2020 All Blacks Squad
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@antipodean Exactly right!
Size is a good attribute for a rugby player.
Speed is a good attribute for a rugby player.
Being skillful is a good attribute for a rugby player.
Being smart if a good attribute for a rugby player.If you have a big, fast, skillful and smart rugby player, he's probably going to be a better player than a small, slow, clumsy and stupid player.
@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Size is a good attribute for a rugby player.
Speed is a good attribute for a rugby player.
Being skillful is a good attribute for a rugby player.
Being smart if a good attribute for a rugby player.Add attitude / aggression to the list.
It was lacking in a recent match that comes to mind.
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@junior said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
For 2020, I'd be happy enough to shelve the idea that we need an entire backline of small guys who pass real good but can't generate any go forward
Yeah - having people like Nonu, Savea and SBW who win collisions was pretty handy in 2015.
I'd like to see some rapid development of Rayasi and Big Leicester, among others.
@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@junior said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
For 2020, I'd be happy enough to shelve the idea that we need an entire backline of small guys who pass real good but can't generate any go forward
Yeah - having people like Nonu, Savea and SBW who win collisions was pretty handy in 2015.
Conveniently "forgetting" the other members of that backline, who weren't very big. As in, most of them.
It's not like we played Nonu and SBW beside each other even.
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@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@junior said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
For 2020, I'd be happy enough to shelve the idea that we need an entire backline of small guys who pass real good but can't generate any go forward
Yeah - having people like Nonu, Savea and SBW who win collisions was pretty handy in 2015.
Conveniently "forgetting" the other members of that backline, who weren't very big. As in, most of them.
It's not like we played Nonu and SBW beside each other even.
@Chester-Draws said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@junior said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
For 2020, I'd be happy enough to shelve the idea that we need an entire backline of small guys who pass real good but can't generate any go forward
Yeah - having people like Nonu, Savea and SBW who win collisions was pretty handy in 2015.
Conveniently "forgetting" the other members of that backline, who weren't very big. As in, most of them.
It's not like we played Nonu and SBW beside each other even.
We finished the Tonga, France (QF), and Australia (Final) with them on the field together, and in the semi SBW replaced Nonu.
We had at least two, often finishing with three, big bodies on the field in the backs during that entire WC campaign.
The make up of the wingers was also very different to this year.
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Samisoni Taukei'aho is the tight forward I'm most excited about. Hopefully his throwing improves.
I wonder if the Chiefs will suffer from lack of a focussed coaching team ...
@Tim said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Samisoni Taukei'aho is the tight forward I'm most excited about. Hopefully his throwing improves.
I wonder if the Chiefs will suffer from lack of a focussed coaching team ...
I expect a coaching shakeup from Gatland after the change of roles for the assistants this season. He should also have no preconceived ideas on his best XV.
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@Chester-Draws said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@junior said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
For 2020, I'd be happy enough to shelve the idea that we need an entire backline of small guys who pass real good but can't generate any go forward
Yeah - having people like Nonu, Savea and SBW who win collisions was pretty handy in 2015.
Conveniently "forgetting" the other members of that backline, who weren't very big. As in, most of them.
It's not like we played Nonu and SBW beside each other even.
We finished the Tonga, France (QF), and Australia (Final) with them on the field together, and in the semi SBW replaced Nonu.
We had at least two, often finishing with three, big bodies on the field in the backs during that entire WC campaign.
The make up of the wingers was also very different to this year.
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@Tim said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Samisoni Taukei'aho is the tight forward I'm most excited about. Hopefully his throwing improves.
I wonder if the Chiefs will suffer from lack of a focussed coaching team ...
I expect a coaching shakeup from Gatland after the change of roles for the assistants this season. He should also have no preconceived ideas on his best XV.
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@Bovidae How much of the pre-season is he going to be available for, and when will the coaching squad get their directions?
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@Tim Jeff Wilson said on the breakdown that the coaches will be on for the squad naming, assuming he'll be back for that so probably the whole preseason,.
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I nominate this guy to play openside next year, a useful fetcher, especially for wet weather games.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/dsv285/beluga_whale_playing_some_rugby/ -
I nominate this guy to play openside next year, a useful fetcher, especially for wet weather games.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/dsv285/beluga_whale_playing_some_rugby/@Daffy-Jaffy handling skills reminiscent of Brad Shields though.
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@Daffy-Jaffy handling skills reminiscent of Brad Shields though.
@Bones to be fair to the Beluga, its not a knock on if your hands didn't touch it.
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I nominate this guy to play openside next year, a useful fetcher, especially for wet weather games.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/dsv285/beluga_whale_playing_some_rugby/@Daffy-Jaffy That is pretty cool!
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@Stargazer said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Reading the previous posts, there's still hope for Levi Aumua :face_with_tears_of_joy:
He's certainly a unit.
