All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@Stargazer so it's either Japan or NZ
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@mofitzy_ said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
As a package deal, they are surely the front runners.
I think that this means we'll get Foster without the one person (Brown) everyone wanted to be a part of the AB coaching setup.
However, if Joseph can get a great, experienced defense coach, then it could be OK. Rennie will want to be a head coach, so I don't see him as that person, which means he'll coach Oz and will be dead to me.
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TB said he would never coach Australia.
That’s AB credentials right there, jumps to the head of the queue.
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Can someone make the case for Tony Brown for me? I understand he is a quality assistant and would love to see him in the set up. But is he really to the level where many seem to think he should be the kingmaker?
Seems a bit Mitchy - except with hair and seems like a top bloke.
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@Darren said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I'd like to see Razor, just cause I want to see a little shake up and he is probably the most diverse.
Foster would obviously be a continuation of the current selections/tactics. Robertson would probably be the next closest.
I think every other candidate would make more significant changes.
What do you mean by most 'diverse'? Robertson would have the most narrow cv?
@Duluth said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Darren said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I'd like to see Razor, just cause I want to see a little shake up and he is probably the most diverse.
Foster would obviously be a continuation of the current selections/tactics. Robertson would probably be the next closest.
I think every other candidate would make more significant changes.
What do you mean by most 'diverse'? Robertson would have the most narrow cv?
I was meaning the biggest change to what we currently have.
I just like to see some major changes, and I think Razor would be the one to do that. -
I don't see why the head coaches need to confirm their team prior to being appointed themselves.
Whilst having preferences to work with a given team is good and gives a basis for NZR to make a decision I'd like to see them have the ability to mix and match the coaching team based on availability post head coach appointment.
To my mind it seems applying for the head coach seems to limit your ability to be appointed as an assistant. It seems we could rule out a lot of talent this way.
Further, how many assustants are you proposing be part of your team? Is everyone the same?
Who is to say the assistants are prepared to accept the pay and conditions on offer?
I hope they are not too rigid in the process.
Shame that Brown may have limited himself.
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@mofitzy_ said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
As a package deal, they are surely the front runners.
I think that this means we'll get Foster without the one person (Brown) everyone wanted to be a part of the AB coaching setup.
However, if Joseph can get a great, experienced defense coach, then it could be OK. Rennie will want to be a head coach, so I don't see him as that person, which means he'll coach Oz and will be dead to me.
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
However, if Joseph can get a great, experienced defense coach, then it could be OK. Rennie will want to be a head coach, so I don't see him as that person, which means he'll coach Oz and will be dead to me.
I would suggest that Jamie Joseph would list Scott McLeod as his defence coach, bringing back his Highlanders 2015 team. He would also likely bring in Clarke Dermody as a scrum coach.
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I don't see why the head coaches need to confirm their team prior to being appointed themselves.
Whilst having preferences to work with a given team is good and gives a basis for NZR to make a decision I'd like to see them have the ability to mix and match the coaching team based on availability post head coach appointment.
To my mind it seems applying for the head coach seems to limit your ability to be appointed as an assistant. It seems we could rule out a lot of talent this way.
Further, how many assustants are you proposing be part of your team? Is everyone the same?
Who is to say the assistants are prepared to accept the pay and conditions on offer?
I hope they are not too rigid in the process.
Shame that Brown may have limited himself.
@booboo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Shame that Brown may have limited himself.
I think it is a class move to lay his cards out on the table. I am sure he could have taken advantage of his position and used his leverage (why not, it works for our politicians right Winston?) but I respect the fact that he isn't keeping anyone dangling on the line
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@booboo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Shame that Brown may have limited himself.
I think it is a class move to lay his cards out on the table. I am sure he could have taken advantage of his position and used his leverage (why not, it works for our politicians right Winston?) but I respect the fact that he isn't keeping anyone dangling on the line
@canefan said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@booboo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Shame that Brown may have limited himself.
I think it is a class move to lay his cards out on the table. I am sure he could have taken advantage of his position and used his leverage (why not, it works for our politicians right Winston?) but I respect the fact that he isn't keeping anyone dangling on the line
I'm not criticising him. He's clearly saying his loyalty is with Joseph.
Just I'd like to see him available to any party that gets the gig.
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I don't see why the head coaches need to confirm their team prior to being appointed themselves.
Whilst having preferences to work with a given team is good and gives a basis for NZR to make a decision I'd like to see them have the ability to mix and match the coaching team based on availability post head coach appointment.
