All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@shark said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
How many of the pro-Rennie guys are the same guys who believe Hansen was propped up by Wayne Smith.......
Don't know about propped up but Smith for McLeod was a downgrade for sure.
Hardly fair, any coach is a downgrade from Wayne Smith. I think he's done a fine job, if you look at the analysis articles pre England, we've been the top defensive team
@Machpants it is strange, our defence has been largely bloody good but there have been some games (England, Wobblies in Perth sans SB, SA last year x 2, and Japan last year - all bar the England game, we conceded >30) have been poor.
@gt12 the 2012-2015 team had 2 dead set greats of the game, 4 other NZ greats, arguments for 2 as world greats, so always gonna be a step down from that
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@Tim said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp With two disallowed tries. Our defence was weak as shit in that game.
One was a massive obstruction the other was lucky to get ruled out.
That said, we didnt' lose that mainly because of our defence. We got smashed up front, and couldn'tmake any yards with the ball. It was horrific.
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@Tim said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp With two disallowed tries. Our defence was weak as shit in that game.
One was a massive obstruction the other was lucky to get ruled out.
That said, we didnt' lose that mainly because of our defence. We got smashed up front, and couldn'tmake any yards with the ball. It was horrific.
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@Tim said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp With two disallowed tries. Our defence was weak as shit in that game.
One was a massive obstruction the other was lucky to get ruled out.
That said, we didnt' lose that mainly because of our defence. We got smashed up front, and couldn'tmake any yards with the ball. It was horrific.
@nzzp yeah was an odd game, England, probably should have scored more times, but didnt, the 2 disallowed tries were both correct calls, but doesnt detract form the fact they were there to score them...parts of that game our d was good, but the weight pf English pressure told.
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@Tim said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp They made the gainline at will because our defense was passive.
Don't disagree - but it wasn't as rubbish as our attack or our forwards. Facts are we thought they'd get around twenty points and they did. Based on our attack the week before, I thought we'd get to high twenties/low thirties but actually we just sucked.
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@Tim said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp They made the gainline at will because our defense was passive.
Don't disagree - but it wasn't as rubbish as our attack or our forwards. Facts are we thought they'd get around twenty points and they did. Based on our attack the week before, I thought we'd get to high twenties/low thirties but actually we just sucked.
@nzzp shades of Perth...
if they pick themselves up off the floor again, as they did post-Perth, then a few reps will be refurbished.
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@Tim said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp They made the gainline at will because our defense was passive.
Don't disagree - but it wasn't as rubbish as our attack or our forwards. Facts are we thought they'd get around twenty points and they did. Based on our attack the week before, I thought we'd get to high twenties/low thirties but actually we just sucked.
@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Tim said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp They made the gainline at will because our defense was passive.
Don't disagree - but it wasn't as rubbish as our attack or our forwards. Facts are we thought they'd get around twenty points and they did. Based on our attack the week before, I thought we'd get to high twenties/low thirties but actually we just sucked.
Main problem was the breakdown. 18 turnovers and 11 penalties.
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@nzzp shades of Perth...
if they pick themselves up off the floor again, as they did post-Perth, then a few reps will be refurbished.
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp shades of Perth...
if they pick themselves up off the floor again, as they did post-Perth, then a few reps will be refurbished.
remember in Perth we were in the game when the Red happened to ScoBa. 2 points in it, despite being belted up front. Our forwards need a major overhaul, btu I can't see anyone they've left out that will make a difference.
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@nzzp shades of Perth...
if they pick themselves up off the floor again, as they did post-Perth, then a few reps will be refurbished.
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp shades of Perth...
if they pick themselves up off the floor again, as they did post-Perth, then a few reps will be refurbished.
It shouldn't though, as this game isn't against England. Last week wasn't game one of a series to find the best team in the World. Smashing Wales (if that happens) doesn't make up for last week's embarrassment. They should all continue to wear that - if 'learnings' happen, neat, but that pay off comes next time we play England and any other team in a game that has meaning for both teams.
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp shades of Perth...
if they pick themselves up off the floor again, as they did post-Perth, then a few reps will be refurbished.
