2020 All Blacks Squad
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@sparky said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Just ten All Blacks still unsigned for 2020:
Brodie Retallick:
Jack Goodhue:
Beauden Barrett:
Jordie Barrett:
Sonny Bill Williams:
Kane Hames:
Shannon Frizell:
Waisake Naholo:
Matt Todd:
Luke RomanoThe first four are a concern. The rest would not worry me either way. They're players that either (by 2020) will be being replaced by up and coming options or have never really reached a suitable level anyway.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be signed, but how many games do you think the bottom six would get from 2020 if available?
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I think Williams, Naholo, and Romano will head offshore. Also, do we think Hames will be re-signed after his injury woes? Can't see it happening for some reason. Same happened with Graham, though he wasn't an All Black.
@Yeetyaah I think someone on here has some contact with Romano and says he's not keen on playing overseas and planning on moving into coaching. Could easily be after this season since he's 33 now. Now that Whitelock is skipping next year's Super rugby, I'd like to see Romano sign on for one more season. I don't think he should be out of contention for the ABs RWC squad this time around - I still have question marks over big Patty, including after last Saturday.
Kane Hames' concussion is looking like a serious worry for him ever playing again.
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I think Williams, Naholo, and Romano will head offshore. Also, do we think Hames will be re-signed after his injury woes? Can't see it happening for some reason. Same happened with Graham, though he wasn't an All Black.
@Yeetyaah said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I think Williams... will head offshore.
It would be pretty ironic if after all his code jumping and going to the highest bidder at the peak of his powers that now after getting married and having kids he wants to settle down but the NZRU is basically like... we reckon you are done at test level we can give you the Crockett/Romano deal but that's about it.
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@Chester-Draws I think Frizzell will get a lot.
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chester-Draws I think Frizzell will get a lot.
He better start to deliver pretty fast then, because there's a few equally promising players on the rise.
I don't think he will, because he's the wrong sort of player to develop late. He's an athlete, fair enough, but the late bloomers at six have been ones who were physically hard and took time to harden up (like Kaino) or came late to the position (like Messam).
Frizzel reminds me of Blowers, who was spent by the age Frizzel is now. Or Jamie Joseph, similarly gone by 25.
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@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chester-Draws I think Frizzell will get a lot.
He better start to deliver pretty fast then, because there's a few equally promising players on the rise.
I don't think he will, because he's the wrong sort of player to develop late. He's an athlete, fair enough, but the late bloomers at six have been ones who were physically hard and took time to harden up (like Kaino) or came late to the position (like Messam).
Frizzel reminds me of Blowers, who was spent by the age Frizzel is now. Or Jamie Joseph, similarly gone by 25.
@Chester-Draws I may have been one of his biggest detractors last year
but even I think he’s looked good this year - so I’m unsure why the Highlanders selectors replaced him with the “safe”* Lucky Luke.- Which is I assume is redefined as misses tackles and gives away stupid penalties now.
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@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chester-Draws I think Frizzell will get a lot.
He better start to deliver pretty fast then, because there's a few equally promising players on the rise.
I don't think he will, because he's the wrong sort of player to develop late. He's an athlete, fair enough, but the late bloomers at six have been ones who were physically hard and took time to harden up (like Kaino) or came late to the position (like Messam).
Frizzel reminds me of Blowers, who was spent by the age Frizzel is now. Or Jamie Joseph, similarly gone by 25.
@Chester-Draws Kaino was an athlete type player.
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@Chester-Draws Kaino was an athlete type player.
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chester-Draws Kaino was an athlete type player.
Who needed to toughen up...
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@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chester-Draws Kaino was an athlete type player.
Who needed to toughen up...
@antipodean said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chester-Draws Kaino was an athlete type player.
Who needed to toughen up...
Duh me. I missed out that Frizzell was tough enough already.
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Jack Goodhue will be available in 2020. Naholo won't be.
All Blacks unaccounted for in 2020:
Brodie Retallick:
Beauden Barrett:
Jordie Barrett:
Shannon Frizell:
Sonny Bill Williams: (off to Toronto Wolfpack?)
Kane Hames: (Concussion issues)
Matt Todd:
Luke Romano
Matt Perry: -
Jack Goodhue will be available in 2020. Naholo won't be.
All Blacks unaccounted for in 2020:
Brodie Retallick:
Beauden Barrett:
Jordie Barrett:
Shannon Frizell:
Sonny Bill Williams: (off to Toronto Wolfpack?)
