All Black Coach - Ian Foster
-
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial I'm thinking Fozzie would be running with most of the current staff but, he'll need someone to replace himself.
Cron is gone too so, as I mentioned previously, the forward coach will be the most important appointment for all the aspiring AB coaches.
I would expect the coaching group to be:
Head coach
Forwards coach with maybe a specialist scrum coach
Attack/backs coach
Defence coachYou can also add in a skills coach.
No surprise that NZR wants the interviewees to have their coaching group sorted, especially if there is no crossover in their preferred assistants. It will show them who they can work with.
-
@Chester-Draws Yeah - I agree with the premise. Mark Reason made a similar argument the other day about continuity at Liverpool FC - continuity worked until it didn't.
Though Toddy wasn't strictly the continuity candidate at the Crusaders. That would have been Hammer. Toddy coached in Scotland and then came to the Mako.
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chester-Draws Yeah - I agree with the premise. Mark Reason made a similar argument the other day about continuity at Liverpool FC - continuity worked until it didn't.
Though Toddy wasn't strictly the continuity candidate at the Crusaders. That would have been Hammer. Toddy coached in Scotland and then came to the Mako.
Geez that's tough on crusaders fans eh, what could've been!
-
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chester-Draws Yeah - I agree with the premise. Mark Reason made a similar argument the other day about continuity at Liverpool FC - continuity worked until it didn't.
Though Toddy wasn't strictly the continuity candidate at the Crusaders. That would have been Hammer. Toddy coached in Scotland and then came to the Mako.
Geez that's tough on crusaders fans eh, what could've been!
@Bones said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chester-Draws Yeah - I agree with the premise. Mark Reason made a similar argument the other day about continuity at Liverpool FC - continuity worked until it didn't.
Though Toddy wasn't strictly the continuity candidate at the Crusaders. That would have been Hammer. Toddy coached in Scotland and then came to the Mako.
Geez that's tough on crusaders fans eh, what could've been!
He's one of them, maybe the Hammer might have worked out better there. He wouldn't have had to change the culture for starters!!!
-
You would think JJ and Brown must be front runners, they have a history of getting teams playing well even without the best cattle. Put that team ethos with the ABs and they should flourish.
@chimoaus and tony brown has played Foster and Robertson. Be interesting to see if they had backups already organised. I know foster went in with Brown and JJ as his assistants.
-
@chimoaus and tony brown has played Foster and Robertson. Be interesting to see if they had backups already organised. I know foster went in with Brown and JJ as his assistants.
@chchfanatic hadn't thought of that - Brown said he'd only work with Joseph - did he say as head coach?
-
@Crucial I'm thinking Fozzie would be running with most of the current staff but, he'll need someone to replace himself.
If I'm being deadly serious, I'd probably favour Rennie getting the Head Coach job. It's probably now or never for Dave - whereas Razor especially and Jamie might get better over the next four years - but at least probably won't go over the hill.
If I'm talking dream teams - I'd like to see Rennie paired with Robbie Deans as attack coach. I don't think Robbie's aspiring (or saleable) to be Head Coach, but he's wandering round with vast IP. Then I think you need someone very human as the forwards coach and doing the PR - which could be Razor, but perhaps not immediately - bring him in in 2022 as part of a succession plan. Maybe Coventry in the meantime?
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If I'm talking dream teams - I'd like to see Rennie paired with Robbie Deans as attack coach. I don't think Robbie's aspiring (or saleable) to be Head Coach, but he's wandering round with vast IP.
Do we have any reference points for someone being in the Japanese club system for a long period and then coming back into SAANZAR or Home Union rugby?
I'm not dead against it (very envious of Warratahs getting Penny when the Blues should have been looking for a coach if they didn't go early) - but looking at the gulf of talent within playing rosters in Japan it does seem like tactically it could be a very "weak-link" type game over there; which doesn't translate at test level anymore.
-
@chimoaus and tony brown has played Foster and Robertson. Be interesting to see if they had backups already organised. I know foster went in with Brown and JJ as his assistants.
@chchfanatic said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I know foster went in with Brown and JJ as his assistants.
I didn't know anyone had "went in" already.
For Brown/JJ being 10-15 years into their coaching careers and being on the right side of 50 taking assistants roles and continue to develop under a more experienced coach could be the right move.
If it goes well; the NZRU have shown they will honour succession, and if things go badly there is still time/opportunity to come back (Smith, Mitch if he had wanted IMO).
It would need to be from the Gatland/Schmidt/Foster/Rennie cohort and for different reasons none of those three are available or the obvious fit.
Did Rennie and Joseph cross paths at the back end of his Wellington run I wonder? Rennie-Joseph-Brown would be pretty bloody good.
