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canefan

I find it amusing that the plagiarising bastard couldn't even think of a different name, Peak Engineering and Red Peak

No Quarter

Yup Peak Engineering already using the design is a deal breaker. We can't be the country that adopted the logo of a company to use as our flag, no matter how nice the explanation of it may be. 
If they are going to add another flag I'd much prefer it to be Silver Fern on black.

Winger

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Yup Peak Engineering already using the design is a deal breaker. We can't be the country that adopted the logo of a company to use as our flag, no matter how nice the explanation of it may be. 
If they are going to add another flag I'd much prefer it to be Silver Fern on black.
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So have 4 ferns out of 5. Why not drop the only non fern option and make it 4 out of 4

red terror

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So have 4 ferns out of 5. Why not drop the only non fern option and make it 4 out of 4
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Yeah, imagine that? - making one of the choices the option that many Kiwis are already using to identify themselves.
 
I reckon if you put a silver-fern-on-black flag in a head-to-head vote against "red peak," the latter would get it's ass kicked.

Winger

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Yeah, imagine that? - making one of the choices the option that many Kiwis are already using to identify themselves.
 
I reckon if you put a silver-fern-on-black flag in a head-to-head vote against "red peak," the latter would get it's ass kicked.
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Ive said above that two of the flags should have been the red peak and white fern on black. But its too late for another fern flag now. There's already 3 out of 4
 
And I would think the opposite
 
We already have the fern on black for sporting events. Its fine and would still be used for this but not for the main flag. And if that was the only choice and people had the chance to see them outside side by side over time (say flying at many locations around NZ) then the red peak would win.

TeWaio

I've run out of likes, but the theory that Winger is a bot was one of the funniest things I've ever read on here...

Billy Tell

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This is actually quite funny...

taniwharugby

so Labour (Little) claim that Key offering them the opportunity to endorse it is just a ruse...he said they can make the change very easily if they removed one of the existing 4 and replaced it with RP, he also wants to save some $$$ by having the whole shebang done on the same ballot...cant just remove one option as this was picked following the process, if you want to simply remove an option, you may as well start the selection process again, adding an option due to social media pressure...?
 
Not sure how this would work, if you have too many options, as in which of these flags do you like best, and then a Yes or no to change question, it muddies things.
 
I think this is the best way to do it, asking up fornt for change yes or no wont work because it is easy to go with the status quo if you don't have something to go with.
 
Choose the flag, then ask the question, keep this flag or change to this flag, is the best way to go.

Virgil

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Red peak petition. Over 45,000 now. Vote to support NZ'ers having a real alternative to a fern flag <a class="bbc_url" href="https://www.change.org/p/prime-minister-john-key-red-peaks-for-new-zealand-flag">https://www.change.org/p/prime-minister-john-key-red-peaks-for-new-zealand-flag</a> 
I'm confident that if it is added as the 5th flag and people get to see the flag flying outside it will get good support <img src="http://www.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/6/q/9/g/d/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620x349.16q8ww.png/1441679906915.jpg" alt="1441679906915.jpg"></blockquote>
Any flag shown in that setting would look spectacular, but in the cold harsh light of day it looks batshit boring as fuck and as a logo. 
I'd go far as to say the supposed ground swell in favour of peak engineering is due solely to that picture.

Kirwan

Not so much, I was persuaded by that design because of the simplicity of it, and the fact it looks like a flag. Flags need to look good small and large, and the current fern designs look too busy IMO.

WillieTheWaiter

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Any flag shown in that setting would look spectacular, but in the cold harsh light of day it looks batshit boring as fuck and as a logo. 
I'd go far as to say the supposed ground swell in favour of peak engineering is due solely to that picture.
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every time I see that flag I'm just reminded of a british airways plane tail.
 
does nothing for me.

red terror

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every time I see that flag I'm just reminded of a british airways plane tail.
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I wish I was so lucky.
 
