RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B)
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@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
POTDs for me were Ardie, Frizell and Jordie.
Did you not notice ALB on the field - easily the best player on the park.
He gets the next vote after 3 2 and 1
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
POTDs for me were Ardie, Frizell and Jordie.
Did you not notice ALB on the field - easily the best player on the park.
He gets the next vote after 3 2 and 1
So 4 points.
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@Stargazer said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@Rembrandt said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
honestly what do you do when an opposition is at knee level? Do you just stand down?
Analysis from ITV (Bloody good, BTW ) saying it was for a swinging arm.
And questioned what a player is supposed to do with his limbs when falling down
Just fall on your head, apparently. Can't use your arms to break your fall, because they might touch someone's neck or head.
But then you're at risk of doing a shoulder-charge, which is arguably a much worse offence. Again, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't
@junior said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@Stargazer said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@Rembrandt said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
honestly what do you do when an opposition is at knee level? Do you just stand down?
Analysis from ITV (Bloody good, BTW ) saying it was for a swinging arm.
And questioned what a player is supposed to do with his limbs when falling down
Just fall on your head, apparently. Can't use your arms to break your fall, because they might touch someone's neck or head.
But then you're at risk of doing a shoulder-charge, which is arguably a much worse offence. Again, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't
One of the ITV studio comms (ex Irish rugby player) suggested just using his chest. I'd love to see how that works
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@Rembrandt said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
honestly what do you do when an opposition is at knee level? Do you just stand down?
I guess you have to let him fall and try to stop 8 metres of rabbiting.
At the tryline it's now essential a player dives close at shin height.
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@westcoastie said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@kev said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@No-Quarter you have to wrap your arms, you can’t lead with your shoulder. Have to stand in front and let them hit you, or let them go past and tackle from side.
push the ball carrier into the turf and fall on them.
I think the confusion stems from setting yourself low initially, then he falls , it’s hard to mark adjustments , especially if you are a big bloke
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@westcoastie said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@kev said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@No-Quarter you have to wrap your arms, you can’t lead with your shoulder. Have to stand in front and let them hit you, or let them go past and tackle from side.
push the ball carrier into the turf and fall on them.
I think the confusion stems from setting yourself low initially, then he falls , it’s hard to mark adjustments , especially if you are a big bloke
Exactly, you just cannot win with the way the rules are being implemented at the moment.
Yesterday, the problem was that Lavanini was stood up too high and, therefore, his shoulder was always at risk of crashing into the chin of Farrell (a much shorter man). So, the answer to that problem is to get the body height low and make sure contact is low (i.e. below the shoulders).
Today, we've seen Nepo and Ofa do what they should - set themselves low to ensure contact below the shoulders. However, as soon as they initiate their movement to tackle, the attacking player goes lower, basically removing any possibility to make contact below the shoulders - i.e. completely removing the target. So, the answer to that problem is to keep the body upright. But then, we just end up in Lavanini territory again!
So, as a defending player, you're buggered either way.
World Rugby really has to re-think this. There's got to be a bit of an onus on the attacking player to also protect his head. You simply cannot tell me that clever players and coaches will look at the past couple of days and make a tactical move to carry low and lead with the head.
If attacking coaches and players themselves are not going to be worried about their noggins, then why should defending teams be...?
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Said it earlier, so not wanting to sound like a stuck record, but I’ll be surprised if players, coaches , are not looking to exploit this by instructing players to fall at the last moment before contact
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@westcoastie said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@kev said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@No-Quarter you have to wrap your arms, you can’t lead with your shoulder. Have to stand in front and let them hit you, or let them go past and tackle from side.
push the ball carrier into the turf and fall on them.
I think the confusion stems from setting yourself low initially, then he falls , it’s hard to mark adjustments , especially if you are a big bloke
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@westcoastie said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@kev said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@No-Quarter you have to wrap your arms, you can’t lead with your shoulder. Have to stand in front and let them hit you, or let them go past and tackle from side.
push the ball carrier into the turf and fall on them.
I think the confusion stems from setting yourself low initially, then he falls , it’s hard to mark adjustments , especially if you are a big bloke
Yeah, you're expecting to hit a waist and have less than half a second to change?
