All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@chchfanatic hadn't thought of that - Brown said he'd only work with Joseph - did he say as head coach?
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If I'm talking dream teams - I'd like to see Rennie paired with Robbie Deans as attack coach. I don't think Robbie's aspiring (or saleable) to be Head Coach, but he's wandering round with vast IP.
Do we have any reference points for someone being in the Japanese club system for a long period and then coming back into SAANZAR or Home Union rugby?
I'm not dead against it (very envious of Warratahs getting Penny when the Blues should have been looking for a coach if they didn't go early) - but looking at the gulf of talent within playing rosters in Japan it does seem like tactically it could be a very "weak-link" type game over there; which doesn't translate at test level anymore.
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@chchfanatic said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I know foster went in with Brown and JJ as his assistants.
I didn't know anyone had "went in" already.
For Brown/JJ being 10-15 years into their coaching careers and being on the right side of 50 taking assistants roles and continue to develop under a more experienced coach could be the right move.
If it goes well; the NZRU have shown they will honour succession, and if things go badly there is still time/opportunity to come back (Smith, Mitch if he had wanted IMO).
It would need to be from the Gatland/Schmidt/Foster/Rennie cohort and for different reasons none of those three are available or the obvious fit.
Did Rennie and Joseph cross paths at the back end of his Wellington run I wonder? Rennie-Joseph-Brown would be pretty bloody good.
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@rotated Eddie Jones did 3 years at Suntory before moving up to Japan then England.
Test match currency might be a bit of an issue for Robbie, but he'd have five months to study to catch up if necessary. But, if we were to take e.g. Dave Rennie - I'd imagine he'd need to spend quite a bit of time studying differences between club and country as well.
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
so is that coaching panel appointed to ensure Fozzie doesnt just walk it, or just appear that way if he gets the gig?
At this rate, they wont be done by Xmas!!
Spot on I reckon it is already decided but have to have transperency
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@rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If it goes well; the NZRU have shown they will honour succession, and if things go badly there is still time/opportunity to come back (Smith, Mitch if he had wanted IMO).
There are some areas where bodies have to respect previous decisions, because it enhances trust. You don't shit on your present sponsors because you know that will affect later potential partners' willingness to trust you.
But the people who are making the decision this year aren't bound to select the coach based on how previous panels decided. The panel are different people. The applicants are different people with different histories. The All Blacks are in a different situation from previous years.
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@Snowy said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@booboo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Joe Schmidt ... his autobiography which he wrote himself
Umm ...
Can only assume they meant that he didn't use a ghost writer?
Otherwise, yes, umm...
Yeah.... I'm pretty sure you're right: the definition of "autobiography" seems to have become fluid.
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@Tim interesting it doesn't address if he has or hasn't applied...
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Tim interesting it doesn't address if he has or hasn't applied...
I thought he reckoned he was done.
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@canefan he said that years back, but his name has been thrown about this week, so you'd have thought the 'reporter' would have at least asked him....
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@taniwharugby Roll out the welcome mat if he wants back in
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Only in NZ would you get this kind of article
Not convinced myself that a politically correct, fully diversified, wholly representative panel would make a better choice than people who know a thing or two about rugby, but there we go.
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Gatland has already said 'no' to the invitation to apply.
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@Billy-Tell Kind of a stupid article.
Norquay says there's no Maori or PI representative. What about Wai Taumanu?
What? She can't be the token maori because she's the token woman!
Norquay says we should have an ex-player - maybe Kev Mealamu.
What's wrong with Mark Robinson being the ex-player?
Perhaps people have more than one dimension!
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Not that I’ve read the article of course, but that’s a silly attitude if they want to see female, Maori, and PI coaches. Right now, two of the favorites are Maori (Joseph, Brown), and another is a Cook Islander (Rennie). In fact, that is my preferred team - but it’s going nothing to do with skin pigment.
I don’t have any problem with a female coach either, but none of them then are within a country mile of having a good enough CV to even interview, in the same way that there are no blokes even close to good enough to coach the ferns.
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It's funny how some people pick up that one paragraph in the article about not including Maori or PI members in the selection panel, or more women.
The whole article is more an argument for including people from outside the NZR establishment. Reason would be that they might ask the candidates different questions, because they have different backgrounds. They'd think outside the box. I do agree with that and, for that reason, I think Waimarama Taumaunu is a good choice.
Where the article becomes ridiculous is where Norquay suggests that Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe and - especially - My Food Bag entrepreneurs Nadia Lim and Theresa Gattung as panel members. Business leaders could be useful as members of the NZR board, but I don't see what they bring when selecting a head coach. Former ABs (or BFs) could be useful; experienced head coaches of other major sports teams as well. If one or more of those are Maori or PI that would be great, but it should be the sole reason for inviting them to sit on the panel.
Apart from that, Norquay just sounds like an arrogant prick, who has a very simplistic view of sports coaching.
