AB Positions up for grabs
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@dagrubster said in AB Positions up for grabs:
Dont you thik that the best NZ coaches now are all overseas? Umaga, Boyd (soon gone), Cooper, Mauger, robertson dont actually measure up to Schmidt, Gatland, Rennie, Cotter in my eyes
Pretty harsh on Razor, his record suggests otherwise.
He Brad Mooar are 2 of the most exciting young coaches I've seen in years.
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@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
@bovidae said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
He Brad Mooar are 2 of the most exciting young coaches I've seen in years.
Mooar wasn't a success in Southland, proving you still need the cattle.
Both Razor and Mooar have had considerable success at club level. Razor in particular rescued the sumner club from an almost impossible position (they almost folded completely) and has turned them into one of the more successful clubs in Christchurch both financially and on the field.
This is a pretty big endorsement of Mooar also (he's the only rugby coach on this list I think)
https://www.hpsnz.org.nz/news-events/hpsnz-announce-latest-intake-acclaimed-coach-accelerator-programme -
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc I like Razor, but I'd like to see him in charge of a less talented team (not sure what the standard of his club sides were like?) In fact, despite the fact that we've just had a Cantab coach who screwed us I'd like to see Razor take over the Magpies if it goes belly up with the new coach. A year or two of that and he'll be primed for a role with the ABs.
@bovidae said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@sammyc said in AB Positions up for grabs:
He Brad Mooar are 2 of the most exciting young coaches I've seen in years.
Mooar wasn't a success in Southland, proving you still need the cattle.
Both Razor and Mooar have had considerable success at club level. Razor in particular rescued the sumner club from an almost impossible position (they almost folded completely) and has turned them into one of the more successful clubs in Christchurch both financially and on the field.
This is a pretty big endorsement of Mooar also (he's the only rugby coach on this list I think)
https://www.hpsnz.org.nz/news-events/hpsnz-announce-latest-intake-acclaimed-coach-accelerator-programme@sammyc hmm Don't know inclusion on a list of coaches for an accelerator programme says a lot about anything other than KPSNZ when the list includes someone who has already coached for 28 years, has coached multiple Olympic medal winner and is two time Halberg coach of the year
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Dont you thik that the best NZ coaches now are all overseas? Umaga, Boyd (soon gone), Cooper, Mauger, robertson dont actually measure up to Schmidt, Gatland, Rennie, Cotter in my eyes
@dagrubster
You can add Joseph to this list. Mannix is doing a good job at Pau as well. -
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@hooroo said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
FFS people, I wasn't serious ... I even put one of those smiley things at the end. Like this ;).
we were all pretty sure that was the case, but history tells us you Hawkes Bay blokes are pretty earnest about your quaint little backwater province
@mariner4life said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@hooroo said in AB Positions up for grabs:
I find this comedy talk @Nepia
Razor has success with a strong NPC side and NZ U20 side so the next step up is Super Rugy where he turns round an under performing team and wins first up and you want him to run backwards now after success to go forward again?
He is developing into excatly what the AB's require, a coach who can be successful and keep successes going of a successful team
FFS people, I wasn't serious ... I even put one of those smiley things at the end. Like this ;).
we were all pretty sure that was the case, but history tells us you Hawkes Bay blokes are pretty earnest about your quaint little backwater province
Especially if they're on TSF and their name is Nepia
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@dagrubster said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@hooroo lime rennie was? will robertson have to go overseasto be considered ready for the AB's?
Sorry, what? I don't get what you mean? I'm saying the Razor is doing the right things to be a future AB coach
EDIT! Like Rennie was. I see what you are saying. I'm just saying Razor is doing what I would like to see an AB coach doing in terms of [progress
@hooroo sorry hooroo, bad grammer on my part.
I agree Roberston has been bloody good and has surprised me with his success and is on course for higher honours.
I suppose the fact that the NZ coaching gig has been a closed shop for so long now that (Henry/Hansen = 16 years) that our coaches are looking for other opportunities which is why so many have left.
If Hansen does go after rwc2019 it will be a very interesting process to see unfold. I only hope that Foster isnt given the gig. He is not AB Head coach material.
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What AB positions are up for grabs this Super Rugby season?
Backup Loosehead Prop (and maybe starting prop if Moody takes a while to get back to full speed) - Moody is recovering from injury, Crockett is 35, and Hames was a fill in.
Contenders:
Tim Perry toured with the All Blacks, and will get a fair bit of game time with the Crusaders. Not dynamic around the park, good but not great in the scrum, probably only a stop-gap.
Lienert-Brown is a decent player who has been injured a lot - would need a big season.
