AB Positions up for grabs
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@dagrubster He might be young but Robertson has done nothing but win so far (Canterbury, NZU20s, Crusaders).
Also Plumtree seems to be the real coach behind the Canes rather than Boyd.
@kiwimurph thats why they made him assistant coach Murph!
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NZ of course, but that is not the question. Where are the top 3 NZ club/franchis coaches currently based in the world?
@dagrubster not sure what your point is, at that top level, very limited jobs available, and with the ABs success rate, the template for succession seems sound, whether you agree or not.
All of them aren't gonna come back to NZ to coach Super rugby, for the most part it will be a step back, and def down in terms of $$$.
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@dagrubster said in AB Positions up for grabs:
Dont you thik that the best NZ coaches now are all overseas? Umaga, Boyd (soon gone), Cooper, Mauger, robertson dont actually measure up to Schmidt, Gatland, Rennie, Cotter in my eyes
Pretty harsh on Razor, his record suggests otherwise.
He Brad Mooar are 2 of the most exciting young coaches I've seen in years.
@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
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@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
yea, lets get a Super Rugby winning coach to step back and coach a park football side, reeeeaaaal clever
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@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
yea, lets get a Super Rugby winning coach to step back and coach a park football side, reeeeaaaal clever
@mariner4life said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
yea, lets get a Super Rugby winning coach to step back and coach a park football side, reeeeaaaal clever
Hey, I just want to ensure that our coaches are the best prepared they can be, going through a bit of adversity at a lower level will help them deal with it at higher levels - I wouldn't mind if he returned home to that other Bay either. Either that or he could coach the Blues for a couple of years.
On a serious note, I'm pretty sure that Rennie's time building the Poo into a reasonable team helped mould his style at the higher level.
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I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
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@dagrubster not sure what your point is, at that top level, very limited jobs available, and with the ABs success rate, the template for succession seems sound, whether you agree or not.
All of them aren't gonna come back to NZ to coach Super rugby, for the most part it will be a step back, and def down in terms of $$$.
they dont need to be coaching at super level to be considered for AB coach roel anymore.
Thats what Tew has said I beleive.
Anyway, point is we have got to a point where our coaches in NZ are not as good as our coaches overseas.
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I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
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@hooroo lime rennie was? will robertson have to go overseasto be considered ready for the AB's?
@dagrubster said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@hooroo lime rennie was? will robertson have to go overseasto be considered ready for the AB's?
Sorry, what? I don't get what you mean? I'm saying the Razor is doing the right things to be a future AB coach
EDIT! Like Rennie was. I see what you are saying. I'm just saying Razor is doing what I would like to see an AB coach doing in terms of [progress
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@dagrubster said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@hooroo lime rennie was? will robertson have to go overseasto be considered ready for the AB's?
Sorry, what? I don't get what you mean? I'm saying the Razor is doing the right things to be a future AB coach
EDIT! Like Rennie was. I see what you are saying. I'm just saying Razor is doing what I would like to see an AB coach doing in terms of [progress
@hooroo Yes, I agree he is.
Will he have to coach overseas beforehand as it seems that is a requirement to coach the ABS though?
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I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
@hooroo said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
FFS people, I wasn't serious ... I even put one of those smiley things at the end. Like this ;).
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@hooroo said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
FFS people, I wasn't serious ... I even put one of those smiley things at the end. Like this ;).
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@hooroo said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
FFS people, I wasn't serious ... I even put one of those smiley things at the end. Like this ;).
Dick!
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@hooroo said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
FFS people, I wasn't serious ... I even put one of those smiley things at the end. Like this ;).
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@hooroo said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
FFS people, I wasn't serious ... I even put one of those smiley things at the end. Like this ;).
we were all pretty sure that was the case, but history tells us you Hawkes Bay blokes are pretty earnest about your quaint little backwater province
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@dagrubster said in AB Positions up for grabs:
Dont you thik that the best NZ coaches now are all overseas? Umaga, Boyd (soon gone), Cooper, Mauger, robertson dont actually measure up to Schmidt, Gatland, Rennie, Cotter in my eyes
Pretty harsh on Razor, his record suggests otherwise.
He Brad Mooar are 2 of the most exciting young coaches I've seen in years.
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@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
@bovidae said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
He Brad Mooar are 2 of the most exciting young coaches I've seen in years.
Mooar wasn't a success in Southland, proving you still need the cattle.
Both Razor and Mooar have had considerable success at club level. Razor in particular rescued the sumner club from an almost impossible position (they almost folded completely) and has turned them into one of the more successful clubs in Christchurch both financially and on the field.
This is a pretty big endorsement of Mooar also (he's the only rugby coach on this list I think)
https://www.hpsnz.org.nz/news-events/hpsnz-announce-latest-intake-acclaimed-coach-accelerator-programme -
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
@bovidae said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
He Brad Mooar are 2 of the most exciting young coaches I've seen in years.
Mooar wasn't a success in Southland, proving you still need the cattle.
Both Razor and Mooar have had considerable success at club level. Razor in particular rescued the sumner club from an almost impossible position (they almost folded completely) and has turned them into one of the more successful clubs in Christchurch both financially and on the field.
