Black Caps v India
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@newsjunkie said in Black Caps v India:
@akan004 said in Black Caps v India:
@newsjunkie The problem with Sachin was that he almost always failed during a tight chase. Hence why I rate Lara and Kohli ahead of him. They perform when the pressure is on.
This is a myth. Neither Lara nor Kohli open the innings in ODIs, and both have "failed" in plenty of chases. Lara's 153 against Aus in a test chase gets him a lot of deserved credit, but few remember that he was dropped towards the end. By Contrast Tendulkar's magnificent 136 in the 4th innings against Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain in their absolute pomp, with back spasms - fell short by 17 runs. Tendulkar scored 98 in a must-win WC game in 2003 against Pakistan - he was lucky enough that Dravid and Kaif finished the game behind him.
There are literally dozens of instances where Tendulkar won the match single-handedly for India - in tests and ODIs. But confirmation bias is a powerful thing.
All that being said, Tendulkar did have his mental frailties, especially in the 2nd half of his career. He simply wasn't as good a player after his elbow injury in the early 2000s. The problem is that even at 70% of his prime, he was still good enough to be effective to play for another decade. Most other players, once they pass their prime - Ponting, etc, fade away within a year or so. And many today remember the Tendulkar from the 2nd half of his career, forgetting the absolute dominance of the 1992-2002 timeframe.
Edit: Here's a link to an article about the Chennai test - it was around 20 years ago and Cricinfo's done a decent write-up on it. Bit of a long read, but good one if you like to read - http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1172609
Those examples of Tendulkar winning a match single handed are him getting out and leaving someone else to finish?
Tendulkar has lots of points in his favour for best since Bradman. So does Lara. So does Ponting. So does Waugh. So does Kallis. So does Richards. So does Sobers. So does Dravid. There just isn't the clear separation between those players that you claim.
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v India:
@newsjunkie said in Black Caps v India:
@akan004 said in Black Caps v India:
@newsjunkie The problem with Sachin was that he almost always failed during a tight chase. Hence why I rate Lara and Kohli ahead of him. They perform when the pressure is on.
This is a myth. Neither Lara nor Kohli open the innings in ODIs, and both have "failed" in plenty of chases. Lara's 153 against Aus in a test chase gets him a lot of deserved credit, but few remember that he was dropped towards the end. By Contrast Tendulkar's magnificent 136 in the 4th innings against Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain in their absolute pomp, with back spasms - fell short by 17 runs. Tendulkar scored 98 in a must-win WC game in 2003 against Pakistan - he was lucky enough that Dravid and Kaif finished the game behind him.
There are literally dozens of instances where Tendulkar won the match single-handedly for India - in tests and ODIs. But confirmation bias is a powerful thing.
All that being said, Tendulkar did have his mental frailties, especially in the 2nd half of his career. He simply wasn't as good a player after his elbow injury in the early 2000s. The problem is that even at 70% of his prime, he was still good enough to be effective to play for another decade. Most other players, once they pass their prime - Ponting, etc, fade away within a year or so. And many today remember the Tendulkar from the 2nd half of his career, forgetting the absolute dominance of the 1992-2002 timeframe.
Edit: Here's a link to an article about the Chennai test - it was around 20 years ago and Cricinfo's done a decent write-up on it. Bit of a long read, but good one if you like to read - http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1172609
Those examples of Tendulkar winning a match single handed are him getting out and leaving someone else to finish?
Tendulkar has lots of points in his favour for best since Bradman. So does Lara. So does Ponting. So does Waugh. So does Kallis. So does Richards. So does Sobers. So does Dravid. There just isn't the clear separation between those players that you claim.
Hence my initial point about him not even clearly being the best of his era.
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@Gunner said in Black Caps v India:
This Tendulkar v Lara argument is putting me to sleep.
Someone give me a nudge when we’re back talking about Black Caps v India.
Ta.Bit hard when it doesn't start til tomorrow but I'd say the team with the most runs will win.
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v India:
This Tendulkar v Lara argument is putting me to sleep.
Someone give me a nudge when we’re back talking about Black Caps v India.
