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JC

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And RE "nobody give a shit". True up until Red Peak. But now it seems people are finally taking an interest. And thank god this incompetent committee has made their limited top 4 decision so we can now move on. Hopefully to a good replacement flag. Maybe not now but within the next 5-10 years
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11511397'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11511397</a>
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What, "Red Peak" has made lots of people care about a designer for Nike having worked on washing machines? Nah.
 
BTW, linking to a column by Toby Manhire hardly lends credibility to an argument. You might as well link to Rattue to prove a point about rugby.

Winger

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What, "Red Peak" has made lots of people care about a designer for Nike having worked on washing machines? Nah.
 
BTW, linking to a column by Toby Manhire hardly lends credibility to an argument. You might as well link to Rattue to prove a point about rugby.
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I would like to see TWO new flags added
 
Red Peak
and
A professional designed decent black and white only silver fern flag
 
Do you agree with this?

Mokey

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<img src="https://41.media.tumblr.com/59b4502e58e64e97c6dfa2ea585a4d1e/tumblr_inline_nuhno01kQb1rzvgly_540.jpg" alt="tumblr_inline_nuhno01kQb1rzvgly_540.jpg">
 
More black. Check.
Lose the gold. Check.
Sheep. Check.
Red peak. Check-check.
 
(There's no satisfying some people.)
 
Anythin' else required to make this the perfect Peoples' Flag...?
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Now you mention it, I'm pretty sure we need something from LOTR to represent tourism and the booming film industry.

Winger

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Now you mention it, I'm pretty sure we need something from LOTR to represent tourism and the booming film industry.
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You should have been on the committee

dogmeat

I saw this yesterday and thought at the time it would add to the flag debate
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.buzzfeed.com/kimberleydadds/the-21-most-glorious-photos-of-bilbo-baggins-giving-the-fing'><img height="389" src="http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr03/24/5/enhanced-buzz-8066-1382607107-16.jpg" width="500" alt="enhanced-buzz-8066-1382607107-16.jpg"></a>

Winger

I've bought my Red Peak flags
 
I might take them to the rugby
 
1x Standard 3/4 Flag - 1200 x 600 for $49.95 each 
1x Hand Waver Flag for $17.95 each 
Subtotal : $67.90 NZD 
Shipping : $18.00 NZD 
Total : $85.90 NZD

JC

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I would like to see TWO new flags added
 
Red Peak
and
A professional designed decent black and white only silver fern flag
 
Do you agree with this?
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No.
- There was a process that I could have chosen to partake in. I didn't.
- I understood that that meant I'd abdicate responsibility to those that did participate because I know how democracy works.
- I knew who was on the panel because it was published. I never cared that renowned vexillologist Sir Richard Pompalope wasn't invited onto the committee, or that Philippe Starck didn't have any input. I never lobbied the govern to to get them to revise the panel to make it designer-led. Presumably you did at the appropriate time.
- I knew how much it would cost because that was in the public domain.
- I knew the path that the decision making process would take because that was outlined and scrupulously followed.
- I don't expect the rules to be changed now because the outcome wasn't one I wanted, or because I now have a case of remorse because I was late to the party and now want a second chance.
- I will get a chance to vote on one of the 4 designs if I want to take it. I might.
- I will get a chance to vote on whether the winner of the first vote displaces our existing flag. I might.
 
I'm fine with all of this. You're not. That's OK, but don't expect me to care that you're not fine with it, no matter how many times you repeat the same thing. Which is a lot.

Winger

The flag consideration Panels other selections. First for a new family car
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheFlagConsiderationPanelsOtherSelections?src=hash'>https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheFlagConsiderationPanelsOtherSelections?src=hash</a>
 
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Winger

Other selections
 
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jegga

Winger those articles you linked are bullshit in a number of ways first and foremost no one has accused Simpson of bring a leftard shit stirrer, a decent number of the people pushing red peak are though and they aren't helping your cause .Here's a left wing blogger admitting it along with a number of other good points 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://dimpost.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/and-another/'>https://dimpost.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/and-another/</a>

jegga

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Other selections <img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COh_WLHUYAAMVhe.png" alt="COh_WLHUYAAMVhe.png"></blockquote>
Based on your love for the flag geeks selections I'm guessing you drive one of the three wheelers? Perhaps the yellow one?

Catogrande

Winger, now you've mentioned the Dome I feel able to add something to the thread. The problem with and the unpopularity of the Dome wasn't because it was shit but because it wasn't actually a dome.

Winger

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Winger, now you've mentioned the Dome I feel able to add something to the thread. The problem with and the unpopularity of the Dome wasn't because it was shit but because it wasn't actually a dome.
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Did you go to it when it first opened?
 
It was not very good

Winger

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Based on your love for the flag geeks selections I'm guessing you drive one of the three wheelers? Perhaps the yellow one?
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If I had to pick one it would be the black one. But I would prefer this one added as an option
 
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taniwharugby

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I've bought my Red Peak flags
 
I might take them to the rugby
 
1x Standard 3/4 Flag - 1200 x 600 for $49.95 each 
1x Hand Waver Flag for $17.95 each 
Subtotal : $67.90 NZD 
Shipping : $18.00 NZD 
Total : $85.90 NZD
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they'll be collectors when the referendum is done and we get one of the 4 or keep the status quo! 
 
I went to the dome.

canefan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Winger" data-cid="515041" data-time="1441950695">I've bought my Red Peak flags 
 
I might take them to the rugby 
 
1x Standard 3/4 Flag - 1200 x 600 for $49.95 each 
1x Hand Waver Flag for $17.95 each 
Subtotal : $67.90 NZD 
Shipping : $18.00 NZD 
Total : $85.90 NZD</blockquote>If it doesn't make it in late you can always store it away with your Betamax player

Catogrande

Winger, no I didn't go, in protest as it wasn't a Dome. And yes by all accounts it was shit but everyone* hated it before they even knew it was shit.
 
*By everyone I of course mean the several people that I could be bothered to talk to about it.

Winger

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Winger, no I didn't go, in protest as it wasn't a Dome. And yes by all accounts it was shit but everyone* hated it before they even knew it was shit.
 
*By everyone I of course mean the several people that I could be bothered to talk to about it.
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I went to it with an open mind
 
It was dreadful to the extent that it shocked me. How could so much money be spent for something so shit.
 
Cost <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling' title="Pound sterling">Â£</a> 789 million 
(Â£1.22 billion in 2015 pounds<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Dome#cite_note-inflation-UK-1'>[1]</a>) <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar' title="United States dollar">$</a> 1,27 billion 
($1.8 billion in 2015 dollars<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Dome#cite_note-inflation-US-2'>[2]</a>)

jegga

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I've bought my Red Peak flags
 
I might take them to the rugby
 
1x Standard 3/4 Flag - 1200 x 600 for $49.95 each 
1x Hand Waver Flag for $17.95 each 
Subtotal : $67.90 NZD 
Shipping : $18.00 NZD 
Total : $85.90 NZD
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When I shifted into a house a while ago we found some balloons from the 1990 sesqui, if I still had them I could buy some red peak flags and start a collection of worthless kiwi memorabilia . We could add the social credit matchbox my son found in our attic and Martin Devlins single from the 1999 rwc I acquired somewhere but never actually wanted.

Rancid Schnitzel

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It was dreadful to the extent that it shocked me. How could so much money be spent for something so shit. 
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Says the guy who just paid 85 bucks for a flag with the logo of an engineering company on it. Yep, money well spent that.

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