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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.change.org/p/prime-minister-john-key-red-peaks-for-new-zealand-flag'>https://www.change.org/p/prime-minister-john-key-red-peaks-for-new-zealand-flag</a></p>
<p>Just hit 50,000</p>
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<p>So about half as popular as an obscure ABC drama cancelled for poor ratings?</p>
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This is great. I would sooner Red Peak is not the winner in a lively interesting referendum - although I think it will be and we will end up with a 2 flag option (fern for sport) we can all be proud of - than we move forward to an inevitable, painful, boring, disappointing, the 4 flags are shit so keep the same flag, conclusion.</p></blockquote>
No it's not great... <br><br>
Of all the things I'd like to put 'lively interesting' energy into, defending the process of a flag referendum isn't it. <br><br>
However, while I like the current flag and would retain it, at least the current four options - even the one I dislike the most - have some sense of Kiwiana/NZ about them that I can relate to. <br><br>
Not only does the red peak have no instant familiarity to it, it has 50,000 people out of 4.6 million (probably 3.2 million-ish of voting age) trying to change the long signalled process at the last minute. A proportion of whom undoubtedly are doing so for political reasons. <br><br>
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<p>Politics aside Don I am not adverse to having a flag which lacks overt signs of kiwiana on it. The RP flag does combine elements of our old flag and the maori flag in terms of the colouration and the blue white and red bit looks a little like the corner of the Union Jack if you use a little imagination. I did like it after hearing the story, and if it wasn't for the fact that the designer appears to have plagiarised the corporate logo of Peak Engineering I think I would have grown to like it even more</p>
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<p>That's the problem with it. It doesn't just look like a corporate logo, it <em>is</em> a coporate logo. Massive deal breaker!</p>
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<p>I could handle the lack of Kiwiana/NZ instant familiarty if it didn't look like a corporate logo :)</p>
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<p>Look like a corporate logo or is a corporate logo?</p>
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<p>And I made the mistake of watching 'Story' on TV3 the other night.. and they wanked on and on and on about how great Red Peak was, they even had the disigner on screen saying that it was better as it didnt look like a brand or logo... this was after it was shown to be an actual corporate logo. The presenters didnt even mention that fact....</p> -
<p>John Campbells legacy lives on, on TV3.</p>
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<p>That's the problem with it. It doesn't just look like a corporate logo, it <em>is</em> a coporate logo. Massive deal breaker!</p>
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<p>I thought it was ok - or at least I preferred it to the four current selections.. but then we found out it was pretty much identical to an existing logo. Fail.</p> -
<p>wonder if Peak Engineering are waiting (hoping) for it to be selected as the NZ flag and then gonna sue?</p>
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<p>wonder if Peak Engineering are waiting (hoping) for it to be selected as the NZ flag and then gonna sue?</p>
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<p>Who knows, could lead to a few more hits on their website!!</p>
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<p>wonder if Peak Engineering are waiting (hoping) for it to be selected as the NZ flag and then gonna sue?</p>
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<p>I honestly can't understand why Labour is pushing the Yes/No vote to be part of the first referendum. That just makes no sense. You can't vote for change if you don't know what you are changing too.</p>
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<p>It's like someone coming up to me and saying "do you want to change your Galaxy Note 3 to another phone?" my immediate questions is "maybe... what phone?". Not me saying "yes" and then they give me one of those shitty old Nokia's from the 90s.</p> -
<p>plus, like JC points out above, if you include 2 questions, do you exclude all those who say no to a change from an opinion on which flag they would choose if it is changed, I mean if they don't want it changed, then they don't care for any of the 4 options.</p>
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<p>If you have the Yes/No straight off, people are less likely to think really engage and think about it if they have the current flag vs, um, a new one that hasn't yet been decided, plus all the conspiracy theorists would be out in force claiming that if you vote yes we'll get some flag Key has selected and you wont get a choice at all.</p> -
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<p>That's the problem with it. It doesn't just look like a corporate logo, it <em>is</em> a coporate logo. <span style="color:#ff0000;">Massive deal breaker!</span></p>
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<p>Only for people who don't want to change. Or prefer one of the other flags</p>
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<p>Because you could search the world and always find a logo or part of a logo that is similar to a flag design. Maybe not the awful one though as no company would want them</p>
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<p>Take the adobe logo for example</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.adobe.com/uk/#'>http://www.adobe.com/uk/#</a></p>
<p>or peak</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://peakengineeringdesign.com/overview/'>http://peakengineeringdesign.com/overview/</a></p>
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<p>The key is the total logo is very different.</p>
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<p>Peak would have no chance of suing and winning. Nil.</p>
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<p>google chrome logo</p>
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<p>Microsoft</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:18px;">The key is the total logo is very different.</span></p>
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<p>I was going to post the below in the "What Are You Listening To" thread, then read the above and decided it was more appropriate here.</p>
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<p>I think the Red Peak flag is shit but bringing up Peak Engineering as if it's a blatant copy is silly. It's not like either of them are some revolutionary new design, chevron's have been used in emblems and flags for thousands of years. Maybe the Greeks should sue both designers.</p>
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<p>I'm not a fan of the current flag at all but all the alternatives seem pretty weak to me and it's annoying that we're probably going to see this debate put back another decade because of the bad choices the government have made regarding it. The Koru's the only one I actually like of the four but I realise that's not going to win with your typical white NZer. The other three seem too flashy and over designed (plus the fern designs are terrible), not the simple, iconic flag we'd want representing our country. Should've just gone with a typical black flag and white fern. Who gives a shit about ISIS, in ten years they'll (hopefully) be nothing more than a bad memory.</p> -
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<p>I think the Red Peak flag is shit but bringing up Peak Engineering as if it's a blatant copy is silly. It's not like either of them are some revolutionary new design, chevron's have been used in emblems and flags for thousands of years. Maybe the Greeks should sue both designers.</p>
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<p>I'm not a fan of the current flag at all but all the alternatives seem pretty weak to me and it's annoying that we're probably going to see this debate put back another decade because of the bad choices the government have made regarding it. The Koru's the only one I actually like of the four but I realise that's not going to win with your typical white NZer. The other three seem too flashy and over designed (plus the fern designs are terrible), not the simple, iconic flag we'd want representing our country. Should've just gone with a typical black flag and white fern. Who gives a shit about ISIS, in ten years they'll (hopefully) be nothing more than a bad memory.</p>
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<p>Bad choices the govt have made? Like what? The only poor choices I have seen are from opposition parties and individuals who want to whinge and bitch from the sidelines and look for ANY excuse to do so.</p>
<p>I am over this petty narrative that the govt has somehow botched the process, which holds up to zero scrutiny. The process is hassle because we are bombarded with the views of a negative vocal minority. That would have happened regardless of the process,.... because John Key is PM and some cannot handle that.</p> -
<p>By the way I stumbled across this</p>
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<p><img src="https://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/group/chrome/attach/213e8c026c8e44b5/de-google-chrome-666-2d326bd.jpg?part=0.1&authuser=0&view=1" alt="de-google-chrome-666-2d326bd.jpg?part=0.">Some Some people have far too much time on their hands (including me at present)</p>
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<p>Although re the Red Peak</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence</a></p> -
<p>Amazing.....</p>
