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@akan004 said in Super Rugby News:
@bones Comparing the success levels of the respective countries to prove your point is hardly being fair. We are looking at one or two players here, not the whole squad. Of course I wouldn't consider Luatua if we had bunch of other players to pick from. But when Frizell is deemed to be our second best option, then surely it's worth a shot.
I'd say it's being very fair. I bet lots of players from other SH teams come back and play well for their sides. But do they play to the level required to make the ABs successful? I highly doubt it.
So is the third one Louw?
@bones Luke Whitelock and Frizell both have been part of an incredibly successful AB team. Does this mean they are playing at a level that is required to make the ABs successful? I doubt it. Some would make that argument for Squire as well. Faf and Le Roux play for a lesser team but their individual levels of play are of a very high standard.
Yes, Louw outplayed Read. Granted Read is a far superior player but he was outplayed on the weekend.
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Can't see it happening, because it would be pretty special treatment to be allowed to arrive back a couple of months before a RWC and be parachuted into the team. Sending a terrible message to all those who who stayed in NZ to fight for spots.
If Stephen thinks this is a chance then perhaps he should change his name to Sonny, because there's not many who've been rolled out a red carpet of this length and Stephen hasn't really been one of Hansen's favourite sons.
How is he going in the NH?
There's actually a pretty substantial queue for those loose forward spots.
Read, Cane, Squire, Savea, Todd, Frizell, Whitelock, SBarrett, Hemopo, Taufua, Fifita, Ioane.
Luatua was kind of a fringe AB pick at best, so he'd need to be putting in some pretty stellar performances to be considered in my view.
@chris-b when Luatua left he was in some form.
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Can't see it happening, because it would be pretty special treatment to be allowed to arrive back a couple of months before a RWC and be parachuted into the team. Sending a terrible message to all those who who stayed in NZ to fight for spots.
If Stephen thinks this is a chance then perhaps he should change his name to Sonny, because there's not many who've been rolled out a red carpet of this length and Stephen hasn't really been one of Hansen's favourite sons.
How is he going in the NH?
There's actually a pretty substantial queue for those loose forward spots.
Read, Cane, Squire, Savea, Todd, Frizell, Whitelock, SBarrett, Hemopo, Taufua, Fifita, Ioane.
Luatua was kind of a fringe AB pick at best, so he'd need to be putting in some pretty stellar performances to be considered in my view.
@chris-b said in Super Rugby News:
Read, Cane, Squire, Savea, Todd, Frizell, Whitelock, SBarrett, Hemopo, Taufua, Fifita, Ioane.
Damn, is that Hansen's rating you've put them in? Isn't there another couple of Highlanders loosies you can put above Akira?
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@bones Luke Whitelock and Frizell both have been part of an incredibly successful AB team. Does this mean they are playing at a level that is required to make the ABs successful? I doubt it. Some would make that argument for Squire as well. Faf and Le Roux play for a lesser team but their individual levels of play are of a very high standard.
Yes, Louw outplayed Read. Granted Read is a far superior player but he was outplayed on the weekend.
@akan004 said in Super Rugby News:
@bones Luke Whitelock and Frizell both have been part of an incredibly successful AB team. Does this mean they are playing at a level that is required to make the ABs successful? I doubt it. Some would make that argument for Squire as well. Faf and Le Roux play for a lesser team but their individual levels of play are of a very high standard.
Yes, Louw outplayed Read. Granted Read is a far superior player but he was outplayed on the weekend.
Ok now I know you're not being serious. Louw and Le Roux didn't outplay their opposites - and even if some consider they did, I'd like to know how it reached comprehensive levels.
Whitelock and Frizzel are certainly playing at a level to help make the ABs successful. What's Luatua doing?
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@akan004 said in Super Rugby News:
@bones Luke Whitelock and Frizell both have been part of an incredibly successful AB team. Does this mean they are playing at a level that is required to make the ABs successful? I doubt it. Some would make that argument for Squire as well. Faf and Le Roux play for a lesser team but their individual levels of play are of a very high standard.
Yes, Louw outplayed Read. Granted Read is a far superior player but he was outplayed on the weekend.
Ok now I know you're not being serious. Louw and Le Roux didn't outplay their opposites - and even if some consider they did, I'd like to know how it reached comprehensive levels.
Whitelock and Frizzel are certainly playing at a level to help make the ABs successful. What's Luatua doing?
