2018 June Internationals

MiketheSnow

@stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

Just in case anyone was wondering where and when to watch South Africa v Wales: http://www.thesilverfern.com/post/232098

And for those in the UK

C4 9.20 pm

PN

Someone has lost money with the hosting of this game in the US

Crucial

So far the Wales v SA game is doing nothing to sell rugby to the US. Endless scrum resets and free kicks being taken as scrums. The ref needs to understand that there is an element of exhibition and sort this shite out.

Crucial

In fact, it is such turgid shite that you’d think it was England playing themselves.

PN

Absolute dross being served up here. Actually damaging rugby's image.

Louis

Wales may have scored the winning try near full time!

KiwiMurph

@louis What a horror debut for Du Preez the Sharks 10. Charged down twice in a row to lose the game.

Louis

@kiwimurph That last one for the try wasn't great. He was really casual.
Not a great game, but both teams had a cobbled together appearance about them. 3 in a row for Wales vs the Boks now.

MiketheSnow

OK the positives first
We won. First away win against SA. So congratulations to the 23
Ellis Jenkins has got the right stuff. So too Tomos Williams.
And hopefully we can put the 'North in the centre experiment' to bed once and for all
As soon as Parkes came on we had shape both in defence and attack. I was critical of putting an old fella into Test rugby. Happy to be proven wrong

Now the negatives
C4 rubbish coverage
Ref very average
The last thing this crowd should have been subjected to was extra time
Both teams playing shit, shit tactics with shit, shit skill levels
Anscombe fuck off. Patchell has to start against the Argies.
One of the worst test matches I'vd watched

But we won

Higgins

Sounds like something real turgid. Hopefully someone can post the Saffas take on the proceedings for those of us that, fortunately as it turned out, were unable to take in the match. Jaf might have found time to watch given 7s were well finished for the day by then?

MiketheSnow

A quick synopsis.

Despite kicking away far too much possession, SA created ample opportunities to score but terrible handling, poor decision making, and some superb Welsh goalline defence, esp from captain Ellis Jenkins denied what should have been a comfortable win for SA.

SA midfield went really well.

They can and will play better in SA against England.

Stargazer

A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

Scotland squad:

15 Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 2 caps

14 Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
13 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
12 James Lang (Harlequins) – uncapped
11 Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 3 caps

10 Ruaridh Jackson VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps
9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 9 caps

1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
2 Fraser Brown VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps
3 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 8 caps
4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
5 Grant Gilchrist CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 2 caps
7 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – uncapped
8 David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 39 caps

Substitutes
16 George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
17 Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
18 Murray McCallum (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
19 Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh) – uncapped
20 Luke Hamilton (unattached) – 1 cap
21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps
22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
23 Mark Bennett (Edinburgh) – 20 caps

http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/06/06/gilchrist-captain-scotland-summer-tour-opener

Stargazer

Manu Samoa team to play Fiji:

1 Logovii Mulipola
2 Motu Matu'u
3 Paul Alo-Emile
4 Josh Tyrell
5 Chris Vui (c)
6 Piula Faasalele
7 Jack Lam
8 Mat Luamanu
9 Melani Matavao
10 Tusi Pisi
11 Sinoti Sinoti
12 Alapati Leiua
13 Rey Lee-Lo
14 Ed Fidow
15 Ah See Tuala

Bench:
16 Seilala Lam
17 Jordan Lay
18 Viliamu Afatia
19 Joe Tekori
20 TJ Ioane
21 Dwayne Polataivao
22 Rodney Iona
23 Paul Perez (vc)

MN5

@stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

Scotland squad:

15 Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 2 caps

14 Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
13 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
12 James Lang (Harlequins) – uncapped
11 Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 3 caps

10 Ruaridh Jackson VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps
9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 9 caps

1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
2 Fraser Brown VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps
3 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 8 caps
4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
5 Grant Gilchrist CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 2 caps
7 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – uncapped
8 David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 39 caps

Substitutes
16 George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
17 Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
18 Murray McCallum (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
19 Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh) – uncapped
20 Luke Hamilton (unattached) – 1 cap
21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps
22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
23 Mark Bennett (Edinburgh) – 20 caps

http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/06/06/gilchrist-captain-scotland-summer-tour-opener

Gavs son.

Geez a shitload of unknowns in that team. Denton and Jackson are the only ones I'd recognise.

MiketheSnow

@mn5 said in 2018 June Internationals:

@stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

Scotland squad:

15 Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 2 caps

14 Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
13 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
12 James Lang (Harlequins) – uncapped
11 Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 3 caps

10 Ruaridh Jackson VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps
9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 9 caps

1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
2 Fraser Brown VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps
3 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 8 caps
4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
5 Grant Gilchrist CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 2 caps
7 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – uncapped
8 David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 39 caps

Substitutes
16 George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
17 Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
18 Murray McCallum (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
19 Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh) – uncapped
20 Luke Hamilton (unattached) – 1 cap
21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps
22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
23 Mark Bennett (Edinburgh) – 20 caps

http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/06/06/gilchrist-captain-scotland-summer-tour-opener

Gavs son.

Geez a shitload of unknowns in that team. Denton and Jackson are the only ones I'd recognise.