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@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
Just let them fall over then attack the ball fuck heads.
I'll say this again, these guys are falling. Let them but the ground
Jordie amazing 80 and 80 in 4 days. ALB and Ardie other top 3.
Jordie for canes 10
At full speed that decision cannot be made, it's ridiculous to even suggest it
@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
Just let them fall over then attack the ball fuck heads.
I'll say this again, these guys are falling. Let them but the ground
Jordie amazing 80 and 80 in 4 days. ALB and Ardie other top 3.
Jordie for canes 10
At full speed that decision cannot be made, it's ridiculous to even suggest it
Go easy, M4L, he is a winger after all...
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@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
Comments before I read the thread.
Flush the dunny on that first half.
Aaron FFS you're fucking Aaron Smith. What the fuck was that?
Ref made some really random calls to keep Namibs close, the van Jaarsveld flop over the ruck then penalise Whitelock, followed immediately by the forward pass in midfield as an example.
Jordie's first two kicks worried me but he was goid from the tee after that.
Our ruck work was incredibly untidy in the first forty.
Why did we take so long to work out that Laulala's 10 minutes was up?
POTDs for me were Ardie, Frizell and Jordie.
Oh yeah. How good was van Jaarsveld? What a pain in the arse was he? Not always legal but fun to watch.
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
Comments before I read the thread.
Flush the dunny on that first half.
Aaron FFS you're fucking Aaron Smith. What the fuck was that?
Ref made some really random calls to keep Namibs close, the van Jaarsveld flop over the ruck then penalise Whitelock, followed immediately by the forward pass in midfield as an example.
Jordie's first two kicks worried me but he was goid from the tee after that.
Our ruck work was incredibly untidy in the first forty.
Why did we take so long to work out that Laulala's 10 minutes was up?
POTDs for me were Ardie, Frizell and Jordie.
Oh yeah. How good was van Jaarsveld? What a pain in the arse was he? Not always legal but fun to watch.
Hope he gets some job offers after today
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First 30 mins was pretty rubbish, the boys looked like they'd barely met and Namibia were making line breaks at will. Second half some bloody great tries scored, especially TJ's. Glad Jordie found his kicking boots, those first two were not vintage.
I understand the YC call on Laulala, anything near the neck they are going to get pissy about, but it's pretty rough when the dude was low and falling to start. There should be some onus on the attacking player to protect himself as well as the defender tackling with good technique.
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@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
Comments before I read the thread.
Flush the dunny on that first half.
Aaron FFS you're fucking Aaron Smith. What the fuck was that?
Ref made some really random calls to keep Namibs close, the van Jaarsveld flop over the ruck then penalise Whitelock, followed immediately by the forward pass in midfield as an example.
Jordie's first two kicks worried me but he was goid from the tee after that.
Our ruck work was incredibly untidy in the first forty.
Why did we take so long to work out that Laulala's 10 minutes was up?
POTDs for me were Ardie, Frizell and Jordie.
Oh yeah. How good was van Jaarsveld? What a pain in the arse was he? Not always legal but fun to watch.
Hope he gets some job offers after today
@Siam said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
Comments before I read the thread.
Flush the dunny on that first half.
Aaron FFS you're fucking Aaron Smith. What the fuck was that?
Ref made some really random calls to keep Namibs close, the van Jaarsveld flop over the ruck then penalise Whitelock, followed immediately by the forward pass in midfield as an example.
Jordie's first two kicks worried me but he was goid from the tee after that.
Our ruck work was incredibly untidy in the first forty.
Why did we take so long to work out that Laulala's 10 minutes was up?
POTDs for me were Ardie, Frizell and Jordie.
Oh yeah. How good was van Jaarsveld? What a pain in the arse was he? Not always legal but fun to watch.
Hope he gets some job offers after today
I assume he already earns a good salary at Bayonne (currently sitting third in the Top 14).
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@Siam said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
Comments before I read the thread.
Flush the dunny on that first half.
Aaron FFS you're fucking Aaron Smith. What the fuck was that?
Ref made some really random calls to keep Namibs close, the van Jaarsveld flop over the ruck then penalise Whitelock, followed immediately by the forward pass in midfield as an example.