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Can't see it happening, because it would be pretty special treatment to be allowed to arrive back a couple of months before a RWC and be parachuted into the team. Sending a terrible message to all those who who stayed in NZ to fight for spots.
If Stephen thinks this is a chance then perhaps he should change his name to Sonny, because there's not many who've been rolled out a red carpet of this length and Stephen hasn't really been one of Hansen's favourite sons.
How is he going in the NH?
There's actually a pretty substantial queue for those loose forward spots.
Read, Cane, Squire, Savea, Todd, Frizell, Whitelock, SBarrett, Hemopo, Taufua, Fifita, Ioane.
Luatua was kind of a fringe AB pick at best, so he'd need to be putting in some pretty stellar performances to be considered in my view.
@chris-b said in Super Rugby News:
How is he going in the NH?
I've watched a couple of Bristol games this season. He was very good in both of those. Kaino-esque on defence and his running game was still strong
Maybe Hansen has been underwhelmed by the people he's given chances to and got on the phone to Luatua?
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@chris-b said in Super Rugby News:
Read, Cane, Squire, Savea, Todd, Frizell, Whitelock, SBarrett, Hemopo, Taufua, Fifita, Ioane.
Damn, is that Hansen's rating you've put them in? Isn't there another couple of Highlanders loosies you can put above Akira?
@nepia said in Super Rugby News:
@chris-b said in Super Rugby News:
Read, Cane, Squire, Savea, Todd, Frizell, Whitelock, SBarrett, Hemopo, Taufua, Fifita, Ioane.
Damn, is that Hansen's rating you've put them in? Isn't there another couple of Highlanders loosies you can put above Akira?
Not Hansen's ratings - but, based on past patterns of selection the only things we can be sure of are that Read is first on the list and Akira is last.
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@nepia said in Super Rugby News:
@chris-b said in Super Rugby News:
Read, Cane, Squire, Savea, Todd, Frizell, Whitelock, SBarrett, Hemopo, Taufua, Fifita, Ioane.
Damn, is that Hansen's rating you've put them in? Isn't there another couple of Highlanders loosies you can put above Akira?
Not Hansen's ratings - but, based on past patterns of selection the only things we can be sure of are that Read is first on the list and Akira is last.
@chris-b said in Super Rugby News:
@nepia said in Super Rugby News:
@chris-b said in Super Rugby News:
Read, Cane, Squire, Savea, Todd, Frizell, Whitelock, SBarrett, Hemopo, Taufua, Fifita, Ioane.
Damn, is that Hansen's rating you've put them in? Isn't there another couple of Highlanders loosies you can put above Akira?
Not Hansen's ratings - but, based on past patterns of selection the only things we can be sure of is that Read is first on the list and Akira is last.
I'm actually not 100% certain you didn't mean Reiko in case he looses all his speed between now and the RWC.
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@bones You must have low standards if you think Whitelock and Frizell are playing at an AB required level.
Comprehensive to describe Louw's performance against Read was incorrect, I will give you that.
@akan004 said in Super Rugby News:
@bones You must have low standards if you think Whitelock and Frizell are playing at an AB required level.
Comprehensive to describe Louw's performance against Read was incorrect, I will give you that.
Haha, my standards are high enough to not have to scour the EP for players!
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@chris-b said in Super Rugby News:
@nepia said in Super Rugby News:
@chris-b said in Super Rugby News:
Read, Cane, Squire, Savea, Todd, Frizell, Whitelock, SBarrett, Hemopo, Taufua, Fifita, Ioane.
Damn, is that Hansen's rating you've put them in? Isn't there another couple of Highlanders loosies you can put above Akira?
Not Hansen's ratings - but, based on past patterns of selection the only things we can be sure of is that Read is first on the list and Akira is last.
I'm actually not 100% certain you didn't mean Reiko in case he looses all his speed between now and the RWC.
@nepia said in Super Rugby News:
@chris-b said in Super Rugby News:
@nepia said in Super Rugby News:
@chris-b said in Super Rugby News:
Read, Cane, Squire, Savea, Todd, Frizell, Whitelock, SBarrett, Hemopo, Taufua, Fifita, Ioane.
Damn, is that Hansen's rating you've put them in? Isn't there another couple of Highlanders loosies you can put above Akira?
Not Hansen's ratings - but, based on past patterns of selection the only things we can be sure of is that Read is first on the list and Akira is last.
I'm actually not 100% certain you didn't mean Reiko in case he looses all his speed between now and the RWC.