-
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If I'm talking dream teams - I'd like to see Rennie paired with Robbie Deans as attack coach. I don't think Robbie's aspiring (or saleable) to be Head Coach, but he's wandering round with vast IP.
Do we have any reference points for someone being in the Japanese club system for a long period and then coming back into SAANZAR or Home Union rugby?
I'm not dead against it (very envious of Warratahs getting Penny when the Blues should have been looking for a coach if they didn't go early) - but looking at the gulf of talent within playing rosters in Japan it does seem like tactically it could be a very "weak-link" type game over there; which doesn't translate at test level anymore.
@rotated Eddie Jones did 3 years at Suntory before moving up to Japan then England.
Test match currency might be a bit of an issue for Robbie, but he'd have five months to study to catch up if necessary. But, if we were to take e.g. Dave Rennie - I'd imagine he'd need to spend quite a bit of time studying differences between club and country as well.
-
so is that coaching panel appointed to ensure Fozzie doesnt just walk it, or just appear that way if he gets the gig?
At this rate, they wont be done by Xmas!!
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
so is that coaching panel appointed to ensure Fozzie doesnt just walk it, or just appear that way if he gets the gig?
At this rate, they wont be done by Xmas!!
Spot on I reckon it is already decided but have to have transperency
-
@chchfanatic said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I know foster went in with Brown and JJ as his assistants.
I didn't know anyone had "went in" already.
For Brown/JJ being 10-15 years into their coaching careers and being on the right side of 50 taking assistants roles and continue to develop under a more experienced coach could be the right move.
If it goes well; the NZRU have shown they will honour succession, and if things go badly there is still time/opportunity to come back (Smith, Mitch if he had wanted IMO).
It would need to be from the Gatland/Schmidt/Foster/Rennie cohort and for different reasons none of those three are available or the obvious fit.
Did Rennie and Joseph cross paths at the back end of his Wellington run I wonder? Rennie-Joseph-Brown would be pretty bloody good.
@rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If it goes well; the NZRU have shown they will honour succession, and if things go badly there is still time/opportunity to come back (Smith, Mitch if he had wanted IMO).
There are some areas where bodies have to respect previous decisions, because it enhances trust. You don't shit on your present sponsors because you know that will affect later potential partners' willingness to trust you.
But the people who are making the decision this year aren't bound to select the coach based on how previous panels decided. The panel are different people. The applicants are different people with different histories. The All Blacks are in a different situation from previous years.
-
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12283121
As the search for Steve Hansen's replacement begins, New Zealand Rugby chairperson Brett Impey revealed yesterday that 26 Kiwi coaches have been invited to apply for the head coach role
Those 26 have been asked to bring their team of supporting coaches into the process with them.
But who could be the 26? We take a guess of the long list.
- Scott Robertson
Three successive Super Rugby titles gives the highly-respected Crusaders mentor strong credentials to carry the new broom. If not now, then, when?
Chance of being involved: Highly likely
2. Jamie JosephOne Super Rugby title with the Highlanders but it's his recent work guiding Japan to the World Cup quarterfinals for the first time that really impressed.
Chance of being involved: Highly likely
3. Ian FosterEight years as Steve Hansen's right hand man hands Foster the argument for continuity, one that has worked for the All Blacks since 2008.
Chance of being involved: Highly likely
4. Tony BrownA major part of the success of the Highlanders and Japan alongside Joseph. Brown is an astute attacking mind who rebuffed approaches from Robertson and Foster in favour of pledging his loyalty to Joseph. Could yet prove a decisive move.
Chance of being involved: Highly likely
- Vern Cotter
The former Bay of Plenty and Crusaders assistant has enjoyed success in Europe where he led Clermont to their maiden title and Scotland to the verge of the World Cup semifinals, only to be duped by a poor refereeing decision. Now in his final season at Montpellier.
Chance of being involved: Possibility
6. Dave RennieLed the Chiefs to their first two titles before departing for a new challenge at Glasgow. Rennie is highly respected man manager by those he has coached but also has the option of the Wallabies chasing his services.
Chance of being involved: Likely
7. Joe SchmidtSchmidt's latest news is he will remain in Ireland, rather than return home to New Zealand. Led Ireland to the top of the world rankings in 2018, only to then falter at the World Cup quarterfinals for a second time. Publicly stated he is not interested in the All Blacks head coach role and has since announced the release of his autobiography which he wrote himself.
Chance of being involved: Unlikely
8. Milton HaigThe former Counties Manukau mentor did a fine job with Georgia, who deserved more opportunities against the established Six Nations hierarchy than they received.
Chance of being involved: Unlikely
9. Warren GatlandFinished his successful 12-year tenure with Wales and will now return home to lead the Chiefs before taking the 2021 season out to guide the Lions for a third time. With those commitments, it seems impossible to juggle the All Blacks too.
