Has Hansen gone stale?
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@mn5 said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@sparky said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Not picking Akira Ioane at all or Ngani Laumape nearly enough this year were major errors. It smacked of favouritism too leaving them out when other players were also out of the beers in big way after the Dunedin test
Thanks....hadn't heard his name for quite a few posts.
He's probably the answer in the midfield too. Which frees up a space in the loosies for Gibson to crush all before him. Now if only the selectors weren't so blind to the decline of Whitelock and had selected Cowley-Tuioti. Oh wait no, Scrafton is flavour of the month for world beating lock isn't he?
@bones said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mn5 said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@sparky said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Not picking Akira Ioane at all or Ngani Laumape nearly enough this year were major errors. It smacked of favouritism too leaving them out when other players were also out of the beers in big way after the Dunedin test
Thanks....hadn't heard his name for quite a few posts.
He's probably the answer in the midfield too. Which frees up a space in the loosies for Gibson to crush all before him. Now if only the selectors weren't so blind to the decline of Whitelock and had selected Cowley-Tuioti. Oh wait no, Scrafton is flavour of the month for world beating lock isn't he?
Sounds like you're just making up names now
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If not for injuries, NMS and SBW are still in the squad despite form. This is just the start of the selection issues though.
I'm not sure being a very good scrummager is enough to be a starting prop when you don't bring much else around the field (Franks and Karl T). Not a rhetorical question either, they might be key to success despite their deficiencies.
Whitelock is clearly on tired legs but will hopefully be well rested between now and the RWC.
Squire has never reached the required level in my mind, worth looking at Hemopo/Papalii/AN other.
Read is clearly affected by injuries and/or time but like Whitelock, is going to be in the starting side regardless. Not the wrong call as his experience is invaluable but he doesn't have the cool head of McCaw in captaincy nor is he the player he once was.
Perenara may overtake Smith unless he can recapture the form he had when he first became our 9.
Beauden is likely still our 10 but tactically something has to change.
I'm unsure of the best midfield but SBW isn't in it. Would be great if Nonu still has his spark but at his age it us unlikely.
Not to point a finger at DMac as he has done OK but I think BFA goes back to FB.
And cut the mullets boys.
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Hansen stale? I blame Foster and hope he never becomes AB coach. Isn’t he coaching the backs? Doesn’t matter if he is coaching the forwards he is the weak link.
@broughie said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Hansen stale? I blame Foster and hope he never becomes AB coach. Isn’t he coaching the backs? Doesn’t matter if he is coaching the forwards he is the weak link.
And Hansen was seen as the weak link in the Cartel era. “Fat Guts Hansen” or better yet FGH were the watchcry around here when our lineout was poor and we got beaten up at the breakdown for a short period.
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@taniwharugby said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
so, if we do retain the RWC, are we happy with this loss to get it?
Do we want our unblemished record v Ireland back or a 3-peat? Think I'd take the former TBH...not sure us winning 3 RWC's in a row does the game or tournament any favours.
i want to win everything, all the time, while at the same developing an entire squad of test quality players, and new innovative rugby
Is that too much to ask?
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@taniwharugby said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
so, if we do retain the RWC, are we happy with this loss to get it?
Do we want our unblemished record v Ireland back or a 3-peat? Think I'd take the former TBH...not sure us winning 3 RWC's in a row does the game or tournament any favours.
i want to win everything, all the time, while at the same developing an entire squad of test quality players, and new innovative rugby
Is that too much to ask?
Sir I think that is a very reasonable request. No players to be lost in their prime to Northern Hemisphere clubs. A seamless transition from older players to the next generation.
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I think they also missed a trick by using up valuable tests in trying to develop Fifita and Frizell. Most of us could see that while they may be athletically gifted, they lack the physicality needed in that position, especially on defence. Hemopo on the other hand appears to have that in spades and he was rarely played.
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He is missing Richie McCaw and his famous high standards from his chief lieutenant. The side seemed to lack power to make yards in the first half, but also lacked fitness and cool-heads to take the game by the scruff of the neck in the last ten minutes. The ABs no longer have the advantage in conditioning over the NH sides that they enjoyed 2004-2016.