Every time I see "red peak," I see this:
 
<img src="http://www.bible-study-lessons.com/images/Dianetics-1.jpg" alt="Dianetics-1.jpg">
 
 
And lest you think I'm ridiculous, yes I am, the Sea Org uses a symbolic triangle to represent their volcano, too.
 
<img src="http://www.dianeticsredwoodcity.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/5square1.jpg" alt="5square1.jpg">
 
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">...the theory that Winger is a bot was one of the funniest things I've ever read on here...</blockquote>
 
(I was beginning to think maybe an Operating Thetan, Level III.)

Winger

<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.change.org/p/prime-minister-john-key-red-peaks-for-new-zealand-flag'>https://www.change.org/p/prime-minister-john-key-red-peaks-for-new-zealand-flag</a>
Just hit 50,000

No Quarter

Just hit the only 50,000 people that give a shit. 
Well I drove past a bar that was flying the AB Silver Fern flag next to another countries. And it looked fucking bad ass. I'm sold.

Winger

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Just hit the only 50,000 people that give a shit. 
Well I drove past a bar that was flying the AB Silver Fern flag next to another countries. And it looked fucking bad ass. I'm sold.
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But its not an option. And it can still be used regardless
 
And two similar but different fern flag will lessen the power of the black and white fern flag.
 
So keep the white fern on black for sports and as an alternative to fly at say a bar. But have another main flag. Like the Red Peak
 
You know it makes sense :i_am_so_happy:

taniwharugby

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But its not an option. And it can still be used regardless
 
And two similar but different fern flag will lessen the power of the black and white fern flag.
 
So keep the white fern on black for sports and as an alternative to fly at say a bar. But have another main flag. Like the Red Peak
 
You know it makes sense :i_am_so_happy:
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Nothing can lessen the power of the back flag with the white/silver fern, nothing! 
 
Must be a wild ride on planet Winger, do they do guided tours, or does it get all Jurrasic park on you?

red terror

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I'd go far as to say the supposed ground swell in favour of peak engineering is due solely to that picture.
 
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Thus Spake Zarathustra
 
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Liberty Leading The People
 
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Thus Spake Liberty
 
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Thus Spake Peak Engineering Leading The People?

Virgil

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Thus Spake Zarathustra <img src="https://40.media.tumblr.com/a03231927c9c814c28ca7b8655b518ea/tumblr_inline_nupjwc9NSo1rzvgly_540.jpg" alt="tumblr_inline_nupjwc9NSo1rzvgly_540.jpg"> 
Liberty Leading The People <img src="https://41.media.tumblr.com/d5a5b502d5750c9f907c8f4e1ba98f04/tumblr_inline_nupjwi99Q41rzvgly_540.jpg" alt="tumblr_inline_nupjwi99Q41rzvgly_540.jpg"> 
Thus Spake Liberty <img src="https://40.media.tumblr.com/d89a45fabdd6beb4fd4eb3655455b982/tumblr_inline_nupjwtt76r1rzvgly_540.jpg" alt="tumblr_inline_nupjwtt76r1rzvgly_540.jpg"> 
Thus Spake Peak Engineering Leading The People?</blockquote>
 
Somewhere a tear is running down Wingers cheek.

Winger

This actually could make sense
 
If 50% or more vote to keep the current flag then its all over
 
If 50% or more vote to change then the winner in part B will compete against the current flag ina future referendum
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/72064224/Andrew-Little-offers-olive-branch-to-John-Key-on-Red-Peak-flag'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/72064224/Andrew-Little-offers-olive-branch-to-John-Key-on-Red-Peak-flag</a>
 
<img src="http://static.stuff.co.nz/files/Labourflagballot.jpg" alt="Labourflagballot.jpg">

taniwharugby

maybe they could manipulate it further, and just vote for which flag you like best, no 'no' vote, just line the 4 flags and the original up for the vote, with FPTP taking it out?
 
I think the process as it has been set out, is the best way to do it.

The Silver Fern

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