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2018 June Internationals

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  • antipodeanA Offline
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    Ireland and Australia to play a nil all draw for three games. Actually the game here needs all the help it can get. So Wallabies by a million.
    South Africa because they need a boost and
    @pukunui said in 2018 June Internationals:

    because fuck England and Eddie jones

    Yeah.

    Wales because fuck the Argies football antics

    Yeah. Sanchez and his diving is pissing me right off.

    ABs but only just so they learn some hard lessons and DMac gets dumped from the squad for throwing intercepts when he's not passing to no one.

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      Just in case anyone was wondering where and when to watch South Africa v Wales: http://www.thesilverfern.com/post/232098

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      • StargazerS Stargazer

        Just in case anyone was wondering where and when to watch South Africa v Wales: http://www.thesilverfern.com/post/232098

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        @stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

        Just in case anyone was wondering where and when to watch South Africa v Wales: http://www.thesilverfern.com/post/232098

        And for those in the UK

        C4 9.20 pm

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        • PNP Offline
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          Someone has lost money with the hosting of this game in the US

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          • CrucialC Offline
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            So far the Wales v SA game is doing nothing to sell rugby to the US. Endless scrum resets and free kicks being taken as scrums. The ref needs to understand that there is an element of exhibition and sort this shite out.

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              In fact, it is such turgid shite that you’d think it was England playing themselves.

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              • PNP Offline
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                Absolute dross being served up here. Actually damaging rugby's image.

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                  Wales may have scored the winning try near full time!

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                    Wales may have scored the winning try near full time!

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                    @louis What a horror debut for Du Preez the Sharks 10. Charged down twice in a row to lose the game.

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                      @louis What a horror debut for Du Preez the Sharks 10. Charged down twice in a row to lose the game.

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                      @kiwimurph That last one for the try wasn't great. He was really casual.
                      Not a great game, but both teams had a cobbled together appearance about them. 3 in a row for Wales vs the Boks now.

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                        OK the positives first
                        We won. First away win against SA. So congratulations to the 23
                        Ellis Jenkins has got the right stuff. So too Tomos Williams.
                        And hopefully we can put the 'North in the centre experiment' to bed once and for all
                        As soon as Parkes came on we had shape both in defence and attack. I was critical of putting an old fella into Test rugby. Happy to be proven wrong

                        Now the negatives
                        C4 rubbish coverage
                        Ref very average
                        The last thing this crowd should have been subjected to was extra time
                        Both teams playing shit, shit tactics with shit, shit skill levels
                        Anscombe fuck off. Patchell has to start against the Argies.
                        One of the worst test matches I'vd watched

                        But we won

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                          #98

                          Sounds like something real turgid. Hopefully someone can post the Saffas take on the proceedings for those of us that, fortunately as it turned out, were unable to take in the match. Jaf might have found time to watch given 7s were well finished for the day by then?

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                            A quick synopsis.

                            Despite kicking away far too much possession, SA created ample opportunities to score but terrible handling, poor decision making, and some superb Welsh goalline defence, esp from captain Ellis Jenkins denied what should have been a comfortable win for SA.

                            SA midfield went really well.

                            They can and will play better in SA against England.

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                              A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

                              Scotland squad:

                              15 Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 2 caps

                              14 Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                              13 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
                              12 James Lang (Harlequins) – uncapped
                              11 Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 3 caps

                              10 Ruaridh Jackson VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps
                              9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 9 caps

                              1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
                              2 Fraser Brown VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps
                              3 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 8 caps
                              4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
                              5 Grant Gilchrist CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
                              6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 2 caps
                              7 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                              8 David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 39 caps

                              Substitutes
                              16 George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
                              17 Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                              18 Murray McCallum (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
                              19 Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                              20 Luke Hamilton (unattached) – 1 cap
                              21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps
                              22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
                              23 Mark Bennett (Edinburgh) – 20 caps

                              http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/06/06/gilchrist-captain-scotland-summer-tour-opener

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                                Manu Samoa team to play Fiji:

                                1 Logovii Mulipola
                                2 Motu Matu'u
                                3 Paul Alo-Emile
                                4 Josh Tyrell
                                5 Chris Vui (c)
                                6 Piula Faasalele
                                7 Jack Lam
                                8 Mat Luamanu
                                9 Melani Matavao
                                10 Tusi Pisi
                                11 Sinoti Sinoti
                                12 Alapati Leiua
                                13 Rey Lee-Lo
                                14 Ed Fidow
                                15 Ah See Tuala