Kane Hames: (Concussion issues)
Matt Todd:
Luke Romano
Matt Perry: -
@Chester-Draws Kaino was an athlete type player.
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chester-Draws Kaino was an athlete type player.
No he wasn't. He wasn't fast (compared to young Messam he was slow). He wasn't fabulous in the air, winning strings of lineouts and kickoffs. He wasn't nimble. When you think of him, what special athletic powers did he have others striving for his position don't?
He was a hard man who hit hard and made few mistakes. He was fit. He had a bit of explosive power, but it didn't translate into many line breaks, for instance.
No-one doubts his worth. But he was no more naturally athletic than any of his competitors.
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@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chester-Draws Kaino was an athlete type player.
No he wasn't. He wasn't fast (compared to young Messam he was slow). He wasn't fabulous in the air, winning strings of lineouts and kickoffs. He wasn't nimble. When you think of him, what special athletic powers did he have others striving for his position don't?
He was a hard man who hit hard and made few mistakes. He was fit. He had a bit of explosive power, but it didn't translate into many line breaks, for instance.
No-one doubts his worth. But he was no more naturally athletic than any of his competitors.
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Which Kaino are we talking about? 2004 Kaino was an athlete - he added the hard later and got his place from 2008, becoming god-like from about 2011.
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@gt12 exactly.
Young Kaino was a serious athlete.
I believe it was 2004 on debut ABs v Barbarians at Twickenham that Kaino went in and around Mat Rogers to score?
@KiwiMurph said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@gt12 exactly.
Young Kaino was a serious athlete.
I believe it was 2004 on debut ABs v Barbarians at Twickenham that Kaino went in and around Mat Rogers to score?
Spent all day embarrassing him. Glorious.
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@gt12 exactly.
Young Kaino was a serious athlete.
I believe it was 2004 on debut ABs v Barbarians at Twickenham that Kaino went in and around Mat Rogers to score?
@KiwiMurph said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@gt12 exactly.
Young Kaino was a serious athlete.
I believe it was 2004 on debut ABs v Barbarians at Twickenham that Kaino went in and around Mat Rogers to score?
Hang on am I reading this right ? In order to become a great blindside you have to lose your athleticism?
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@KiwiMurph said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@gt12 exactly.
Young Kaino was a serious athlete.
I believe it was 2004 on debut ABs v Barbarians at Twickenham that Kaino went in and around Mat Rogers to score?
Hang on am I reading this right ? In order to become a great blindside you have to lose your athleticism?
@MN5 said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@KiwiMurph said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@gt12 exactly.
Young Kaino was a serious athlete.
I believe it was 2004 on debut ABs v Barbarians at Twickenham that Kaino went in and around Mat Rogers to score?
Hang on am I reading this right ? In order to become a great blindside you have to lose your athleticism?
If thats the case I would have been a superlative blindside.
I think you read it wrong.
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@MN5 said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@KiwiMurph said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@gt12 exactly.
Young Kaino was a serious athlete.
I believe it was 2004 on debut ABs v Barbarians at Twickenham that Kaino went in and around Mat Rogers to score?
Hang on am I reading this right ? In order to become a great blindside you have to lose your athleticism?
If thats the case I would have been a superlative blindside.
I think you read it wrong.
@jegga said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@MN5 said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@KiwiMurph said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@gt12 exactly.
Young Kaino was a serious athlete.
I believe it was 2004 on debut ABs v Barbarians at Twickenham that Kaino went in and around Mat Rogers to score?
Hang on am I reading this right ? In order to become a great blindside you have to lose your athleticism?
If thats the case I would have been a superlative blindside.
I think you read it wrong.
Well no I’m not. Apparently you can’t be tough and an athlete at the same time.
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@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chester-Draws Kaino was an athlete type player.
No he wasn't. He wasn't fast (compared to young Messam he was slow). He wasn't fabulous in the air, winning strings of lineouts and kickoffs. He wasn't nimble. When you think of him, what special athletic powers did he have others striving for his position don't?
He was a hard man who hit hard and made few mistakes. He was fit. He had a bit of explosive power, but it didn't translate into many line breaks, for instance.
No-one doubts his worth. But he was no more naturally athletic than any of his competitors.
@Chester-Draws yeah but nah, incorrect. You're missing a fair chunk of his career as others have politely pointed out.
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@sparky You've been watching too many "Friends"re-runs!
Regain control of your Television!