To my mind it seems applying for the head coach seems to limit your ability to be appointed as an assistant. It seems we could rule out a lot of talent this way.
Further, how many assustants are you proposing be part of your team? Is everyone the same?
Who is to say the assistants are prepared to accept the pay and conditions on offer?
I hope they are not too rigid in the process.
Shame that Brown may have limited himself.
@booboo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I don't see why the head coaches need to confirm their team prior to being appointed themselves.
That's probably what Robbie thought.
I agree - it's helpful if the applicants have some ideas of the people they want to work with - but, if everyone turns up with discrete, pre-packaged coaching teams, we're likely not going to end up with the optimal outcome.
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Who is Robertson likely to have alongside him? The only name that had been leaked was Brown.. now we know Brown turned him down.
Any ideas?
@Duluth Leon?
Actually, I somewhat doubt that - it seemed a bit unusual that he left that Crusaders Asst. Coach position after one year.
O'Gara?
Foster presumably will have whatever the remnants of the AB coaching team are - so probably McLeod among others in my view.
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@Duluth Leon?
Actually, I somewhat doubt that - it seemed a bit unusual that he left that Crusaders Asst. Coach position after one year.
O'Gara?
Foster presumably will have whatever the remnants of the AB coaching team are - so probably McLeod among others in my view.
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Duluth Leon?
Actually, I somewhat doubt that - it seemed a bit unusual that he left that Crusaders Asst. Coach position after one year.
O'Gara?
Both have huge negatives
MacDonald would mean disrupting two SR sides. NZR is getting their hands dirty trying to get the Blues back on track. I doubt they want to change coaches now
Ronan? There's so many good NZ coaches. It would be a slap in the face to go for a foreigner with a limited CV.
Maybe Robertson is forming a good team and there just aren't any leaks? But I'm starting to think he's getting boxed out
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As much as I can see that the negatives around Fozzie aren’t nearly as big as some make out and that he may be in a strong place to put together a good coaching unit I am also beginning to think that, given the player rebuilding situation this may also be a good opportunity to refresh the hereditary situation that has developed.
Having continuity is great but eventually it gets more and more difficult to get fresh ideas from the same group.
The last group showed a fixation on beating the rush defence because they wanted to continue an attacking style of their creation. In doing that they gambled on ignoring some key RWC knockout lessons around experienced heads.
Maybe a new dynasty can be created and this is the prime opportunity to start it?
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Duluth Leon?
Actually, I somewhat doubt that - it seemed a bit unusual that he left that Crusaders Asst. Coach position after one year.
O'Gara?
Both have huge negatives
MacDonald would mean disrupting two SR sides. NZR is getting their hands dirty trying to get the Blues back on track. I doubt they want to change coaches now
Ronan? There's so many good NZ coaches. It would be a slap in the face to go for a foreigner with a limited CV.
Maybe Robertson is forming a good team and there just aren't any leaks? But I'm starting to think he's getting boxed out
@Duluth said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Maybe Robertson is forming a good team and there just aren't any leaks? But I'm starting to think he's getting boxed out
Maybe - but it's all pretty speculative about who has worked with who, etc - and pretty clearly who the NZRU thinks is a good coach/assistant and who people on the Fern think are good coaches aren't necessarily the same.
Scott McLeod as AB defence coach was completely out of the blue for me.
Razor might be putting together a "dream team" of Deans, Hammer, Tana and JK!
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Some candidates might only be interested in being the head coach at this stage of their career while others could be prepared to park their ego at the door and look at the bigger picture. Think back to 2003/2004 when Henry assembled a "dream team" with 2 assistants who had previously been the head coach of international teams themselves. If everything falls into place the assistant would be a good chance to succeed the head coach as Hansen did. The big unknown is whether some of the names mentioned in the press could work together because they all have their own personalities and ideas, and we don't really know if there is any history between them.
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Duluth Leon?
Actually, I somewhat doubt that - it seemed a bit unusual that he left that Crusaders Asst. Coach position after one year.
O'Gara?
Both have huge negatives
MacDonald would mean disrupting two SR sides. NZR is getting their hands dirty trying to get the Blues back on track. I doubt they want to change coaches now
Ronan? There's so many good NZ coaches. It would be a slap in the face to go for a foreigner with a limited CV.
Maybe Robertson is forming a good team and there just aren't any leaks? But I'm starting to think he's getting boxed out
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@Duluth said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
NZR is getting their hands dirty trying to get the Blues back on track.
This makes me wonder if they pulled any strings in encouraging BB to move North?
