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<p>I come back to what I said above. Would you want a committee of graphic designers (who may not even be interested in rugby or sport) selecting the AB's. Disagree all you like but it's what has happened here. With a predictable outcome</p>
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<p>Please post this list of flag picking experts.</p>
<p>Not a list of designers and graphics artists, they are not flag picking experts.</p> -
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<p>I said a committee of 6 above with half having appropriate training and proven work experience and the other half related skills. Like a flag expert and head of an adverting agency</p>
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<p>No inappropriate selections like an ex AB. Its like the chairmen of NZRU might not be the best AB selector</p>
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<p>There are people with flag design qualifications? Where do they offer that course? AUT? Must be a very niche position.</p>
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<p>No matter how much you rabbit on about designers knowing best about choosing a flag, doesnt make it so.</p> -
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<p>I come back to what I said above. Would you want a committee of graphic designers (who may not even be interested in rugby or sport) selecting the AB's. Disagree all you like but it's what has happened here. With a predictable outcome</p>
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<p>Graphic designers are graphic designers. We aren't picking the flag that looks the best. We are picking the flag which represents us as people. How would graphic designers know that?</p> -
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<p>I come back to what I said above. Would you want a committee of graphic designers (who may not even be interested in rugby or sport) selecting the AB's. Disagree all you like but it's what has happened here. With a predictable outcome</p>
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<p>you keep saying this shit like it means something. it's a shit analogy, and it's a retarded idea. No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it right. Hydro and Baron have laid my thoughts out. that's three of us. on this page. Proving my point. </p> -
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<p><strong>Rubbish. If there had been a committee of experts who selected 4 good different options the outcome would have been very different</strong></p>
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<p>If a committe of experts had picked a flag with a snapper and a rugby ball some woulda thought it was the best thing ever! You will never please everyone.......there you go on your qualifications/experience line again...</p> -
<p>86% say yes</p>
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Poll: Should the Red Peak flag be included as an option in the flag referendum?<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-align:left;"><br>
Read more: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/story/poll-should-the-red-peak-flag-be-included-as-an-option-in-the-flag-referendum-2015090714#ixzz3l20cPQrN'>http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/story/poll-should-the-red-peak-flag-be-included-as-an-option-in-the-flag-referendum-2015090714#ixzz3l20cPQrN</a></div>
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<p>86% say yes</p>
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<p>I just voted 6 times....</p>
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<p>cool poll bro... but maybe they should have used more poll 'experts' </p> -
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<p>From memory, when Hunterwasser designed his flag back in the early 1980s, he (an Austrian) was careful to offer it merely as a suggestion, he didn't expect his flag to be flown, he merely wanted to inject an idea into mainstream Kiwi thought that, hey, you really should identify yourself with a signature flag, and was careful to suggest it should be designed by a Kiwi. I would prefer the design not get outsourced, it should be home-grown. </p>
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<p>Ha, it was the Hundertwasser Art Museum I referred to earlier that went to referendum up here...</p> -
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<p>I just voted 6 times....</p>
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<p>cool poll bro... but maybe they should have used more poll 'experts' </p>
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<p>I don't think i can trust anyone who votes on a poll who isn't a qualified market researcher! i mean, we don't let graphic designers select the All Blacks...</p> -
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<p>I said a committee of 6 above with half having appropriate training and proven work experience and the other half related skills. Like a flag expert and head of an adverting agency</p>
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<p>No inappropriate selections like an ex AB.</p>
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<p>Its like the chairmen of NZRU might not be the best AB selector but might be on the committee ... But a graphical designer with no interest in rugby is inappropriate</p>
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<p>Why is a former ab captain and coach not appropriate? </p> -
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<p>Ha, it was the Hundertwasser Art Museum I referred to earlier that went to referendum up here...</p>
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<p>I looked at that Art Museum's plans - it looked nice. Would check out if I was up in Whangarei. Anyway, Hundertwasser who was a famous artist obviously though a koru, or a 'corporate logo' could be acceptable for a national flag. Good thing for Winger he wasn't on the panel!</p> -
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<p>I just voted 6 times....</p>
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<p>cool poll bro... but maybe they should have used more poll 'experts' </p>
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<p>Its only a poll to include the Red Peak in the final 4 or 5</p>
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<p>its obvious that this should happen. Then let the public decide. If the public went for one of the other awful deigns then so be it</p> -
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<p>Why is a former ab captain and coach not appropriate? </p>
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<p> For the reason given above</p>
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<p>If BJ has had some appropriate work experience then great. But I doubt it</p> -
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<p>Its only a poll to include the Red Peak in the final 4 or 5</p>
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<p>its obvious that this should happen. Then let the public decide. If the public went for one of the other awful deigns then so be it</p>
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<p>Obvious to who? I think it is obvious it should not be included.</p> -
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<p> For the reason given above</p>
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<p>If BJ has had some appropriate work experience then great. But I doubt it</p>
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<p>Where is this flag design industry in which BJ could have gained work experience?</p> -
<p>Graphic designers, public relations experts, media experts, imaging teams, marketing folks - basically every professional to do with design and representation all went into a room together to come up with an iconic logo, for an iconic sporting event.</p>
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<p>After significant, time and costs, they represented and unveiled their final design, (labelling it catchy, modern, exciting and all sorts of other marketing type words), to huge fanfare and accolades. Designers the world over were all blown away that such a modern and exciting twist could be put in the most traditional of events in the most traditional of countries.</p>
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<p>When the design was shown to the globe, they rest of the planet immediately saw the same thing. A famous 8 year old cartoon character performing fellatio. There is no right and wrong process. But what can be viewed by many as the most right process, has in history proved to come up with the most wrong result.</p> -
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<p>Its only a poll to include the Red Peak in the final 4 or 5</p>
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<p>its obvious that this should happen. <strong>Then let the public decide. If the public went for one of the other awful deigns then so be it</strong></p>
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<p>Great idea! </p>
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There's a thread on planet rugby about the flag , reading the posts of the supporters of the red peak - don , eugenius and a couple of others should be enough to turn you off it. I think the saddest thing is every post they make had something pathetic about Key in it.
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<p>see, Nyan kiwi speaks to us. the blue represents how our island home is surrounded by ocean. We are all kiwis, and some of us are gay, but we can all see the southern cross. </p>
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<p>whereas the other one just reminds me of Dan Carter lining up a kick in Argentina, why should we commemorate that disgraceful episode?</p> -
<p>was Cruden wasnt it?</p>