Ta.Bit hard when it doesn't start til tomorrow but I'd say the team with the most runs will win.
Unless
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@newsjunkie my opinion is that in a discussion involving an impossibly subjective verdict, allocating and inferring a mental shortcoming says more about you than your opinion.
We call it playing the ball and not the man.
Both Lara and Sachin were magnificent, and displayed their mastery differently. Admiring the pair of them needn't be a zero sum game.
Yep the fence is the best vantage place to compare 2 titans
@Siam said in Black Caps v India:
my opinion is that in a discussion involving an impossibly subjective verdict, allocating and inferring a mental shortcoming says more about you than your opinion.
We call it playing the ball and not the man.Fair point.
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This Tendulkar v Lara argument is putting me to sleep.
Someone give me a nudge when we’re back talking about Black Caps v India.
Ta.@Gunner said in Black Caps v India:
This Tendulkar v Lara argument is putting me to sleep.
Someone give me a nudge when we’re back talking about Black Caps v India.
Ta.Agree. It's like listening to people argue the toss between an Envy apple and a Jazz apple.
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@Gunner said in Black Caps v India:
This Tendulkar v Lara argument is putting me to sleep.
Someone give me a nudge when we’re back talking about Black Caps v India.
Ta.Agree. It's like listening to people argue the toss between an Envy apple and a Jazz apple.
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v India:
This Tendulkar v Lara argument is putting me to sleep.
Someone give me a nudge when we’re back talking about Black Caps v India.
Ta.Agree. It's like listening to people argue the toss between an Envy apple and a Jazz apple.
Gala apple motherfucker!!!
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@shark said in Black Caps v India:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v India:
This Tendulkar v Lara argument is putting me to sleep.
Someone give me a nudge when we’re back talking about Black Caps v India.
Ta.Agree. It's like listening to people argue the toss between an Envy apple and a Jazz apple.
Gala apple motherfucker!!!
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v India:
This Tendulkar v Lara argument is putting me to sleep.
Someone give me a nudge when we’re back talking about Black Caps v India.
Ta.Agree. It's like listening to people argue the toss between an Envy apple and a Jazz apple.
Gala apple motherfucker!!!
Jazz all the way baby
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Fuji apples - that's where its at!
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@shark said in Black Caps v India:
Actually, apples are far more interesting than Lara VS Tendulkar!
The fuck they are.
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
Actually, apples are far more interesting than Lara VS Tendulkar!
The fuck they are.
You're boring me cob
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
Actually, apples are far more interesting than Lara VS Tendulkar!
The fuck they are.
You're boring me cob
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
Actually, apples are far more interesting than Lara VS Tendulkar!
The fuck they are.
You're boring me cob
Apples bore me.
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v India:
This Tendulkar v Lara argument is putting me to sleep.
Someone give me a nudge when we’re back talking about Black Caps v India.
Ta.Agree. It's like listening to people argue the toss between an Envy apple and a Jazz apple.
Gala apple motherfucker!!!
Jazz all the way baby
@nzzp said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v India:
This Tendulkar v Lara argument is putting me to sleep.
Someone give me a nudge when we’re back talking about Black Caps v India.
Ta.Agree. It's like listening to people argue the toss between an Envy apple and a Jazz apple.
Gala apple motherfucker!!!
Jazz all the way baby
I'm old school, cox's orange when I can get crunchy ones have the best flavour. Braeburns are not far behind, Jazz are consistently sweet and crunchy (remind me of splendours) the kids love them. There is an all red variety which are pretty nice too. Can't beat tree fresh apples. Unfortunately I haven't got a regular source
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So Guppy is outta tomorrow's game and Stuff believes Munro will come back in. What a waste of an opportunity to try another opener against the last really good attack we face before the World Cup. Munro had well and truly played himself out of the squad so for mine the fluffybunny stays out of the squad until he does something to warrant re-inclusion.
He's about to bat for the Aces v Knights so we'll see what he does here. -
So Guppy is outta tomorrow's game and Stuff believes Munro will come back in. What a waste of an opportunity to try another opener against the last really good attack we face before the World Cup. Munro had well and truly played himself out of the squad so for mine the fluffybunny stays out of the squad until he does something to warrant re-inclusion.
