Blues 2019
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@duluth They'd probably be looking at a pretty long wait if they're returning to Super rugby in 2020.
I'd guess Gatland's really freed himself up to contend for the ABs job if we fall over at RWC2019.
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@chris-b said in Blues 2019:
@taniwharugby Would have to be a lifestyle choice for Gatland/Schmidt etc.
Or ambition
Take a pay cut, but have a greater chance of being AB coach
@duluth said in Blues 2019:
@chris-b said in Blues 2019:
@taniwharugby Would have to be a lifestyle choice for Gatland/Schmidt etc.
Or ambition
Take a pay cut, but have a greater chance of being AB coach
YEah but would those guys really want it? Hard to tell but if I could get coaching megacoin in France vs being AB coach, I would definitely be saying au revoir
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@duluth said in Blues 2019:
@chris-b said in Blues 2019:
@taniwharugby Would have to be a lifestyle choice for Gatland/Schmidt etc.
Or ambition
Take a pay cut, but have a greater chance of being AB coach
YEah but would those guys really want it? Hard to tell but if I could get coaching megacoin in France vs being AB coach, I would definitely be saying au revoir
@hooroo you'd think Gats has been doing this long enough that money is unlikely (I know everyone is different) to be the main motivating factor, in that he's probably been paid a shit ton of ÂŁ's over the past decade or so, he is doing it because he wants to do it so can probably afford to be picky and try to align things up to suit timings for future ambitions?
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@chris-b said in Blues 2019:
@duluth They'd probably be looking at a pretty long wait if they're returning to Super rugby in 2020.
It's an even longer wait if you aren't eligible
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@chris-b
Actually, they might have in the last couple of years. There will still be a huge bias towards the locals though.
For instance you mentioned if the AB's fail at the next RWC. All that would mean is that Foster's (yuck) chances would nose dive and someone like Robertson or maybe Plumtree chances would increase. You have a much better chance in the NZ system and playing the politics.
Here's a quote from Gatland from a few months ago:
"I've never said I wanted to be an All Blacks coach. But I think you need to come back and be involved in Super Rugby first, and that's what I would like to do. That would be the natural progression. And if you are successful that's how these things work." -
@chris-b
Actually, they might have in the last couple of years. There will still be a huge bias towards the locals though.
For instance you mentioned if the AB's fail at the next RWC. All that would mean is that Foster's (yuck) chances would nose dive and someone like Robertson or maybe Plumtree chances would increase. You have a much better chance in the NZ system and playing the politics.
Here's a quote from Gatland from a few months ago:
"I've never said I wanted to be an All Blacks coach. But I think you need to come back and be involved in Super Rugby first, and that's what I would like to do. That would be the natural progression. And if you are successful that's how these things work."@duluth I'd be quite happy if Warren didn't get the job anyway.
Hard to know how much the media has painted the picture, but he has come across as a bit of a sour, whiny type.
If we fall over at RWC though, it would be pretty interesting if all of Gatland, Schmidt, Cotter, Rennie, Joseph and Boyd threw their hats in the ring.
There would certainly be a bit of public pressure to pick some of these guys over the Super coaches - especially if the 2018/19 Super titles get shared around.
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@duluth I'd be quite happy if Warren didn't get the job anyway.
Hard to know how much the media has painted the picture, but he has come across as a bit of a sour, whiny type.
If we fall over at RWC though, it would be pretty interesting if all of Gatland, Schmidt, Cotter, Rennie, Joseph and Boyd threw their hats in the ring.
There would certainly be a bit of public pressure to pick some of these guys over the Super coaches - especially if the 2018/19 Super titles get shared around.
@chris-b said in Blues 2019:
I'd be quite happy if Warren didn't get the job anyway.
Yeah, I'm not really a Gatland fan (would take him at the Blues though). I just posted that quote to show that ambition and career path also play a role in decision to come back home. Also, I think someone coming home primarily for lifestyle reasons would probably fail
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@chris-b said in Blues 2019:
I'd be quite happy if Warren didn't get the job anyway.
Yeah, I'm not really a Gatland fan (would take him at the Blues though). I just posted that quote to show that ambition and career path also play a role in decision to come back home. Also, I think someone coming home primarily for lifestyle reasons would probably fail
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Interesting to note that the pass/fail mark is making the semi finals
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@tim said in Blues 2019:
I wonder if MacDonald will bring any Ta$man/Crusaders players with him? Who's off contract?
Edited: A Ta$man player in the Crusaders squad, who may be off contract (uncertain, because they never indicated the duration of his contract) is Quinten Strange. Pete Samu is off-contract, but I think it's more likely he'll go to Australia if he isn't staying at the Crusaders.
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Yeah, can't help but think the coaching decision was influenced by the ability of MacDonald to attract a few under-utilised Crusaders north, and still allow Umaga to retain those loyal to him. If he was to have gone, how many of the better players would have followed suit I wonder? I do expect a stronger playing roster with this coaching team.
Ennor, Macilai, Stratton, Sanders, Strange, Jager all may be under-employed by staying put. But, the Crusaders do better than anyone else in keeping their players put.
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Yeah, can't help but think the coaching decision was influenced by the ability of MacDonald to attract a few under-utilised Crusaders north, and still allow Umaga to retain those loyal to him. If he was to have gone, how many of the better players would have followed suit I wonder? I do expect a stronger playing roster with this coaching team.
Ennor, Macilai, Stratton, Sanders, Strange, Jager all may be under-employed by staying put. But, the Crusaders do better than anyone else in keeping their players put.
@arhs said in Blues 2019:
Yeah, can't help but think the coaching decision was influenced by the ability of MacDonald to attract a few under-utilised Crusaders north, and still allow Umaga to retain those loyal to him. If he was to have gone, how many of the better players would have followed suit I wonder? I do expect a stronger playing roster with this coaching team.
Ennor, Macilai, Stratton, Sanders, Strange, Jager all may be under-employed by staying put. But, the Crusaders do better than anyone else in keeping their players put.
Of these players, Ennor, Sanders and Jager are all contracted to the Crusaders next year or the year after. I'm only certain that Macilai will be off-contract after the 2018 season.
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I'd imagine there will be a few fringe players that Leon might help to sign, but I doubt there will be many if any big guns who aren't already nailed down elsewhere.
I'd be looking to see whether he could bring Makalio and a fullback - any of Havili, Bridge, Jordan or Dagg.
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Super Rugby is attractive to a Kiwi on the way to retirement:
It's home. Some of us have had the choice of minting it in Europe and chosen to come back. That you are used to living overseas doesn't make it home.
It's less stress. Mainly because the season is so much shorter, so a Super series coach can actually get a long holiday.
It'll come down to what their wives want in some cases, so we'll never know. Warren might be enjoying Europe, but is Trudi? Does being close to family over-ride money?
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@gt12 said in Blues 2019:
Not bad, but I was going for Helplessly Hoping.
Which they are lyrics for!
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It's about time we reflect on who from this years squad should stay and who should go. This is made harder this year by all the injuries.
OUT:
Apisai
Taramai
Kiri Kiri
Pryor only stays on as 3rd choice 7, so dev squad.
Nock
Gatland - OK backup, but gone to Highlanders
Kirkpatrick - filler
Hyland - too slow
Johnson - serious heart surgery
Moala - overseas