It shouldn't though, as this game isn't against England. Last week wasn't game one of a series to find the best team in the World. Smashing Wales (if that happens) doesn't make up for last week's embarrassment. They should all continue to wear that - if 'learnings' happen, neat, but that pay off comes next time we play England and any other team in a game that has meaning for both teams.
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@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp shades of Perth...
if they pick themselves up off the floor again, as they did post-Perth, then a few reps will be refurbished.
It shouldn't though, as this game isn't against England. Last week wasn't game one of a series to find the best team in the World. Smashing Wales (if that happens) doesn't make up for last week's embarrassment. They should all continue to wear that - if 'learnings' happen, neat, but that pay off comes next time we play England and any other team in a game that has meaning for both teams.
I hope we start playing England a lot more regularly. It's a travesty that the strongest NH union barely ever plays the strongest SH union.
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@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp shades of Perth...
if they pick themselves up off the floor again, as they did post-Perth, then a few reps will be refurbished.
It shouldn't though, as this game isn't against England. Last week wasn't game one of a series to find the best team in the World. Smashing Wales (if that happens) doesn't make up for last week's embarrassment. They should all continue to wear that - if 'learnings' happen, neat, but that pay off comes next time we play England and any other team in a game that has meaning for both teams.
I hope we start playing England a lot more regularly. It's a travesty that the strongest NH union barely ever plays the strongest SH union.
@No-Quarter said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@nzzp shades of Perth...
if they pick themselves up off the floor again, as they did post-Perth, then a few reps will be refurbished.
It shouldn't though, as this game isn't against England. Last week wasn't game one of a series to find the best team in the World. Smashing Wales (if that happens) doesn't make up for last week's embarrassment. They should all continue to wear that - if 'learnings' happen, neat, but that pay off comes next time we play England and any other team in a game that has meaning for both teams.
I hope we start playing England a lot more regularly. It's a travesty that the strongest NH union barely ever plays the strongest SH union.
Yeah if only there were some sort of round robin yearly competition....
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Ild like to see Joseph and Brown with Mcleod as Defence. for me, Joseph and Brown are ready to take the ABs into the next phase of their evolution. Robertson is just a clone of the current system who is not as inventive as I believe is needed for the new coach. The world has caught up and if we do not get a coach who can mold and take the ABs into a new era we could be playing catch-up for a while.
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@pakman said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I'd be pleased if Cotter applied. Anyone heard any indications of his willingness?
welcome back Cotter and not the dodgy 70's version
no bias here from a Bay perspective
@bayimports said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@pakman said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I'd be pleased if Cotter applied. Anyone heard any indications of his willingness?
welcome back Cotter and not the dodgy 70's version
no bias here from a Bay perspective
That was a great show.
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@bayimports said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@pakman said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I'd be pleased if Cotter applied. Anyone heard any indications of his willingness?
welcome back Cotter and not the dodgy 70's version
no bias here from a Bay perspective
That was a great show.
@ACT-Crusader said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@bayimports said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@pakman said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I'd be pleased if Cotter applied. Anyone heard any indications of his willingness?
welcome back Cotter and not the dodgy 70's version
no bias here from a Bay perspective
That was a great show.
I'm assuming you mean when we won the shield under vern?
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@gt12 I realise that.
I mean after being belted last week they have rung changes and should have refocused.
Yeah, sorry, that’s just my frustration coming out there.
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Rennie with Wayne Smith and Tony Brown is a bit of dream team for me. The problem is we don’t have a world class defensive coach available - I doubt that Smith would take it.
And, to the best of my knowledge Robertson is not a defensive specialist; nor Joseph, plus I assume that both would only be keen on a head coaching role.
So, could we go outside to get a D specialist or reinvest in McLeod and try to get a coach for him (e.g., Wayne Smith)?
Our defense was a fucking mess last week so I’m tempted to boot him, despite Stormy being one of my all time favorite players.
Apart from Farrell, who we can’t get anyway, who else would be a defensive specialist we could bring in?
I’d also be tempted to get a better kicking/skills coach again - I feel like our kicking has gone downhill since we lost Mick.
For the scrum, IFIIK. what are the fern’s thoughts?