This is a pretty big endorsement of Mooar also (he's the only rugby coach on this list I think)
https://www.hpsnz.org.nz/news-events/hpsnz-announce-latest-intake-acclaimed-coach-accelerator-programme@sammyc hmm Don't know inclusion on a list of coaches for an accelerator programme says a lot about anything other than KPSNZ when the list includes someone who has already coached for 28 years, has coached multiple Olympic medal winner and is two time Halberg coach of the year
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Dont you thik that the best NZ coaches now are all overseas? Umaga, Boyd (soon gone), Cooper, Mauger, robertson dont actually measure up to Schmidt, Gatland, Rennie, Cotter in my eyes
@dagrubster
You can add Joseph to this list. Mannix is doing a good job at Pau as well. -
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@hooroo said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
FFS people, I wasn't serious ... I even put one of those smiley things at the end. Like this ;).
we were all pretty sure that was the case, but history tells us you Hawkes Bay blokes are pretty earnest about your quaint little backwater province
@mariner4life said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@hooroo said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
FFS people, I wasn't serious ... I even put one of those smiley things at the end. Like this ;).
we were all pretty sure that was the case, but history tells us you Hawkes Bay blokes are pretty earnest about your quaint little backwater province
Especially if they're on TSF and their name is Nepia
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@dagrubster said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@hooroo lime rennie was? will robertson have to go overseasto be considered ready for the AB's?
Sorry, what? I don't get what you mean? I'm saying the Razor is doing the right things to be a future AB coach
EDIT! Like Rennie was. I see what you are saying. I'm just saying Razor is doing what I would like to see an AB coach doing in terms of [progress
@hooroo sorry hooroo, bad grammer on my part.
I agree Roberston has been bloody good and has surprised me with his success and is on course for higher honours.
I suppose the fact that the NZ coaching gig has been a closed shop for so long now that (Henry/Hansen = 16 years) that our coaches are looking for other opportunities which is why so many have left.
If Hansen does go after rwc2019 it will be a very interesting process to see unfold. I only hope that Foster isnt given the gig. He is not AB Head coach material.
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What AB positions are up for grabs this Super Rugby season?
Backup Loosehead Prop (and maybe starting prop if Moody takes a while to get back to full speed) - Moody is recovering from injury, Crockett is 35, and Hames was a fill in.
Contenders:
Tim Perry toured with the All Blacks, and will get a fair bit of game time with the Crusaders. Not dynamic around the park, good but not great in the scrum, probably only a stop-gap.
Lienert-Brown is a decent player who has been injured a lot - would need a big season.
Chris Eves is a quality all-rounder, but probably doesn't standout enough in any one area. Would be a stop-gap.
Hames will get plenty of game time at the Chiefs, but is a penalty magnet and his game outside of the scrum is lacking. Improved somewhat over the All Black season. At best a stop-gap.
Atu Moli is converting from tighthead, and would be unlikely to make the grade in his first year. Could be the surprise.
Alex Hodgman had a good season for Canterbury, is strong around the field, but needs to demonstrate that his scrummaging is up to it. Needs plenty of game time. Could be a break out year for him.
Pauliasi Manu has been in AB squads before, and is a strong scrummager, but has been injured a lot since 2015. Needs a an uninterrupted season to prove he has the workrate and effectiveness around the park.
Hopefully Ofa Tu'ungafasi will specialise at tighthead this year.
Hard to look past Moody and Crockett, but the ABs need to develop two more players who will be available for the 2019 WC.
@tim said in AB Positions up for grabs:
What AB positions are up for grabs this Super Rugby season?
Backup Loosehead Prop (and maybe starting prop if Moody takes a while to get back to full speed) - Moody is recovering from injury, Crockett is 35, and Hames was a fill in.
Contenders:
Tim Perry toured with the All Blacks, and will get a fair bit of game time with the Crusaders. Not dynamic around the park, good but not great in the scrum, probably only a stop-gap.
Lienert-Brown is a decent player who has been injured a lot - would need a big season.
Chris Eves is a quality all-rounder, but probably doesn't standout enough in any one area. Would be a stop-gap.
Hames will get plenty of game time at the Chiefs, but is a penalty magnet and his game outside of the scrum is lacking. Improved somewhat over the All Black season. At best a stop-gap.
Atu Moli is converting from tighthead, and would be unlikely to make the grade in his first year. Could be the surprise.
Alex Hodgman had a good season for Canterbury, is strong around the field, but needs to demonstrate that his scrummaging is up to it. Needs plenty of game time. Could be a break out year for him.
Pauliasi Manu has been in AB squads before, and is a strong scrummager, but has been injured a lot since 2015. Needs a an uninterrupted season to prove he has the workrate and effectiveness around the park.
Hopefully Ofa Tu'ungafasi will specialise at tighthead this year.
Hard to look past Moody and Crockett, but the ABs need to develop two more players who will be available for the 2019 WC.
From this list only Lienert-Brown, Eves, and Manu are fit and available.
Ofa Tu'ungafasi is the only available All Black prop at the moment.
