CWC Semi Final - Black Caps v India
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Rain has been the single biggest factor in getting NZ to CWC semi finals
India dust up NZ if their game isn't rain affected, hence NZ get an extra point they weren't getting
Pakistan also were odds on to beat Sri Lanka as well
Even yesterday NZ gets an extra day to hope and pray for a miracle
India spent last night getting wasted or Boult skitling 4-5 guys@Jaguares4real said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
Pakistan also were odds on to beat Sri Lanka as well
Famous last words.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
the best teams don't miss the knockouts (even with rain)
I'd argue that the rain directly affected 4th place:
7th June Pakistan get rained off against Sri Lanka - tho while Pakistan were clearly the better team through the tournament, they'd just been humbled by WI.
13th June NZ get rained off against India - and looking at the form guide you'd say that is a definite loss for NZ, which would take them out of contention.
Of course the permutations from there are all academic.
@NTA said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
the best teams don't miss the knockouts (even with rain)
I'd argue that the rain directly affected 4th place:
Absolutely.
But we're arguing about teams making up the numbers, on the fringe. Both us and Pakistan had our chances to qualify, and neither of us are top drawer. You could have thrown a rain washout at any of the top 3 against Afghanistan, and they'd still qualify.
I'm far happier with this tournament format, than (say) the South African world cup where one washout and a surprise loss could cost good teams the chance of post-season play. In this tourney, you should play every side, so really have no one to blame but yourself.
Besides, we're in bonus territory now. Forcing india to a second day ... that's good work from the boys
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@NTA said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
the best teams don't miss the knockouts (even with rain)
I'd argue that the rain directly affected 4th place:
Absolutely.
But we're arguing about teams making up the numbers, on the fringe. Both us and Pakistan had our chances to qualify, and neither of us are top drawer. You could have thrown a rain washout at any of the top 3 against Afghanistan, and they'd still qualify.
I'm far happier with this tournament format, than (say) the South African world cup where one washout and a surprise loss could cost good teams the chance of post-season play. In this tourney, you should play every side, so really have no one to blame but yourself.
Besides, we're in bonus territory now. Forcing india to a second day ... that's good work from the boys
@nzzp said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
I'm far happier with this tournament format, than (say) the South African world cup where one washout and a surprise loss could cost good teams the chance of post-season play. In this tourney, you should play every side, so really have no one to blame but yourself.
The 1999/2003 World Cup wasn't a bad format - it was just they scheduled a bunch of Kenya and Zimbabwe fixtures which ended up in forfeits and Baz and Cairns doing shirtless Hakas in Durban nightclubs. The only functional issue was at least two major nations missed the Super Six stage which ended their tournament very prematurely.
The 1992/2019 format has it's issues; those mainly being at the fringes where a NR mid-game against England absolutely got Pakistan in the finals in 1992 and arguably kept them out this tournament.
In many ways the 1996/2015 format is the best; most teams play each other and you get more winner-take-all-fixtures. But it is probably the least likely to turn out the best team as champion given the three knockout rounds and many pool matches are low stakes.
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with all of the laughing and antics from Kohli last night he must think it is in the bag. Win or lose it would make my tournament to see a Boult or Fergusson screamer rattle his stumps early on.
Hoping we can get to 250 at least so we have some sort of target to help us create early pressure
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So how does it work, tv said we have restricted overs to finish our inningd but India get the full complement unless there is further rain?
Didn't sound right to me.
@taniwharugby said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
So how does it work, tv said we have restricted overs to finish our inningd but India get the full complement unless there is further rain?
Didn't sound right to me.
We start the day with enough time get the full remainder of the game in - so they will start with that aim. It seems like it will be raining though so somewhere about one and a half hours after scheduled lunch they will start losing overs - first the remainder of NZ innings and then India's overs until 20 overs can't be played.
We could be in a dumb position where NZ bat out their six overs and India bat 19 overs and we get a No Result - but if after two days you can't get a result fair play.
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The issue for us is we have to go hard to set a target but also be mindful that if further rain limits the day then retention of wickets is vital to ensure a meaningful target is set under D/L. All made more difficult because Taylor will have to start his innings again.
