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All Black Coach - Ian Foster

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/117227389/wayne-smiths-warning-for-new-zealand-rugby-as-race-for-steve-hansens-replacement-heats-up

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      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/117227389/wayne-smiths-warning-for-new-zealand-rugby-as-race-for-steve-hansens-replacement-heats-up

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      @Tim interesting it doesn't address if he has or hasn't applied...

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      • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

        @Tim interesting it doesn't address if he has or hasn't applied...

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        @taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

        @Tim interesting it doesn't address if he has or hasn't applied...

        I thought he reckoned he was done.

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        • canefanC canefan

          @taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

          @Tim interesting it doesn't address if he has or hasn't applied...

          I thought he reckoned he was done.

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          @canefan he said that years back, but his name has been thrown about this week, so you'd have thought the 'reporter' would have at least asked him....

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          • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

            @canefan he said that years back, but his name has been thrown about this week, so you'd have thought the 'reporter' would have at least asked him....

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            @taniwharugby Roll out the welcome mat if he wants back in

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              Only in NZ would you get this kind of article

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/117322279/going-out-on-a-lim-nz-rugbys-all-blacks-coach-panel-needs-some-fresh-ingredients

              Not convinced myself that a politically correct, fully diversified, wholly representative panel would make a better choice than people who know a thing or two about rugby, but there we go.

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                Gatland has already said 'no' to the invitation to apply.

                .

                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/117341121/chiefs-coach-warren-gatland-reveals-why-he-turned-down-all-blacks

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                • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                  Only in NZ would you get this kind of article

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/117322279/going-out-on-a-lim-nz-rugbys-all-blacks-coach-panel-needs-some-fresh-ingredients

                  Not convinced myself that a politically correct, fully diversified, wholly representative panel would make a better choice than people who know a thing or two about rugby, but there we go.

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                  @Billy-Tell Kind of a stupid article.

                  Norquay says there's no Maori or PI representative. What about Wai Taumanu?

                  What? She can't be the token maori because she's the token woman! 🙂

                  Norquay says we should have an ex-player - maybe Kev Mealamu.

                  What's wrong with Mark Robinson being the ex-player?

                  Perhaps people have more than one dimension!

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                  • Chris B.C Chris B.

                    @Billy-Tell Kind of a stupid article.

                    Norquay says there's no Maori or PI representative. What about Wai Taumanu?

                    What? She can't be the token maori because she's the token woman! 🙂

                    Norquay says we should have an ex-player - maybe Kev Mealamu.

                    What's wrong with Mark Robinson being the ex-player?

                    Perhaps people have more than one dimension!

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                    @Chris-B I think it's clear Norquay's sexist and a racist.

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                      Not that I’ve read the article of course, but that’s a silly attitude if they want to see female, Maori, and PI coaches. Right now, two of the favorites are Maori (Joseph, Brown), and another is a Cook Islander (Rennie). In fact, that is my preferred team - but it’s going nothing to do with skin pigment.

                      I don’t have any problem with a female coach either, but none of them then are within a country mile of having a good enough CV to even interview, in the same way that there are no blokes even close to good enough to coach the ferns.

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                        It's funny how some people pick up that one paragraph in the article about not including Maori or PI members in the selection panel, or more women.

                        The whole article is more an argument for including people from outside the NZR establishment. Reason would be that they might ask the candidates different questions, because they have different backgrounds. They'd think outside the box. I do agree with that and, for that reason, I think Waimarama Taumaunu is a good choice.

                        Where the article becomes ridiculous is where Norquay suggests that Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe and - especially - My Food Bag entrepreneurs Nadia Lim and Theresa Gattung as panel members. Business leaders could be useful as members of the NZR board, but I don't see what they bring when selecting a head coach. Former ABs (or BFs) could be useful; experienced head coaches of other major sports teams as well. If one or more of those are Maori or PI that would be great, but it should be the sole reason for inviting them to sit on the panel.

                        Apart from that, Norquay just sounds like an arrogant prick, who has a very simplistic view of sports coaching.

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                        • StargazerS Stargazer

                          It's funny how some people pick up that one paragraph in the article about not including Maori or PI members in the selection panel, or more women.

                          The whole article is more an argument for including people from outside the NZR establishment. Reason would be that they might ask the candidates different questions, because they have different backgrounds. They'd think outside the box. I do agree with that and, for that reason, I think Waimarama Taumaunu is a good choice.

                          Where the article becomes ridiculous is where Norquay suggests that Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe and - especially - My Food Bag entrepreneurs Nadia Lim and Theresa Gattung as panel members. Business leaders could be useful as members of the NZR board, but I don't see what they bring when selecting a head coach. Former ABs (or BFs) could be useful; experienced head coaches of other major sports teams as well. If one or more of those are Maori or PI that would be great, but it should be the sole reason for inviting them to sit on the panel.