@sparky said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
He is missing Richie McCaw and his famous high standards from his chief lieutenant. The side seemed to lack power to make yards in the first half, but also lacked fitness and cool-heads to take the game by the scruff of the neck in the last ten minutes. The ABs no longer have the advantage in conditioning over the NH sides that they enjoyed 2004-2016.
Completely agree around power - I think the teams named for the England and Irish games were short one hard hitting defender/runner and then the loss of SBW/Squires exacerbated the problem.
In terms of strategy, the front row replacement in the second half (hit them hard in the first few scrums, give everything and hopefully we can wear them down) worked, but cost us in terms of organisation for the Irish try and then a combination of tiredness/good defence/maybe dew led to a few handling mistakes during the last 20, which stopped us capitalising on the changes. Watching some of the key Irish players coming off - they had nothing left to give.
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I would love to be a fly on the wall when they are discussing strategy. Is it that they have failed to evolve or that they have evolved into something that is a strategic dead end?
8-10 years of success means that even if they were doing a lot right, they could paper over cracks and not feel the repercussions until now.
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Absolutely reject the idea of them foxing/keeping the powder dry. What exactly did they keep on ice in 2015? Aside from the droppies in the semi and what exactly where the tactical masterstrokes they had to hold back? I don't doubt they have some strike plays off set piece up their sleeve - but little else.
Stale? No. He has made some massive blunders in lowering certain standards for an AB 10, having no urgency to create a stable midfield combo, getting too far away from picking the best player available and picking sub-standard assistants to replace Ted and Smith.
The test for Hansen is if he truly believes Ireland are the best team in the world is he prepared to coach from underneath? Is he prepared to either accept that Ireland are going to dominate us in certain facets and coach around that or are we able to make the necessary changes and improvements to overcome Ireland's dominance?
There fear is that when Hansen says Ireland are the best in the world it is merely lip service and he will continue to coach with the assumption we can merely tinker with selections and a game plan and impose their will next time. Problem is if NZ dominate SR again, then we towel Australia and an SA B team in the TRC it's going to be happy days again. It's eerily similar to 1999.
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‘Member how ABs used to always be called world’s best team “between world cups”...? I’m super-pissed ABs lost yesterday, but maybe the chase is better than the catch and we’ll be playing stalker and Ireland will have to get used to being the hunted prey with a bullseye on their forehead for RWC year.
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If we go into next season in a WC year as number 2 ,
it certainly is new territory ,
Going to be an interesting season ,
12 months is a long time and plenty can change in that time ,
Not panicking yet, but have concerns we are not so much sliding , but have plateaued
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Hansen says we are stuck between how they used to play and how they want to play and not getting it right....
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If we go into next season in a WC year as number 2 ,
it certainly is new territory ,
Going to be an interesting season ,
12 months is a long time and plenty can change in that time ,
Not panicking yet, but have concerns we are not so much sliding , but have plateaued
@kiwiinmelb said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
If we go into next season in a WC year as number 2 ,
it certainly is new territory ,
Going to be an interesting season ,
12 months is a long time and plenty can change in that time ,
Not panicking yet, but have concerns we are not so much sliding , but have plateaued
Cough, cough, 2003
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@kiwiinmelb said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
If we go into next season in a WC year as number 2 ,
it certainly is new territory ,
Going to be an interesting season ,
12 months is a long time and plenty can change in that time ,
Not panicking yet, but have concerns we are not so much sliding , but have plateaued
Cough, cough, 2003
@catogrande said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
If we go into next season in a WC year as number 2 ,
it certainly is new territory ,
Going to be an interesting season ,
12 months is a long time and plenty can change in that time ,
Not panicking yet, but have concerns we are not so much sliding , but have plateaued
Cough, cough, 2003
Cough, cough 1999. (so close to the horrible 5 on the bounce losses of 1998)
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@catogrande said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
If we go into next season in a WC year as number 2 ,
it certainly is new territory ,
Going to be an interesting season ,
12 months is a long time and plenty can change in that time ,
Not panicking yet, but have concerns we are not so much sliding , but have plateaued
Cough, cough, 2003
Cough, cough 1999. (so close to the horrible 5 on the bounce losses of 1998)
@nzzp said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@catogrande said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
If we go into next season in a WC year as number 2 ,
it certainly is new territory ,
Going to be an interesting season ,
12 months is a long time and plenty can change in that time ,
Not panicking yet, but have concerns we are not so much sliding , but have plateaued
Cough, cough, 2003
Cough, cough 1999. (so close to the horrible 5 on the bounce losses of 1998)
So not new territory?
