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Winger those articles you linked are bullshit in a number of ways first and foremost no one has accused Simpson of bring a leftard shit stirrer, a decent number of the people pushing red peak are though and they aren't helping your cause .Here's a left wing blogger admitting it along with a number of other good points<br>
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://dimpost.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/and-another/'>https://dimpost.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/and-another/</a> -
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Other selections<br><br><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COh_WLHUYAAMVhe.png" alt="COh_WLHUYAAMVhe.png"></p></blockquote>
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<p>Winger, now you've mentioned the Dome I feel able to add something to the thread. The problem with and the unpopularity of the Dome wasn't because it was shit but because it wasn't actually a dome.</p>
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<p>Winger, now you've mentioned the Dome I feel able to add something to the thread. The problem with and the unpopularity of the Dome wasn't because it was shit but because it wasn't actually a dome.</p>
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<p>Did you go to it when it first opened?</p>
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<p>Based on your love for the flag geeks selections I'm guessing you drive one of the three wheelers? Perhaps the yellow one?</p>
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<p>If I had to pick one it would be the black one. But I would prefer this one added as an option</p>
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<p>I've bought my Red Peak flags</p>
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<p>I might take them to the rugby</p>
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<p>1x Standard 3/4 Flag - 1200 x 600 for $49.95 each<br>
1x Hand Waver Flag for $17.95 each<br><br>
Subtotal : $67.90 NZD<br>
Shipping : $18.00 NZD<br>
Total : $85.90 NZD</p>
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<p>they'll be collectors when the referendum is done and we get one of the 4 or keep the status quo! </p>
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<p>I went to the dome.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Winger" data-cid="515041" data-time="1441950695"><p>I've bought my Red Peak flags<br>
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I might take them to the rugby<br>
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1x Standard 3/4 Flag - 1200 x 600 for $49.95 each<br>
1x Hand Waver Flag for $17.95 each<br>
Subtotal : $67.90 NZD<br>
Shipping : $18.00 NZD<br>
Total : $85.90 NZD</p></blockquote>If it doesn't make it in late you can always store it away with your Betamax player -
<p>Winger, no I didn't go, in protest as it wasn't a Dome. And yes by all accounts it was shit but everyone* hated it before they even knew it was shit.</p>
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<p>Winger, no I didn't go, in protest as it wasn't a Dome. And yes by all accounts it was shit but everyone* hated it before they even knew it was shit.</p>
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<p>*By everyone I of course mean the several people that I could be bothered to talk to about it.</p>
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<p>I went to it with an open mind</p>
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<p>It was dreadful to the extent that it shocked me. How could so much money be spent for something so shit.</p>
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<p>Cost <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling' title="Pound sterling">£</a> 789 million<br>
(£1.22 billion in 2015 pounds<sup><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Dome#cite_note-inflation-UK-1'><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a></sup>)<br><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar' title="United States dollar">$</a> 1,27 billion<br>
($1.8 billion in 2015 dollars<sup><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Dome#cite_note-inflation-US-2'><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a></sup>)</p> -
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<p>I've bought my Red Peak flags</p>
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<p>I might take them to the rugby</p>
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<p>1x Standard 3/4 Flag - 1200 x 600 for $49.95 each<br>
1x Hand Waver Flag for $17.95 each<br><br>
Subtotal : $67.90 NZD<br>
Shipping : $18.00 NZD<br>
Total : $85.90 NZD</p>
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<p>When I shifted into a house a while ago we found some balloons from the 1990 sesqui, if I still had them I could buy some red peak flags and start a collection of worthless kiwi memorabilia . We could add the social credit matchbox my son found in our attic and Martin Devlins single from the 1999 rwc I acquired somewhere but never actually wanted. </p> -
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It was dreadful to the extent that it shocked me. How could so much money be spent for something so shit.<br><br>
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Says the guy who just paid 85 bucks for a flag with the logo of an engineering company on it. Yep, money well spent that. -
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<p>Says the guy who just paid 85 bucks for a flag with the logo of an engineering company on it. Yep, money well spent that.</p>
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<p>I've run out of likes , that was gold though. I can't believe anyone would buy a red peak. It'll be something find every now and then stashed somewhere in your house and you'll feel the same way about as you do the photos your mum has of you as a teenager with a mullet.</p> -
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<p>Says the guy who just paid 85 bucks for a flag with the logo of an engineering company on it. Yep, money well spent that.</p>
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<p>But the XR is good now so not much in UK £s</p> -
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But the XR is good now so not much in UK £s</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-time="1441965319" data-cid="515111" data-author="jegga"><p>I've run out of likes , that was gold though. I can't believe anyone would buy a red peak. It'll be something find every now and then stashed somewhere in your house and you'll feel the same way about as you do the photos your mum has of you as a teenager with a mullet.</p></blockquote><br>Imagine the conversation if one of the kids finds it.<br><br>"What's that dad?"<br>"That my son should have been our nation's flag."<br>"Why wasn't it dad?"<br>"Because the stupid bastards didn't let the vexillologists do their job."<br>"What the fuck is a vexillologist?"