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@junior I think their skill strengths are quite different. Goodhue is a genuine centre that runs good lines and hits the line quite hard. ALB is more a stepper/footwork guy in attack but has a bruising defensive game and probably hits the tackle as hard as Tana did. Don’t think size is a problem when both are north of 6’1 and 95kg.
@ACT-Crusader said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@junior I think their skill strengths are quite different. Goodhue is a genuine centre that runs good lines and hits the line quite hard. ALB is more a stepper/footwork guy in attack but has a bruising defensive game and probably hits the tackle as hard as Tana did. Don’t think size is a problem when both are north of 6’1 and 95kg.
Neither is in the Nonu / SBW / Tuilagi / De Allende mould, though are they? And that's fine if we have a forward packs that's able to smash over the advantage line and give our inside backs the space they need. However, we don't have that and having a big hua smashing into and through Ford and Farrell in that semi would have been very helpful once.
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@Chris-B agree to a point, but there were concerns with our small backs v SA in pool play, but it didnt affect us.
I expect Jack could put on a few more kgs easily enough without affecting him.
there arent too many big bruisers playing the mid-field in NZ presently who look like they will make the step up in the next year or 2...
@taniwharugby said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chris-B agree to a point, but there were concerns with our small backs v SA in pool play, but it didnt affect us.
I expect Jack could put on a few more kgs easily enough without affecting him.
there arent too many big bruisers playing the mid-field in NZ presently who look like they will make the step up in the next year or 2...
It doesn't seem there's too many big bruisers in NZ fullstop! Given the style of play our domestic teams play, half the battle for most players seems to be their ability to keep (especially in the forwards). Couple that with the increased focus on skill speed (especially with catching and passing) in the last 10-15 years, this naturally favours smaller guys who don't carry as much bulk and can move more quickly. All of the sudden, you're naturally selecting against big guys and they start getting phased out of the game at lower and lower levels.
That's why, in my view, a guy like Akira is potentially such a gem - he's got the size but also the speed to keep up!
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@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
If you're n the back foot, who do you give it to to smash forward and get some front foot ball?
Maybe they should rely on innovative superior skills (and hopefully speed) rather than trying to bash and smash your way through to see some dividends paid.
@Higgins said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
If you're n the back foot, who do you give it to to smash forward and get some front foot ball?
Maybe they should rely on innovative superior skills (and hopefully speed) rather than trying to bash and smash your way through to see some dividends paid.
They tried that and it resulted in a RWC semi-final exit (16 years after trying the same things and failing at the 2003 RWC)
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man the video quality back in the day was stunning!
@taniwharugby atleast buncy managed to throw the ball, abit late lol but it hit the wrong ozzy guy haha i remember this game, i was young and was disappointed Bunce didnt retaliate lol Riles would be red carded and taken to court and banned forever if that happened today. the game has really turned tiddley winks
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@taniwharugby said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chris-B agree to a point, but there were concerns with our small backs v SA in pool play, but it didnt affect us.
I expect Jack could put on a few more kgs easily enough without affecting him.
there arent too many big bruisers playing the mid-field in NZ presently who look like they will make the step up in the next year or 2...
It doesn't seem there's too many big bruisers in NZ fullstop! Given the style of play our domestic teams play, half the battle for most players seems to be their ability to keep (especially in the forwards). Couple that with the increased focus on skill speed (especially with catching and passing) in the last 10-15 years, this naturally favours smaller guys who don't carry as much bulk and can move more quickly. All of the sudden, you're naturally selecting against big guys and they start getting phased out of the game at lower and lower levels.
That's why, in my view, a guy like Akira is potentially such a gem - he's got the size but also the speed to keep up!
@junior said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@taniwharugby said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chris-B agree to a point, but there were concerns with our small backs v SA in pool play, but it didnt affect us.
I expect Jack could put on a few more kgs easily enough without affecting him.
there arent too many big bruisers playing the mid-field in NZ presently who look like they will make the step up in the next year or 2...
It doesn't seem there's too many big bruisers in NZ fullstop! Given the style of play our domestic teams play, half the battle for most players seems to be their ability to keep (especially in the forwards). Couple that with the increased focus on skill speed (especially with catching and passing) in the last 10-15 years, this naturally favours smaller guys who don't carry as much bulk and can move more quickly. All of the sudden, you're naturally selecting against big guys and they start getting phased out of the game at lower and lower levels.
I think this is wrong. Our forward packs, both at franchise and national level aren't smaller than their opponents. Sometimes a bit shorter, but rarely lighter.
With regards to backs, we have lots of big boys. We just play them on the wing, whereas other countries play them in the centres. You'd be pressed to argue that the Bok backline was big if you look outside the centres.
Reiko Ioane will be bigger than most of the guys he is marking, by some distance. It was just unfortunate that his form disappeared this year, or we would have had him to use a battering ram in the midfield. (We use wingers all the time for this role in NZ, because so often they're our biggest backs.)