Chris Eves is a quality all-rounder, but probably doesn't standout enough in any one area. Would be a stop-gap.
Hames will get plenty of game time at the Chiefs, but is a penalty magnet and his game outside of the scrum is lacking. Improved somewhat over the All Black season. At best a stop-gap.
Atu Moli is converting from tighthead, and would be unlikely to make the grade in his first year. Could be the surprise.
Alex Hodgman had a good season for Canterbury, is strong around the field, but needs to demonstrate that his scrummaging is up to it. Needs plenty of game time. Could be a break out year for him.
Pauliasi Manu has been in AB squads before, and is a strong scrummager, but has been injured a lot since 2015. Needs a an uninterrupted season to prove he has the workrate and effectiveness around the park.
Hopefully Ofa Tu'ungafasi will specialise at tighthead this year.
Hard to look past Moody and Crockett, but the ABs need to develop two more players who will be available for the 2019 WC.
@tim said in AB Positions up for grabs:
What AB positions are up for grabs this Super Rugby season?
Backup Loosehead Prop (and maybe starting prop if Moody takes a while to get back to full speed) - Moody is recovering from injury, Crockett is 35, and Hames was a fill in.
Contenders:
Tim Perry toured with the All Blacks, and will get a fair bit of game time with the Crusaders. Not dynamic around the park, good but not great in the scrum, probably only a stop-gap.
Lienert-Brown is a decent player who has been injured a lot - would need a big season.
Chris Eves is a quality all-rounder, but probably doesn't standout enough in any one area. Would be a stop-gap.
Hames will get plenty of game time at the Chiefs, but is a penalty magnet and his game outside of the scrum is lacking. Improved somewhat over the All Black season. At best a stop-gap.
Atu Moli is converting from tighthead, and would be unlikely to make the grade in his first year. Could be the surprise.
Alex Hodgman had a good season for Canterbury, is strong around the field, but needs to demonstrate that his scrummaging is up to it. Needs plenty of game time. Could be a break out year for him.
Pauliasi Manu has been in AB squads before, and is a strong scrummager, but has been injured a lot since 2015. Needs a an uninterrupted season to prove he has the workrate and effectiveness around the park.
Hopefully Ofa Tu'ungafasi will specialise at tighthead this year.
Hard to look past Moody and Crockett, but the ABs need to develop two more players who will be available for the 2019 WC.
From this list only Lienert-Brown, Eves, and Manu are fit and available.
Ofa Tu'ungafasi is the only available All Black prop at the moment.
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@tim said in AB Positions up for grabs:
What AB positions are up for grabs this Super Rugby season?
Backup Loosehead Prop (and maybe starting prop if Moody takes a while to get back to full speed) - Moody is recovering from injury, Crockett is 35, and Hames was a fill in.
Contenders:
Tim Perry toured with the All Blacks, and will get a fair bit of game time with the Crusaders. Not dynamic around the park, good but not great in the scrum, probably only a stop-gap.
Lienert-Brown is a decent player who has been injured a lot - would need a big season.
Chris Eves is a quality all-rounder, but probably doesn't standout enough in any one area. Would be a stop-gap.
Hames will get plenty of game time at the Chiefs, but is a penalty magnet and his game outside of the scrum is lacking. Improved somewhat over the All Black season. At best a stop-gap.
Atu Moli is converting from tighthead, and would be unlikely to make the grade in his first year. Could be the surprise.
Alex Hodgman had a good season for Canterbury, is strong around the field, but needs to demonstrate that his scrummaging is up to it. Needs plenty of game time. Could be a break out year for him.
Pauliasi Manu has been in AB squads before, and is a strong scrummager, but has been injured a lot since 2015. Needs a an uninterrupted season to prove he has the workrate and effectiveness around the park.
Hopefully Ofa Tu'ungafasi will specialise at tighthead this year.
Hard to look past Moody and Crockett, but the ABs need to develop two more players who will be available for the 2019 WC.
From this list only Lienert-Brown, Eves, and Manu are fit and available.
Ofa Tu'ungafasi is the only available All Black prop at the moment.
@tim said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@tim said in AB Positions up for grabs:
What AB positions are up for grabs this Super Rugby season?
Backup Loosehead Prop (and maybe starting prop if Moody takes a while to get back to full speed) - Moody is recovering from injury, Crockett is 35, and Hames was a fill in.
Contenders:
Tim Perry toured with the All Blacks, and will get a fair bit of game time with the Crusaders. Not dynamic around the park, good but not great in the scrum, probably only a stop-gap.
Lienert-Brown is a decent player who has been injured a lot - would need a big season.