Enough to make a loss to Canada a major set/stepback

MN5

@mikethesnow said in 2018 June Internationals:

@mn5 said in 2018 June Internationals:

@stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

Scotland squad:

15 Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 2 caps

14 Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
13 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
12 James Lang (Harlequins) – uncapped
11 Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 3 caps

10 Ruaridh Jackson VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps
9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 9 caps

1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
2 Fraser Brown VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps
3 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 8 caps
4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
5 Grant Gilchrist CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 2 caps
7 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – uncapped
8 David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 39 caps

Substitutes
16 George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
17 Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
18 Murray McCallum (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
19 Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh) – uncapped
20 Luke Hamilton (unattached) – 1 cap
21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps
22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
23 Mark Bennett (Edinburgh) – 20 caps

http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/06/06/gilchrist-captain-scotland-summer-tour-opener

Gavs son.

Geez a shitload of unknowns in that team. Denton and Jackson are the only ones I'd recognise.

Enough to make a loss to Canada a major set/stepback

Pretty possible with this team by the looks.

Stargazer

Fiji squad to take on Samoa:

1 Campese Ma’afu
2 Talemaitoga Tuapati
3 Manasa Saulo
4 Apisalome Ratuniyarawa
5 Leone Nakarawa
6 Dominiko Waqaniburotu
7 Viliame Mata
8 Akapusi Qera (C)
9 Henry Seniloli
10 Ben Volavola
11 Vereniki Goneva
12 Sevanaia Galala
13 Jale Vatubua
14 Benito Masilevu
15 Kini Murimurivalu

Reserves:
16 Ratu Vere Vugakoto
17 Eroni Mawi
18 Ropate Rinakama
19 Sikeli Nabou
20 Nemani Nagusa
21 Serupepeli Vularika
22 Alivereti Veitokani
23 Timoci Nagusa

http://www.fijirugby.com/latest-news/flying-fijians-set-for-powerful-start-against-samoa/

Kruse

@mn5 said in 2018 June Internationals:

@stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

Scotland squad:

Geez a shitload of unknowns in that team. Denton and Jackson are the only ones I'd recognise.

Average caps - under 10.
Have they just given up on EOYT/Spring-Tours/November-Internationals - realising they always seem to get the "leftovers"?

Crucial

@mikethesnow said in 2018 June Internationals:

@mn5 said in 2018 June Internationals:

@stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

Scotland squad:

15 Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 2 caps

14 Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
13 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
12 James Lang (Harlequins) – uncapped
11 Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 3 caps

10 Ruaridh Jackson VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps
9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 9 caps

1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
2 Fraser Brown VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps
3 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 8 caps
4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
5 Grant Gilchrist CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 2 caps
7 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – uncapped
8 David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 39 caps

Substitutes
16 George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
17 Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
18 Murray McCallum (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
19 Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh) – uncapped
20 Luke Hamilton (unattached) – 1 cap
21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps
22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
23 Mark Bennett (Edinburgh) – 20 caps

http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/06/06/gilchrist-captain-scotland-summer-tour-opener

Gavs son.

Geez a shitload of unknowns in that team. Denton and Jackson are the only ones I'd recognise.

Enough to make a loss to Canada a major set/stepback

Not really. The top 8 target for RWC qualifying/seeding is not a consideration at the moment (although you wouldn't want to make life too difficult for yourself when it comes back around).
If you knowingly use a game to grow depth/experience and it ends up a loss then you learn about those players.
I think it is quite valuable for teams without great depth to have these type of games. You get something out of them no matter what.

Contrast that with England/SA or Wales/ARG where both England and Wales are in a bit of a shite situation. They can't afford to dabble in the selection pond too much and there are expectations on them. You also risk damaging the self belief of senior players if they can't pull the team through.

MiketheSnow

@crucial said in 2018 June Internationals:

@mikethesnow said in 2018 June Internationals:

@mn5 said in 2018 June Internationals:

@stargazer said in 2018 June Internationals:

A game we will probably not be able to watch in NZ: Canada v Scotland

Scotland squad:

15 Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 2 caps

14 Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
13 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 2 caps
12 James Lang (Harlequins) – uncapped
11 Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – 3 caps

10 Ruaridh Jackson VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 32 caps
9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 9 caps

1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 10 caps
2 Fraser Brown VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps
3 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 8 caps
4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
5 Grant Gilchrist CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 2 caps
7 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – uncapped
8 David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 39 caps

Substitutes
16 George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
17 Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 8 caps
18 Murray McCallum (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
19 Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh) – uncapped
20 Luke Hamilton (unattached) – 1 cap
21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps
22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
23 Mark Bennett (Edinburgh) – 20 caps

http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/06/06/gilchrist-captain-scotland-summer-tour-opener

Gavs son.

Geez a shitload of unknowns in that team. Denton and Jackson are the only ones I'd recognise.

Enough to make a loss to Canada a major set/stepback

Not really. The top 8 target for RWC qualifying/seeding is not a consideration at the moment (although you wouldn't want to make life too difficult for yourself when it comes back around).
If you knowingly use a game to grow depth/experience and it ends up a loss then you learn about those players.
I think it is quite valuable for teams without great depth to have these type of games. You get something out of them no matter what.

Contrast that with England/SA or Wales/ARG where both England and Wales are in a bit of a shite situation. They can't afford to dabble in the selection pond too much and there are expectations on them. You also risk damaging the self belief of senior players if they can't pull the team through.

But both SA v Eng and Arg v Wales are matches which could go either way and require the best available on show.

Scotland should thump Canada with this 23. If they don't then it's back to the drawing board for Townsend

The Silver Fern

2018 June Internationals