity at a lower level will help them deal with it at higher levels - I wouldn't mind if he returned home to that other Bay either. Either that or he could coach the Blues for a couple of years.
On a serious note, I'm pretty sure that Rennie's time building the Poo into a reasonable team helped mould his style at the higher level.
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I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
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@dagrubster not sure what your point is, at that top level, very limited jobs available, and with the ABs success rate, the template for succession seems sound, whether you agree or not.
All of them aren't gonna come back to NZ to coach Super rugby, for the most part it will be a step back, and def down in terms of $$$.
they dont need to be coaching at super level to be considered for AB coach roel anymore.
Thats what Tew has said I beleive.
Anyway, point is we have got to a point where our coaches in NZ are not as good as our coaches overseas.
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I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
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@hooroo lime rennie was? will robertson have to go overseasto be considered ready for the AB's?
@dagrubster said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@hooroo lime rennie was? will robertson have to go overseasto be considered ready for the AB's?
Sorry, what? I don't get what you mean? I'm saying the Razor is doing the right things to be a future AB coach
EDIT! Like Rennie was. I see what you are saying. I'm just saying Razor is doing what I would like to see an AB coach doing in terms of [progress
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@dagrubster said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@hooroo lime rennie was? will robertson have to go overseasto be considered ready for the AB's?
Sorry, what? I don't get what you mean? I'm saying the Razor is doing the right things to be a future AB coach
EDIT! Like Rennie was. I see what you are saying. I'm just saying Razor is doing what I would like to see an AB coach doing in terms of [progress
@hooroo Yes, I agree he is.
Will he have to coach overseas beforehand as it seems that is a requirement to coach the ABS though?
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I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
@hooroo said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
FFS people, I wasn't serious ... I even put one of those smiley things at the end. Like this ;).
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@hooroo said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
FFS people, I wasn't serious ... I even put one of those smiley things at the end. Like this ;).
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@hooroo said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
FFS people, I wasn't serious ... I even put one of those smiley things at the end. Like this ;).
Dick!
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@hooroo said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
FFS people, I wasn't serious ... I even put one of those smiley things at the end. Like this ;).
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@hooroo said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
FFS people, I wasn't serious ... I even put one of those smiley things at the end. Like this ;).
we were all pretty sure that was the case, but history tells us you Hawkes Bay blokes are pretty earnest about your quaint little backwater province
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@dagrubster said in AB Positions up for grabs:
Dont you thik that the best NZ coaches now are all overseas? Umaga, Boyd (soon gone), Cooper, Mauger, robertson dont actually measure up to Schmidt, Gatland, Rennie, Cotter in my eyes
Pretty harsh on Razor, his record suggests otherwise.
He Brad Mooar are 2 of the most exciting young coaches I've seen in years.
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@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
@bovidae said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
He Brad Mooar are 2 of the most exciting young coaches I've seen in years.
Mooar wasn't a success in Southland, proving you still need the cattle.
Both Razor and Mooar have had considerable success at club level. Razor in particular rescued the sumner club from an almost impossible position (they almost folded completely) and has turned them into one of the more successful clubs in Christchurch both financially and on the field.
This is a pretty big endorsement of Mooar also (he's the only rugby coach on this list I think)
https://www.hpsnz.org.nz/news-events/hpsnz-announce-latest-intake-acclaimed-coach-accelerator-programme -
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
@bovidae said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
He Brad Mooar are 2 of the most exciting young coaches I've seen in years.
Mooar wasn't a success in Southland, proving you still need the cattle.
Both Razor and Mooar have had considerable success at club level. Razor in particular rescued the sumner club from an almost impossible position (they almost folded completely) and has turned them into one of the more successful clubs in Christchurch both financially and on the field.
This is a pretty big endorsement of Mooar also (he's the only rugby coach on this list I think)
https://www.hpsnz.org.nz/news-events/hpsnz-announce-latest-intake-acclaimed-coach-accelerator-programme@sammyc hmm Don't know inclusion on a list of coaches for an accelerator programme says a lot about anything other than KPSNZ when the list includes someone who has already coached for 28 years, has coached multiple Olympic medal winner and is two time Halberg coach of the year
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Dont you thik that the best NZ coaches now are all overseas? Umaga, Boyd (soon gone), Cooper, Mauger, robertson dont actually measure up to Schmidt, Gatland, Rennie, Cotter in my eyes
@dagrubster
You can add Joseph to this list. Mannix is doing a good job at Pau as well.