Chance of being involved: Unlikely
10. John McKeeWell-travelled New Zealand-born Fiji coach had a disappointing World Cup with the leading Pacific Island nation suffering a shock loss to Uruguay despite pushing the Wallabies and Wales.
Chance of being involved: Unlikely
11. Wayne SmithWould be silly not to at least approach the man dubbed the 'professor' but Smith is happy in Japan where his Kobe team are riding high.
Chance of being involved: Unlikely
12. John MitchellThe stocks of the former All Blacks and Chiefs coach have risen from the ashes following a World Cup in which he led England's staunch defence. More likely to try position himself to take over whenever Eddie Jones steps aside.
Chance of being involved: Unlikely
13. Brad MooarServed his apprenticeship at the Crusaders under Robertson and could, potentially, be coaxed back to re-join the crew. But having just started his first season as head coach at the Scarlets, it would require a swift backflip.
Chance of being involved: Unlikely
14. Todd BlackadderBlotted his copybook since leaving the Crusaders after a disappointing stint with the well-resourced Bath. Now starting his new role with Japanese club Toshiba.
Chance of being involved: Unlikely
15. Pat LamWell settled in the north where he has rebuilt his career after the ugly exit from the Blues. Led Connacht to the Pro 12 title and has since assumed the reins at big-spending English club Bristol.
Chance of being involved: Unlikely
16. Chris BoydGuided the Hurricanes to their maiden title and then restored pride to Northampton in his first season in the English Premiership. Now into his second of a three year contract with Saints.
Chance of being involved: Unlikely
17. Jono GibbesFormer New Zealand Maori captain now La Rochelle director of rugby who recently hired Ronan O'Gara as coach. Respected forwards mentor who has close ties with Ian Foster.
Chance of being involved: Highly likely
18. Simon MannixOne test All Blacks and Wellington first five-eighth who has coached in France for over a decade. Endured a tough recent time at French club Pau.
Chance of being involved: Highly Unlikely
19. Leon MacDonaldOne year into role as Blues head coach, probably lacks the experience to take the top role with just one season in Super Rugby and a few at Mitre 10 Cup level as a head coach. One to look out for in the future. Will always have a TV gig to fall back on after his role in NZME's Beyond the Game.
Chance of being involved: Unlikely
20. Robbie DeansThe greatest coach in Super Rugby history worked with the All Blacks alongside head coach John Mitchell in 2002 and 2003 and then was a strong candidate for the top job before losing out to incumbent Graham Henry following the 2007 World Cup disaster. Went onto coach Australia for five years before leaving the role in 2013. Has been coaching in Japan since.
Chance of being involved: Highly Unlikely.
21. John PlumtreeThe current Hurricanes head coach had a varied resume with international experience. He coached the Sharks in Super Rugby as well as assistant roles with Ireland and Japan. Heading into year two of a three-year contract with the Hurricanes with the team reaching the semifinals in his first year.
Chance of being involved: Can't be ruled out.
22. Aaron MaugerThe former All Blacks second-five eighth began his coaching career with the Crusaders as an assistant, under Blackadder, before heading the head coaching role at the Leicester Tigers. Became Highlanders coach last season, replacing Tony Brown, and will head into year two of his three-year deal next season.
Chance of being involved: Can't be ruled out.
23. Colin CooperA great record with New Zealand Maori and Junior All Blacks, but a nearly man with the Hurricanes and Chiefs.
Chance of being involved: Zero
24. Tom CoventryBlues assistant coach whose varied coaching history includes assisting Dave Rennie to two Super Rugby titles at the Chiefs.
Chance of being involved: A roughie now, but a big chance down the track.
25. Brad ThornLegendary World Cup test lock who coaches the Queensland Reds. Seems entrenched in the Australian system as a potential future head coach.
Chance of being involved: High if the public was voting, otherwise not so good.
26. Daryl GibsonFormer All Black back and departed Waratahs coach. Yet another former Crusaders assistant coach. Not the strongest resume.
Chance of being involved: None.
-
@booboo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Joe Schmidt ... his autobiography which he wrote himself
Umm ...
Can only assume they meant that he didn't use a ghost writer?
Otherwise, yes, umm...
@Snowy said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@booboo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Joe Schmidt ... his autobiography which he wrote himself
Umm ...
Can only assume they meant that he didn't use a ghost writer?
Otherwise, yes, umm...
Yeah.... I'm pretty sure you're right: the definition of "autobiography" seems to have become fluid.
-
-
@Tim interesting it doesn't address if he has or hasn't applied...
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Tim interesting it doesn't address if he has or hasn't applied...
I thought he reckoned he was done.