Best case scenario we get 50 overs set 250 knock India's top off. India get to 20 overs and D/L hands us victory
Most likely - Roscoe goes second ball we fold for 220 and India walk it.
Most satisfying - a full 100 overs game. We set 250 and roll India for 93.
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The issue for us is we have to go hard to set a target but also be mindful that if further rain limits the day then retention of wickets is vital to ensure a meaningful target is set under D/L. All made more difficult because Taylor will have to start his innings again.
Best case scenario we get 50 overs set 250 knock India's top off. India get to 20 overs and D/L hands us victory
Most likely - Roscoe goes second ball we fold for 220 and India walk it.
Most satisfying - a full 100 overs game. We set 250 and roll India for 93.
@dogmeat said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
We set 250 and roll India for 93.
Not satisfying enough; India's lowest ODI total is 63 and lowest against NZ is 88, so you need to beat at least one of those.
Then in the other semi, have both days washed out and England kicked out of their own tournament due to shitty weather.
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There is nothing more humiliating than when injured on a rugby field as a kid and your mum comes rushing on the field.
Laura McGoldrick: "Hold my Beer"
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
We set 250 and roll India for 93.
Not satisfying enough; India's lowest ODI total is 63 and lowest against NZ is 88, so you need to beat at least one of those.
Then in the other semi, have both days washed out and England kicked out of their own tournament due to shitty weather.
@NTA said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
We set 250 and roll India for 93.
Not satisfying enough
Its my fucking fantasy! Fuck off you with your shiny CWC trophies. piston wristed gibbon
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
We set 250 and roll India for 93.
Not satisfying enough; India's lowest ODI total is 63 and lowest against NZ is 88, so you need to beat at least one of those.
Then in the other semi, have both days washed out and England kicked out of their own tournament due to shitty weather.
@NTA said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
We set 250 and roll India for 93.
Not satisfying enough; India's lowest ODI total is 63 and lowest against NZ is 88, so you need to beat at least one of those.
Then in the other semi, have both days washed out and England kicked out of their own tournament due to shitty weather.
Dominic Decocco !!!
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There is nothing more humiliating than when injured on a rugby field as a kid and your mum comes rushing on the field.
Laura McGoldrick: "Hold my Beer"
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
There is nothing more humiliating than when injured on a rugby field as a kid and your mum comes rushing on the field.
Laura McGoldrick: "Hold my Beer"
I bet a few seconds motorboating those makes Guppy forget if he got a royal golden duck or 1000 not out.
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I think people are underestimating the difficulties of batting on that pitch yesterday. I would back Kane and Taylor to read the pitch and conditions and set targets.
My gut feel is that they think the pitch is hard to play your shots early on.
Setting a target of 250 in a CWC semi final with a overcast sky, and rain around.... not bad.
I also dont rate the Indian batting line up as highly as others in those conditions. They have a LOT of attacking batsmen that can take you apart, but if the ball nips around just a bit , we could get those guys out. I would bet that if we get Kholi and Sharma out cheaply, we are heavy favourites. Who else do they have that lineup that would have the patience and technique of Kane and Taylor. Obviously Rahul, but he is hit and miss and could actually be too cautious and create scoreboard pressure.
If it stays cloudy I reckon it is a 50/50 prospect , if it is a bit sunny.. def adv the Indians.Interesting quirk, apart from 4 overs, both teams will be batting in morning conditions.
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I think people are underestimating the difficulties of batting on that pitch yesterday. I would back Kane and Taylor to read the pitch and conditions and set targets.
My gut feel is that they think the pitch is hard to play your shots early on.
Setting a target of 250 in a CWC semi final with a overcast sky, and rain around.... not bad.
I also dont rate the Indian batting line up as highly as others in those conditions. They have a LOT of attacking batsmen that can take you apart, but if the ball nips around just a bit , we could get those guys out. I would bet that if we get Kholi and Sharma out cheaply, we are heavy favourites. Who else do they have that lineup that would have the patience and technique of Kane and Taylor. Obviously Rahul, but he is hit and miss and could actually be too cautious and create scoreboard pressure.
If it stays cloudy I reckon it is a 50/50 prospect , if it is a bit sunny.. def adv the Indians.Interesting quirk, apart from 4 overs, both teams will be batting in morning conditions.
