2020 All Blacks Squad
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@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older. -
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.I always thought Nonu looked far more at home at 12 than 13 , even during his peak ,
Even though he started as a 13
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@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.I always thought Nonu looked far more at home at 12 than 13 , even during his peak ,
Even though he started as a 13
@kiwiinmelb said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.I always thought Nonu looked far more at home at 12 than 13 , even during his peak ,
Even though he started as a 13
True, but agree with @Crucial's general point.
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Anyone not picking ALB long term in midfield is mentally deficient
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@kiwiinmelb said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.I always thought Nonu looked far more at home at 12 than 13 , even during his peak ,
Even though he started as a 13
True, but agree with @Crucial's general point.
@pakman said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@kiwiinmelb said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.I always thought Nonu looked far more at home at 12 than 13 , even during his peak ,
Even though he started as a 13
True, but agree with @Crucial's general point.
Definitely , I wasnt disputing that at all , more enforcing it that the positions are different
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So which midfielders will be gone next year?
Proctor is definitely off, and Crotty is supposed to be going? I assume that SBW is gone too.
ALB and Laumape are signed for next year, and Goodhue is likely to stay.
That leaves these players:
1st choice
ALB
Goodhue
LaumapeContenders:
Braydon Ennor
TJ Faiane (size?)
Rob Thompson (solid but what more? hasn't signed yet)
Vince AsoAny more? We have three good players, but not much depth. Is Michael Little worth a look?
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So which midfielders will be gone next year?
Proctor is definitely off, and Crotty is supposed to be going? I assume that SBW is gone too.
ALB and Laumape are signed for next year, and Goodhue is likely to stay.
That leaves these players:
1st choice
ALB
Goodhue
LaumapeContenders:
Braydon Ennor
TJ Faiane (size?)
Rob Thompson (solid but what more? hasn't signed yet)
Vince AsoAny more? We have three good players, but not much depth. Is Michael Little worth a look?
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2020, 33 players
Joe Moody, Karl Tuinukuafe, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Atu Moli, Tyrel Lomax, Nepo Laulala
Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Asafo Aumua
Pat Tuipulotu, Isaia-Walker Leawere, Scott Barrett, Pari-Pari Parkinson
Shanon Frizell, Dalton Papali'i, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (if he can), Luke Whitelock, Akira Ioane
Ere Enari, TJ Perenara, Te Toira Tahuriorangi (maybe Aaron Smith ?)
Richie Mo'unga, Damian McKenzie
Ngani Laumape, Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, Jack Goodhue
Rieko Ioane, George Bridge, Will Jordan, Manasa Mataele, David Havili
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2020, 33 players
Joe Moody, Karl Tuinukuafe, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Atu Moli, Tyrel Lomax, Nepo Laulala
Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Asafo Aumua
Pat Tuipulotu, Isaia-Walker Leawere, Scott Barrett, Pari-Pari Parkinson
Shanon Frizell, Dalton Papali'i, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (if he can), Luke Whitelock, Akira Ioane
Ere Enari, TJ Perenara, Te Toira Tahuriorangi (maybe Aaron Smith ?)
Richie Mo'unga, Damian McKenzie
Ngani Laumape, Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, Jack Goodhue
Rieko Ioane, George Bridge, Will Jordan, Manasa Mataele, David Havili
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What about that McLeod guy from Canterbury? Never seen him play, but he's bloody good.
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What about that McLeod guy from Canterbury? Never seen him play, but he's bloody good.
@Crazy-Horse said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
What about that McLeod guy from Canterbury? Never seen him play, but he's bloody good.
He's got sweet feet and a bullet skip pass.
Not that anyone's seen it.
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@Calabas you could probably add Vince Aso to that equation, can cover 12, 13 and both wings. Would have him ahead of Mataele.
First five looks a major worry
@Canes4life said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Calabas you could probably add Vince Aso to that equation, can cover 12, 13 and both wings. Would have him ahead of Mataele.
First five looks a major worry
Agree. It will be interesting to see how someone like Josh Ioane goes until then. At this stage, he's the frontrunner for the third spot for me, but still a lot of water to go under the bridge. Harry Plummer and Jack Debreczeni will be worth a look, too (and maybe I should mention Brett Cameron, although only because he has been capped, not because I've actually seen a reason why he should be). And who knows, what happens during this year's M10 Cup and the 2020 SR season. Tiaan Falcon has potential, but he has to stay in one piece first and show it on the paddock.
As to outside backs, Aso is more versatile, but Mataele is the better wing. I think Alaimalo is worth a look, too. And who knows, maybe by the end of the SR season, Sevu Reece may be on the ABs radar, too.
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@Canes4life said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Calabas you could probably add Vince Aso to that equation, can cover 12, 13 and both wings. Would have him ahead of Mataele.
First five looks a major worry
Agree. It will be interesting to see how someone like Josh Ioane goes until then. At this stage, he's the frontrunner for the third spot for me, but still a lot of water to go under the bridge. Harry Plummer and Jack Debreczeni will be worth a look, too (and maybe I should mention Brett Cameron, although only because he has been capped, not because I've actually seen a reason why he should be). And who knows, what happens during this year's M10 Cup and the 2020 SR season. Tiaan Falcon has potential, but he has to stay in one piece first and show it on the paddock.
As to outside backs, Aso is more versatile, but Mataele is the better wing. I think Alaimalo is worth a look, too. And who knows, maybe by the end of the SR season, Sevu Reece may be on the ABs radar, too.
@Stargazer TJ Va'a
I'd prefer Aso. He was deadly on the right wing for the Canes in 2017 (second top try scorer in Super) and has a calmness about him that would help him thrive in the All Blacks. Hansen said he would have selected him last year if it wasn't for his injury. If you have Bridge and Jordan, then there is no need for Havili aswell. Aso at 101kg offers that point of difference.
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@KiwiMurph I don't think they would be this year though.
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@Stargazer I thought this was for 2020?
@KiwiMurph Ooops, yeah, true. I'll rephrase. I don't think they would be next year, though, unless he shows a lot of improvement compared to 2018. And to show that, he needs to get opportunities to play at 10. With Plummer and Black ahead of him in the Blues pecking order, those opportunities will be rare this year if Plummer and Black can stay injury free and play well. Whether he'll get them for the Blues next year, depends also on whether they re-sign Black.
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@Tim so basically Gregor drawing conclusions from media articles and sound bites?
I used to like his articles (going back a few years) but he seems to have turned into a bit of a lazy hack trying (not as hard as Twats and Treason) for clicks.