                          Apart from that, Norquay just sounds like an arrogant prick, who has a very simplistic view of sports coaching.

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                          @Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                          arrogant prick, who has a very simplistic view of sports coaching

                          if we are honest, that qualifies to be a regular poster here

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                          • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                            @Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                            arrogant prick, who has a very simplistic view of sports coaching

                            if we are honest, that qualifies to be a regular poster here

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                            @mariner4life

                            alt text

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                            • StargazerS Stargazer

                              It's funny how some people pick up that one paragraph in the article about not including Maori or PI members in the selection panel, or more women.

                              The whole article is more an argument for including people from outside the NZR establishment. Reason would be that they might ask the candidates different questions, because they have different backgrounds. They'd think outside the box. I do agree with that and, for that reason, I think Waimarama Taumaunu is a good choice.

                              Where the article becomes ridiculous is where Norquay suggests that Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe and - especially - My Food Bag entrepreneurs Nadia Lim and Theresa Gattung as panel members. Business leaders could be useful as members of the NZR board, but I don't see what they bring when selecting a head coach. Former ABs (or BFs) could be useful; experienced head coaches of other major sports teams as well. If one or more of those are Maori or PI that would be great, but it should be the sole reason for inviting them to sit on the panel.

                              Apart from that, Norquay just sounds like an arrogant prick, who has a very simplistic view of sports coaching.

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                              @Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                              Where the article becomes ridiculous is where Norquay suggests that Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe and - especially - My Food Bag entrepreneurs Nadia Lim and Theresa Gattung as panel members. Business leaders could be useful as members of the NZR board, but I don't see what they bring when selecting a head coach. Former ABs (or BFs) could be useful; experienced head coaches of other major sports teams as well. If one or more of those are Maori or PI that would be great, but it should be the sole reason for inviting them to sit on the panel.

                              If only NZR had the benefit of looking at boards comprised of skills outside of rugby to see how well they could be run, like the Blues for example...

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                              • StargazerS Stargazer

                                It's funny how some people pick up that one paragraph in the article about not including Maori or PI members in the selection panel, or more women.

                                The whole article is more an argument for including people from outside the NZR establishment. Reason would be that they might ask the candidates different questions, because they have different backgrounds. They'd think outside the box. I do agree with that and, for that reason, I think Waimarama Taumaunu is a good choice.

                                Where the article becomes ridiculous is where Norquay suggests that Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe and - especially - My Food Bag entrepreneurs Nadia Lim and Theresa Gattung as panel members. Business leaders could be useful as members of the NZR board, but I don't see what they bring when selecting a head coach. Former ABs (or BFs) could be useful; experienced head coaches of other major sports teams as well. If one or more of those are Maori or PI that would be great, but it should be the sole reason for inviting them to sit on the panel.

                                Apart from that, Norquay just sounds like an arrogant prick, who has a very simplistic view of sports coaching.

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                                @Stargazer If you're having a five person panel, I'd want at least three from the rugby establishment- so at most you're swapping out one person for someone more diverse.

                                I hope they don't put much weight on the formal interviews - I want someone who is a good coach, not someone who is good at interviews.

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                                • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                  @Stargazer If you're having a five person panel, I'd want at least three from the rugby establishment- so at most you're swapping out one person for someone more diverse.

                                  I hope they don't put much weight on the formal interviews - I want someone who is a good coach, not someone who is good at interviews.

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                                  @Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                                  I hope they don't put much weight on the formal interviews - I want someone who is a good coach, not someone who is good at interviews.

                                  That's how you end up with a guy like this

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                                  • canefanC canefan

                                    @Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                                    I hope they don't put much weight on the formal interviews - I want someone who is a good coach, not someone who is good at interviews.

                                    That's how you end up with a guy like this

                                    alt text

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                                    @canefan

                                    Careful - if Brett Impey forgets his spectacles he won't read the fine print and will count that as one vote for Hammer!

                                    6c022b05-a752-4d7c-8dea-89495902f3f4-image.png

                                    ...and now there's two! 🙂

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                                      https://twitter.com/paulcullystuff/status/1194111818526003200

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                                      • StargazerS Stargazer

                                        https://twitter.com/paulcullystuff/status/1194111818526003200

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                                        @Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                                        https://twitter.com/paulcullystuff/status/1194111818526003200

                                        no fucking shit Aaron

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                                        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                          @Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                                          https://twitter.com/paulcullystuff/status/1194111818526003200

                                          no fucking shit Aaron

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                                          @mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                                          @Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                                          https://twitter.com/paulcullystuff/status/1194111818526003200

                                          no fucking shit Aaron

                                          At least he's self aware enough to recognise it.

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