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
I think people are underestimating the difficulties of batting on that pitch yesterday. I would back Kane and Taylor to read the pitch and conditions and set targets.
My gut feel is that they think the pitch is hard to play your shots early on.
Setting a target of 250 in a CWC semi final with a overcast sky, and rain around.... not bad.
I also dont rate the Indian batting line up as highly as pothers in those conditions. They have a LOT of attacking batsmen that can take you apart, but if the ball nips around just a bit , we could get those guys out. I would bet that if we get Kholi and Sharma out cheaply, we are heavy favourites. Who else do they have that lineup that would have the patience and tegchnique of Kane and Taylor. Obviously Rahul, but he is hit and miss and could actually be too cautious and crate scoreboard pressure.
If it stays cloudy I reckon it is a 50/50 preospect , if it is a bit sunny.. def adv the Indians.Interesting quirk, apart from 4 overs, both teams will be batting in morning conditions.
A thousand curses on you for giving me a glimmer of hope!!!
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I think people are underestimating the difficulties of batting on that pitch yesterday. I would back Kane and Taylor to read the pitch and conditions and set targets.
My gut feel is that they think the pitch is hard to play your shots early on.
Setting a target of 250 in a CWC semi final with a overcast sky, and rain around.... not bad.
I also dont rate the Indian batting line up as highly as others in those conditions. They have a LOT of attacking batsmen that can take you apart, but if the ball nips around just a bit , we could get those guys out. I would bet that if we get Kholi and Sharma out cheaply, we are heavy favourites. Who else do they have that lineup that would have the patience and technique of Kane and Taylor. Obviously Rahul, but he is hit and miss and could actually be too cautious and create scoreboard pressure.
If it stays cloudy I reckon it is a 50/50 prospect , if it is a bit sunny.. def adv the Indians.Interesting quirk, apart from 4 overs, both teams will be batting in morning conditions.
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
If it stays cloudy I reckon it is a 50/50 prospect , if it is a bit sunny.. def adv the Indians.
Get down the TAB - NZ is a $5 outsider
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
If it stays cloudy I reckon it is a 50/50 prospect , if it is a bit sunny.. def adv the Indians.
Get down the TAB - NZ is a $5 outsider
@nzzp was $4 When I put a few on them before they started...
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I think people are underestimating the difficulties of batting on that pitch yesterday. I would back Kane and Taylor to read the pitch and conditions and set targets.
My gut feel is that they think the pitch is hard to play your shots early on.
Setting a target of 250 in a CWC semi final with a overcast sky, and rain around.... not bad.
I also dont rate the Indian batting line up as highly as others in those conditions. They have a LOT of attacking batsmen that can take you apart, but if the ball nips around just a bit , we could get those guys out. I would bet that if we get Kholi and Sharma out cheaply, we are heavy favourites. Who else do they have that lineup that would have the patience and technique of Kane and Taylor. Obviously Rahul, but he is hit and miss and could actually be too cautious and create scoreboard pressure.
If it stays cloudy I reckon it is a 50/50 prospect , if it is a bit sunny.. def adv the Indians.Interesting quirk, apart from 4 overs, both teams will be batting in morning conditions.
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
I think people are underestimating the difficulties of batting on that pitch yesterday. I would back Kane and Taylor to read the pitch and conditions and set targets.
My gut feel is that they think the pitch is hard to play your shots early on.
Setting a target of 250 in a CWC semi final with a overcast sky, and rain around.... not bad.
I also dont rate the Indian batting line up as highly as others in those conditions. They have a LOT of attacking batsmen that can take you apart, but if the ball nips around just a bit , we could get those guys out. I would bet that if we get Kholi and Sharma out cheaply, we are heavy favourites. Who else do they have that lineup that would have the patience and technique of Kane and Taylor. Obviously Rahul, but he is hit and miss and could actually be too cautious and create scoreboard pressure.
If it stays cloudy I reckon it is a 50/50 prospect , if it is a bit sunny.. def adv the Indians.Interesting quirk, apart from 4 overs, both teams will be batting in morning conditions.
Yep, if we can add another 20 - 30 quick runs, I see another fairly sleepless night looming...