He's about to bat for the Aces v Knights so we'll see what he does here.@shark history tells us with the Black Caps that if Munro plays he will score a quick fire fifty and cement his spot in the WC squad.
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Munro turns around and his 54 off of 30. I tend to think, Munro isn't good enough. But he can be good enough on his day. He could play a knock which takes us into a final. We aren't going to be favourites anyway. If we pick Worker or Rutherford they might score more over a tournament but they aren't going to be the hero.
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Munro turns around and his 54 off of 30. I tend to think, Munro isn't good enough. But he can be good enough on his day. He could play a knock which takes us into a final. We aren't going to be favourites anyway. If we pick Worker or Rutherford they might score more over a tournament but they aren't going to be the hero.
@hydro11 said in Black Caps v India:
Munro turns around and his 54 off of 30. I tend to think, Munro isn't good enough. But he can be good enough on his day. He could play a knock which takes us into a final. We aren't going to be favourites anyway. If we pick Worker or Rutherford they might score more over a tournament but they aren't going to be the hero.
If he's in the squad it will be as one of the four reserves. If the selectors choose to go with Nicholls as the emergency wicketkeeper over Tim Seifert, and I think they will, he's definitely in as the team's pinch hitter who can open or come in at 6/7. Only person who could push him out is a "healthy" Corey Anderson.
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Munro turns around and his 54 off of 30. I tend to think, Munro isn't good enough. But he can be good enough on his day. He could play a knock which takes us into a final. We aren't going to be favourites anyway. If we pick Worker or Rutherford they might score more over a tournament but they aren't going to be the hero.
@hydro11 said in Black Caps v India:
Munro turns around and his 54 off of 30. I tend to think, Munro isn't good enough. But he can be good enough on his day. He could play a knock which takes us into a final. We aren't going to be favourites anyway. If we pick Worker or Rutherford they might score more over a tournament but they aren't going to be the hero.
You should have stayed with your original comment and left it at that. He's not fucking good enough. Every Dog Has Its Day is the phrase that best applies to his batting. And a 50 in the shitty Super Smash on a good batting wicket at a small ground counts for nothing. Further, your post reads as if in a dream world he could score a hundred in a World Cup final ie be the hero. Bloody hell. I'd rather have a Worker averaging 33 across a tournament than wait another 20 innings for the Munro dog to finally have his day.
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@Siam said in Black Caps v India:
my opinion is that in a discussion involving an impossibly subjective verdict, allocating and inferring a mental shortcoming says more about you than your opinion.
We call it playing the ball and not the man.Fair point.
@newsjunkie as an aside mate, Roger Binnie is my favourite Indian cricketer. Many a night out with him and doc Paes, (Leander's dad), great men.
Stick around man, but bring your A game to the threads with these cantankerous fluffybunnies that prop up the bar. India is now the team to beat
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@hydro11 said in Black Caps v India:
Munro turns around and his 54 off of 30. I tend to think, Munro isn't good enough. But he can be good enough on his day. He could play a knock which takes us into a final. We aren't going to be favourites anyway. If we pick Worker or Rutherford they might score more over a tournament but they aren't going to be the hero.
You should have stayed with your original comment and left it at that. He's not fucking good enough. Every Dog Has Its Day is the phrase that best applies to his batting. And a 50 in the shitty Super Smash on a good batting wicket at a small ground counts for nothing. Further, your post reads as if in a dream world he could score a hundred in a World Cup final ie be the hero. Bloody hell. I'd rather have a Worker averaging 33 across a tournament than wait another 20 innings for the Munro dog to finally have his day.
@shark he's a funny one I reckon, but he's now only a t20 player and should be an automatic pick in the format where each result means nothing really.
He was player of the tournament in the Caribbean last year and actually has a cool mid wicket hoick off a good ball, (Jesse had the best one). He can play, he's got ability and has achieved a lot.
But
We all agree he's not worth the gamble in 50 over cricket.
(be nice if those words come back to bite me on the arse)