I've got nothing against those Ioane boys. In fact, I wouldn't be unhappy to see Akira in the ABs, because it would probably mean Ta$man would have Frizell and that would be a substantial swing in the balance of power!
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I thought Frizzel was outstanding on his first start and was on par with rest of forwards for second start
@hooroo said in Super Rugby News:
I thought Frizzel was outstanding on his first start and was on par with rest of forwards for second start
You mean when the game when he ran off rucks like Fifita?
He did put in a good defensive shift against the Argentinians over there - although it's interesting what style of game he would have played if Whitelock was available.@Chris-B Would he make your starting lineup?
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@hooroo said in Super Rugby News:
I thought Frizzel was outstanding on his first start and was on par with rest of forwards for second start
You mean when the game when he ran off rucks like Fifita?
He did put in a good defensive shift against the Argentinians over there - although it's interesting what style of game he would have played if Whitelock was available.@Chris-B Would he make your starting lineup?
@nepia said in Super Rugby News:
@hooroo said in Super Rugby News:
I thought Frizzel was outstanding on his first start and was on par with rest of forwards for second start
You mean when the game when he ran off rucks like Fifita?
He did put in a good defensive shift against the Argentinians over there - although it's interesting what style of game he would have played if Whitelock was available.@Chris-B Would he make your starting lineup?
I'm talking about the game when his defence was Kaino-esque. Just standing them up dead in their tracks.
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@nepia said in Super Rugby News:
@hooroo said in Super Rugby News:
I thought Frizzel was outstanding on his first start and was on par with rest of forwards for second start
You mean when the game when he ran off rucks like Fifita?
He did put in a good defensive shift against the Argentinians over there - although it's interesting what style of game he would have played if Whitelock was available.@Chris-B Would he make your starting lineup?
I'm talking about the game when his defence was Kaino-esque. Just standing them up dead in their tracks.
@hooroo said in Super Rugby News:
@nepia said in Super Rugby News:
@hooroo said in Super Rugby News:
I thought Frizzel was outstanding on his first start and was on par with rest of forwards for second start
You mean when the game when he ran off rucks like Fifita?
He did put in a good defensive shift against the Argentinians over there - although it's interesting what style of game he would have played if Whitelock was available.@Chris-B Would he make your starting lineup?
I'm talking about the game when his defence was Kaino-esque. Just standing them up dead in their tracks.
I guess I didn't see that one. But his first start was the running one, so I expect you mean the second Argentina one.
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Kaino-esque is certainly not a term that should be used to describe Frizell's defence. Luatua wasn't exactly a big hitter before he left NZ either, but based on the games he has played for Bristol this year, it looks like he has upped his defensive game a fair bit.
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Kaino-esque is certainly not a term that should be used to describe Frizell's defence. Luatua wasn't exactly a big hitter before he left NZ either, but based on the games he has played for Bristol this year, it looks like he has upped his defensive game a fair bit.
@akan004 said in Super Rugby News:
Kaino-esque is certainly not a term that should be used to describe Frizell's defence. Luatua wasn't exactly a big hitter before he left NZ either, but based on the games he has played for Bristol this year, it looks like he has upped his defensive game a fair bit.
I think you mean comprehensively
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@hooroo said in Super Rugby News:
I thought Frizzel was outstanding on his first start and was on par with rest of forwards for second start
You mean when the game when he ran off rucks like Fifita?
He did put in a good defensive shift against the Argentinians over there - although it's interesting what style of game he would have played if Whitelock was available.@Chris-B Would he make your starting lineup?
@nepia said in Super Rugby News:
@Chris-B Would he make your starting lineup?
Frizell?
Yeah - we've got about half a dozen 6/8s out, so he'd bolt in at present.
If everyone was available? We can field Squire and Taufua so in all seriousness, he'd probably be on the bench!
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@nepia said in Super Rugby News:
@Chris-B Would he make your starting lineup?
Frizell?
Yeah - we've got about half a dozen 6/8s out, so he'd bolt in at present.
If everyone was available? We can field Squire and Taufua so in all seriousness, he'd probably be on the bench!
@chris-b said in Super Rugby News:
@nepia said in Super Rugby News:
@Chris-B Would he make your starting lineup?
Frizell?
Yeah - we've got about half a dozen 6/8s out, so he'd bolt in at present.
If everyone was available? We can field Squire and Taufua so in all seriousness, he'd probably be on the bench!
Skite.
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Luatua can play at Nr.8 so he might fit as Read's cover, the other options being not too flashy.