                                Bench:
                                16 Seilala Lam
                                17 Jordan Lay
                                18 Viliamu Afatia
                                19 Joe Tekori
                                20 TJ Ioane
                                21 Dwayne Polataivao
                                22 Rodney Iona
                                23 Paul Perez (vc)

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                                  A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

                                  Scotland squad:

                                  15 Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 2 caps

                                  14 Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                                  13 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
                                  12 James Lang (Harlequins) – uncapped
                                  11 Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 3 caps

                                  10 Ruaridh Jackson VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps
                                  9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 9 caps

                                  1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
                                  2 Fraser Brown VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps
                                  3 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 8 caps
                                  4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
                                  5 Grant Gilchrist CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
                                  6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 2 caps
                                  7 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                                  8 David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 39 caps

                                  Substitutes
                                  16 George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
                                  17 Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                                  18 Murray McCallum (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
                                  19 Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                                  20 Luke Hamilton (unattached) – 1 cap
                                  21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps
                                  22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
                                  23 Mark Bennett (Edinburgh) – 20 caps

                                  http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/06/06/gilchrist-captain-scotland-summer-tour-opener

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                                  MN5
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                                  #102

                                  @stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

                                  A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

                                  Scotland squad:

                                  15 Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 2 caps

                                  14 Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                                  13 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
                                  12 James Lang (Harlequins) – uncapped
                                  11 Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 3 caps

                                  10 Ruaridh Jackson VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps
                                  9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 9 caps

                                  1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
                                  2 Fraser Brown VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps
                                  3 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 8 caps
                                  4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
                                  5 Grant Gilchrist CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
                                  6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 2 caps
                                  7 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                                  8 David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 39 caps

                                  Substitutes
                                  16 George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
                                  17 Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                                  18 Murray McCallum (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
                                  19 Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                                  20 Luke Hamilton (unattached) – 1 cap
                                  21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps
                                  22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
                                  23 Mark Bennett (Edinburgh) – 20 caps

                                  http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/06/06/gilchrist-captain-scotland-summer-tour-opener

                                  Gavs son.

                                  Geez a shitload of unknowns in that team. Denton and Jackson are the only ones I'd recognise.

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                                  • MN5M MN5

                                    @stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

                                    A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

                                    Scotland squad:

                                    15 Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 2 caps

                                    14 Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                                    13 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
                                    12 James Lang (Harlequins) – uncapped
                                    11 Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 3 caps

                                    10 Ruaridh Jackson VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps
                                    9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 9 caps

                                    1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
                                    2 Fraser Brown VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps
                                    3 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 8 caps
                                    4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
                                    5 Grant Gilchrist CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
                                    6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 2 caps
                                    7 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                                    8 David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 39 caps

                                    Substitutes
                                    16 George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
                                    17 Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                                    18 Murray McCallum (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
                                    19 Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                                    20 Luke Hamilton (unattached) – 1 cap
                                    21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps
                                    22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
                                    23 Mark Bennett (Edinburgh) – 20 caps

                                    http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/06/06/gilchrist-captain-scotland-summer-tour-opener

                                    Gavs son.

                                    Geez a shitload of unknowns in that team. Denton and Jackson are the only ones I'd recognise.

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                                    @mn5 said in 2018 June Internationals:

                                    @stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

                                    A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

                                    Scotland squad:

                                    15 Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 2 caps

                                    14 Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                                    13 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
                                    12 James Lang (Harlequins) – uncapped
                                    11 Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 3 caps

                                    10 Ruaridh Jackson VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps
                                    9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 9 caps

                                    1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
                                    2 Fraser Brown VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps
                                    3 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 8 caps
                                    4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
                                    5 Grant Gilchrist CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
                                    6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 2 caps
                                    7 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                                    8 David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 39 caps

                                    Substitutes
                                    16 George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
                                    17 Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                                    18 Murray McCallum (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
                                    19 Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                                    20 Luke Hamilton (unattached) – 1 cap
                                    21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps
                                    22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
                                    23 Mark Bennett (Edinburgh) – 20 caps

                                    http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/06/06/gilchrist-captain-scotland-summer-tour-opener

                                    Gavs son.

                                    Geez a shitload of unknowns in that team. Denton and Jackson are the only ones I'd recognise.