Chris Eves is a quality all-rounder, but probably doesn't standout enough in any one area. Would be a stop-gap.
Hames will get plenty of game time at the Chiefs, but is a penalty magnet and his game outside of the scrum is lacking. Improved somewhat over the All Black season. At best a stop-gap.
Atu Moli is converting from tighthead, and would be unlikely to make the grade in his first year. Could be the surprise.
Alex Hodgman had a good season for Canterbury, is strong around the field, but needs to demonstrate that his scrummaging is up to it. Needs plenty of game time. Could be a break out year for him.
Pauliasi Manu has been in AB squads before, and is a strong scrummager, but has been injured a lot since 2015. Needs a an uninterrupted season to prove he has the workrate and effectiveness around the park.
Hopefully Ofa Tu'ungafasi will specialise at tighthead this year.
Hard to look past Moody and Crockett, but the ABs need to develop two more players who will be available for the 2019 WC.
From this list only Lienert-Brown, Eves, and Manu are fit and available.
Ofa Tu'ungafasi is the only available All Black prop at the moment.
Perry played for the Crusaders Knights yesterday, so I assume he's available, too.
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Any thoughts on who the next tight head in line is?
Alaalatoa is apparently not eligible until August/September.
JTA is frequently injured.
Laulala is out for "eight to twelve weeks".
Moli is gone for the season.
Is Siate Tokolahi available for New Zealand?
@tim I don't think "frequently injured" is an obstacle for selection. The best available players will be picked. Alaalatoa is definitely the best from the rest, but eligible for the later games of the RC at the earliest. Too late for the French series and Bledisloe I and II (and maybe all home games), but in time for the away RC games and Northern tour.
But it's not about who is available now, but in June and beyond. Franks is expected to be back in April. I think JTA will be back by then, too.
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Long term injuries to Laulala and Hodgman are very severe blows. They surely won't be available for the June series.
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@stargazer yeah I struggle to see just how an injury to a nobody in All Black terms is a very severe blow. In any case, I haven't seen anything from Hodgman to get excited about like cgrant and a couple of others. What is it people see in him?
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@stargazer yeah I struggle to see just how an injury to a nobody in All Black terms is a very severe blow. In any case, I haven't seen anything from Hodgman to get excited about like cgrant and a couple of others. What is it people see in him?
Yes, not every prop who comes out of the Canterbury rugby system is AB quality.
I note that both Crockett and Tamanivalu have not been invited to the SI AB camp due to retirement and going overseas. Maybe Crockett gets a phone call if the injuries to the props is still an issue in June.
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Yes, not every prop who comes out of the Canterbury rugby system is AB quality.
I note that both Crockett and Tamanivalu have not been invited to the SI AB camp due to retirement and going overseas. Maybe Crockett gets a phone call if the injuries to the props is still an issue in June.
@bovidae said in AB Positions up for grabs:
Yes, not every prop who comes out of the Canterbury rugby system is AB quality.
I note that both Crockett and Tamanivalu have not been invited to the SI AB camp due to retirement and going overseas. Maybe Crockett gets a phone call if the injuries to the props is still an issue in June.
Has that training squad actually been named then? If so who is in there?
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@bovidae said in AB Positions up for grabs:
Yes, not every prop who comes out of the Canterbury rugby system is AB quality.
I note that both Crockett and Tamanivalu have not been invited to the SI AB camp due to retirement and going overseas. Maybe Crockett gets a phone call if the injuries to the props is still an issue in June.
Has that training squad actually been named then? If so who is in there?
I don't know if there are any new names from the Crusaders and Highlanders. I heard something on the radio about those two not being there and injured players like Mo'unga attending.
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No communication from NZR, but from the article below, I understand that these players have been invited to the SI AB camp:
Crusaders:
Joe Moody
Tim Perry
Codie Taylor
Owen Franks
Scott Barrett
Luke Romano
Sam Whitelock
Kieran Read
Matt Todd
Mitchell Drummond
Richie Mo'unga
Ryan Crotty
Jack Goodhue
Israel Dagg
David HaviliCouldn't find an article saying anything about Highlanders players in camp, but I assume these are the players as they seem to have invited all players who were on the Northern Tour, except retired or leaving players, and long-term injured incumbent ABs:
Highlanders:
Liam Squire
Dillon Hunt
Luke Whitelock
Aaron Smith
Waisake Naholo
Ben SmithAs Seta Tamanivalu, who's going overseas, hasn't been invited, I assume Lima Sopoaga also hasn't been invited, but maybe he is in camp due Mo'unga being injured and the uncertainty about whether he'll be back to full fitness in time for the French Series.
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