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But the XR is good now so not much in UK £s</p></blockquote>
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That is the same as my wife buying that pair of shoes she didn't need cos they were on special!<br><br>
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This is the best thread in the history of the Internet. A doff of the cap to RT he is a vex.. a vexo.. a vexil... a flag nut of the highest order
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<p>It is great that people buy the red peak flag, makes it obvious who the morons are in the crowd.</p>
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<p>If I state the following as "fact" does that cancel Wingers opinions?</p>
<p>Red Peak is shit.</p>
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<p>Or do I have to re-post it 150 times and yell louder?</p>
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<p>I dig the symbolism in it's development - nice that it's got some reason behind it. But the end result is bland and does not speak "New Zealand" to me. Looks like it was designed by a graphic designer - with end result being a passionless triangle.</p>
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<p>I'm the most traditionalist person I know. I didn't think I would ever advocate for a flag change.</p>
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<p>But I am. And I like the Lockwood designs - and I have come around to Black and Blue. The imagery speaks "New Zealand". It has the Southern Cross of "my" flag. It has the colours of NZ - red, white and blue AND black. It has the silver fern which is an iconic image of New Zealand. It retains history and gives me the impression we are looking to progress as a young country.</p>
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<p>Red Peak is just so Meh as an image. Any country could have a flag of stripes and triangles. Many do. At first glance nobody is going to say wow - you're defined by ... um a stripe and a triangle.</p>
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<p>In contrast I think people would look at my preferred flag and realise that the symbols on there mean something to New Zealand - even if they don't know what they mean.</p>
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<p>The process may not be perfect but realistically it's pretty good. The flag committee are New Zealanders who obviously looked for symbols unique to NZ. (A triangle isn't ... any country can have a triangle).</p>
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<p>I don't like the koru or fern options. </p>
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<p>But that is my opinion. And I'm mature enough to admit it is opinion.</p>
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<p>Now I've read this thread this morning can I have my three hours back?</p> -
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<p>If I state the following as "fact" does that cancel Wingers opinions?</p>
<p>Red Peak is shit.</p>
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<p>Or do I have to re-post it 150 times and yell louder?</p>
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<p>I dig the symbolism in it's development - nice that it's got some reason behind it. But the end result is bland and does not speak "New Zealand" to me. Looks like it was designed by a graphic designer - with end result being a passionless triangle.</p>
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<p>I'm the most traditionalist person I know. I didn't think I would ever advocate for a flag change.</p>
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<p>But I am. And I like the Lockwood designs - and I have come around to Black and Blue. The imagery speaks "New Zealand". It has the Southern Cross of "my" flag. It has the colours of NZ - red, white and blue AND black. It has the silver fern which is an iconic image of New Zealand. It retains history and gives me the impression we are looking to progress as a young country.</p>
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<p>Red Peak is just so Meh as an image. Any country could have a flag of stripes and triangles. Many do. At first glance nobody is going to say wow - you're defined by ... um a stripe and a triangle.</p>
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<p>In contrast I think people would look at my preferred flag and realise that the symbols on there mean something to New Zealand - even if they don't know what they mean.</p>
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<p>The process may not be perfect but realistically it's pretty good. The flag committee are New Zealanders who obviously looked for symbols unique to NZ. (A triangle isn't ... any country can have a triangle).</p>
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<p>I don't like the koru or fern options. </p>
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<p>But that is my opinion. And I'm mature enough to admit it is opinion.</p>
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<p>Now I've read this thread this morning can I have my three hours back?</p>
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<p>But this process should not be just all about what John wants booboo.</p>
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<p>I'm repeating myself but it should have been a vote to give the public a range of quality varied options that they can vote on. So have one fern (or maybe two at max). But not three out of four and one non fern option that hasn't a hope of being selected. This is no choice at all.</p>
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<p>And you may like the black and blue fern option but for me its shit. The blue used is the wrong blue. The fern design is not great. The black and blue should swap positions. Do we accept an OK flag at best or start again and do it right next time. Where we get a real choice. 1 fern and three other quality non fern options would be my preference.</p>