                                    Enough to make a loss to Canada a major set/stepback

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                                    • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                                      @mn5 said in 2018 June Internationals:

                                      @stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

                                      A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

                                      Scotland squad:

                                      15 Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 2 caps

                                      14 Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                                      13 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
                                      12 James Lang (Harlequins) – uncapped
                                      11 Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 3 caps

                                      10 Ruaridh Jackson VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps
                                      9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 9 caps

                                      1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
                                      2 Fraser Brown VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps
                                      3 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 8 caps
                                      4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
                                      5 Grant Gilchrist CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
                                      6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 2 caps
                                      7 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                                      8 David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 39 caps

                                      Substitutes
                                      16 George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
                                      17 Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                                      18 Murray McCallum (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
                                      19 Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                                      20 Luke Hamilton (unattached) – 1 cap
                                      21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps
                                      22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
                                      23 Mark Bennett (Edinburgh) – 20 caps

                                      http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/06/06/gilchrist-captain-scotland-summer-tour-opener

                                      Gavs son.

                                      Geez a shitload of unknowns in that team. Denton and Jackson are the only ones I'd recognise.

                                      Enough to make a loss to Canada a major set/stepback

                                      MN5M Online
                                      MN5M Online
                                      MN5
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                                      #104

                                      @mikethesnow said in 2018 June Internationals:

                                      @mn5 said in 2018 June Internationals:

                                      @stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

                                      A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

                                      Scotland squad:

                                      15 Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 2 caps

                                      14 Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                                      13 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
                                      12 James Lang (Harlequins) – uncapped
                                      11 Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 3 caps

                                      10 Ruaridh Jackson VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps
                                      9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 9 caps

                                      1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
                                      2 Fraser Brown VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps
                                      3 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 8 caps
                                      4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
                                      5 Grant Gilchrist CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
                                      6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 2 caps
                                      7 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                                      8 David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 39 caps

                                      Substitutes
                                      16 George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
                                      17 Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                                      18 Murray McCallum (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
                                      19 Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                                      20 Luke Hamilton (unattached) – 1 cap
                                      21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps
                                      22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
                                      23 Mark Bennett (Edinburgh) – 20 caps

                                      http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/06/06/gilchrist-captain-scotland-summer-tour-opener

                                      Gavs son.

                                      Geez a shitload of unknowns in that team. Denton and Jackson are the only ones I'd recognise.

                                      Enough to make a loss to Canada a major set/stepback

                                      Pretty possible with this team by the looks.

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                                        Fiji squad to take on Samoa:

                                        1 Campese Ma’afu
                                        2 Talemaitoga Tuapati
                                        3 Manasa Saulo
                                        4 Apisalome Ratuniyarawa
                                        5 Leone Nakarawa
                                        6 Dominiko Waqaniburotu
                                        7 Viliame Mata
                                        8 Akapusi Qera (C)
                                        9 Henry Seniloli
                                        10 Ben Volavola
                                        11 Vereniki Goneva
                                        12 Sevanaia Galala
                                        13 Jale Vatubua
                                        14 Benito Masilevu
                                        15 Kini Murimurivalu

                                        Reserves:
                                        16 Ratu Vere Vugakoto
                                        17 Eroni Mawi
                                        18 Ropate Rinakama
                                        19 Sikeli Nabou
                                        20 Nemani Nagusa
                                        21 Serupepeli Vularika
                                        22 Alivereti Veitokani
                                        23 Timoci Nagusa

                                        http://www.fijirugby.com/latest-news/flying-fijians-set-for-powerful-start-against-samoa/

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                                          @stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

                                          A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

                                          Scotland squad:

                                          15 Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 2 caps

                                          14 Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                                          13 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
                                          12 James Lang (Harlequins) – uncapped
                                          11 Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 3 caps

                                          10 Ruaridh Jackson VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps
                                          9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 9 caps

                                          1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
                                          2 Fraser Brown VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps
                                          3 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 8 caps
                                          4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
                                          5 Grant Gilchrist CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
                                          6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 2 caps
                                          7 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                                          8 David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 39 caps

                                          Substitutes
                                          16 George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
                                          17 Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
                                          18 Murray McCallum (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
                                          19 Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh) – uncapped
                                          20 Luke Hamilton (unattached) – 1 cap
                                          21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps
                                          22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
                                          23 Mark Bennett (Edinburgh) – 20 caps

                                          http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/06/06/gilchrist-captain-scotland-summer-tour-opener

                                          Gavs son.

                                          Geez a shitload of unknowns in that team. Denton and Jackson are the only ones I'd recognise.

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                                          @mn5 said in 2018 June Internationals:

                                          @stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

                                          A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

                                          Scotland squad:

                                          Geez a shitload of unknowns in that team. Denton and Jackson are the only ones I'd recognise.

                                          Average caps - under 10.
                                          Have they just given up on EOYT/Spring-Tours/November-Internationals - realising they always seem to get the "leftovers"?

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