Jordie's first two kicks worried me but he was goid from the tee after that.
Our ruck work was incredibly untidy in the first forty.
Why did we take so long to work out that Laulala's 10 minutes was up?
POTDs for me were Ardie, Frizell and Jordie.
Oh yeah. How good was van Jaarsveld? What a pain in the arse was he? Not always legal but fun to watch.
Hope he gets some job offers after today
I assume he already earns a good salary at Bayonne (currently sitting third in the Top 14).
@Stargazer
ahh, there goes my scouting career -
Clear MOM for ALB today. Clean-outs, offloads, bursts, tackles - everything. Thought Ta'avao and Cane were the next best. Jordie did very well after a nervous start. Aaron Smith and Frizzell a bit sloppy at times. The card calls on our props are tough. Saw similar hits by Namibia (e.g. on Ben Smith), but not pulled up. Don't know what players or refs can do to sort the mess with this.
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
Just let them fall over then attack the ball fuck heads.
I'll say this again, these guys are falling. Let them but the ground
Jordie amazing 80 and 80 in 4 days. ALB and Ardie other top 3.
Jordie for canes 10
At full speed that decision cannot be made, it's ridiculous to even suggest it
At 120 kgs , you have you legs bent . Crouching, assuming good low body position and he dives in , its fucken difficult to make adjustments split second
No apparently you just back out and leave him. No sweat.
@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
Just let them fall over then attack the ball fuck heads.
I'll say this again, these guys are falling. Let them but the ground
Jordie amazing 80 and 80 in 4 days. ALB and Ardie other top 3.
Jordie for canes 10
At full speed that decision cannot be made, it's ridiculous to even suggest it
At 120 kgs , you have you legs bent . Crouching, assuming good low body position and he dives in , its fucken difficult to make adjustments split second
No apparently you just back out and leave him. No sweat.
And the wait until you have ball and then you can go diving at the defenders' knees willy-nilly - watch the crowds flock to watch that spectacle!
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All Blacks v Namibia: Jack Goodhue shines on the Rugby World Cup centre stage
Ummmm, I think he's messed his midfield players up
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All Blacks v Namibia: Jack Goodhue shines on the Rugby World Cup centre stage
Ummmm, I think he's messed his midfield players up
@Machpants maybe he meant Goodhue outshone by his mid-field partner?
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@Machpants maybe he meant Goodhue outshone by his mid-field partner?
@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
@Machpants maybe he meant Goodhue outshone by his mid-field partner?
It's 'stuff.co.nz' so remember it's bizarro world. Either the Namibian centre did awesome or ALB.
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All Blacks v Namibia: Jack Goodhue shines on the Rugby World Cup centre stage
Ummmm, I think he's messed his midfield players up
@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B):
All Blacks v Namibia: Jack Goodhue shines on the Rugby World Cup centre stage
Ummmm, I think he's messed his midfield players up
I'll add a bit of classic NH stuff from Guardian
HEADLINE All Blacks fall behind before brushing aside brave Namibia at Rugby World Cup
New Zealand rack up 11 tries in 71-9 Pool B demolition
Namibia took lead in first half before floodgates openedLol the 3 points they lead by was really a key point of the game
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Another point on the YCs which has already been alluded to is the inconsistency. There is regular contact with the head on front rowers going low into the tackle around the ruck. It seems quite random which ones get called up.
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On the game itself. Credit to Namibia for playing to the ref and disrupting the breakdown. They played with a lot of heart and can be proud of that effort.
Also have to give us credit for riding it out and then stepping it up a gear to blow them away from around 30 minutes onwards. I'm very happy with the performance overall.
Jordie was good at 10 and is pretty clearly the 3rd best 10 in NZ right now. That won't last, Ioane (and I'm sure other young 10s) will get better but he's way too green to be playing 10 for the ABs at the RWC. Good decision from the selectors.
ALB is just amazing. What a player he has become, I'd have him over any other centre in the world right now. Everything he does is all class.
Ardie can play 6, 7 or 8 and dominate. He is also some player now.
Also thought Pat T was very strong again. He's a weapon off the bench for us now, finally playing to his potential on a consistent basis.