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The reaction to losing at home to a much lower ranked SA side should have really had a more negative reaction than losing away to a number 2 (at the time) ranked Ireland. Because of the long-standing rivalry being reignited, many people (including me) were happy to let the Saffas have their win without properly acknowledging that that it signified something very negative about the level the ABs are playing at.
SA will be targeting our pool game to avoid Ireland in the quarters.
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Absolutely reject the idea of them foxing/keeping the powder dry. What exactly did they keep on ice in 2015? Aside from the droppies in the semi and what exactly where the tactical masterstrokes they had to hold back? I don't doubt they have some strike plays off set piece up their sleeve - but little else.
Stale? No. He has made some massive blunders in lowering certain standards for an AB 10, having no urgency to create a stable midfield combo, getting too far away from picking the best player available and picking sub-standard assistants to replace Ted and Smith.
The test for Hansen is if he truly believes Ireland are the best team in the world is he prepared to coach from underneath? Is he prepared to either accept that Ireland are going to dominate us in certain facets and coach around that or are we able to make the necessary changes and improvements to overcome Ireland's dominance?
There fear is that when Hansen says Ireland are the best in the world it is merely lip service and he will continue to coach with the assumption we can merely tinker with selections and a game plan and impose their will next time. Problem is if NZ dominate SR again, then we towel Australia and an SA B team in the TRC it's going to be happy days again. It's eerily similar to 1999.
@rotated said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Absolutely reject the idea of them foxing/keeping the powder dry. What exactly did they keep on ice in 2015? Aside from the droppies in the semi and what exactly where the tactical masterstrokes they had to hold back? I don't doubt they have some strike plays off set piece up their sleeve - but little else.
They destroyed a French side and dominated the final. Had BFA not been given the world's softest YC the Wallabies would've been humped.
The masterstrokes is how they create and exploit space on the field. Often multiphase to achieve the desired effect.
Hansen has been a remarkably successful coach for a long time. I'm prepared to give him some rope.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
If we go into next season in a WC year as number 2 ,
it certainly is new territory ,
Going to be an interesting season ,
12 months is a long time and plenty can change in that time ,
Not panicking yet, but have concerns we are not so much sliding , but have plateaued
Cough, cough, 2003
@catogrande said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
If we go into next season in a WC year as number 2 ,
it certainly is new territory ,
Going to be an interesting season ,
12 months is a long time and plenty can change in that time ,
Not panicking yet, but have concerns we are not so much sliding , but have plateaued
Cough, cough, 2003
For these players
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We'll be asking this on the All Blacks Edition on Wednesday night 8pm.
But is Hansen hiding some tricks that he doesn't want to show before the Rugby World Cup? I think it's all about winning there not this year.
@drivingmaul said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
But is Hansen hiding some tricks that he doesn't want to show before the Rugby World Cup? I think it's all about winning there not this year.
I guess that is what we are all hoping.
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@drivingmaul said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
But is Hansen hiding some tricks that he doesn't want to show before the Rugby World Cup? I think it's all about winning there not this year.
I guess that is what we are all hoping.
@snowy said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@drivingmaul said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
But is Hansen hiding some tricks that he doesn't want to show before the Rugby World Cup? I think it's all about winning there not this year.
I guess that is what we are all hoping.
Ireland and other sides are probably also holding back.
It's not just the ABs that have some super secret tactics.
