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  • Billy TellB Offline
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    Only in NZ would you get this kind of article

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/117322279/going-out-on-a-lim-nz-rugbys-all-blacks-coach-panel-needs-some-fresh-ingredients

    Not convinced myself that a politically correct, fully diversified, wholly representative panel would make a better choice than people who know a thing or two about rugby, but there we go.

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    Gatland has already said 'no' to the invitation to apply.

    .

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/117341121/chiefs-coach-warren-gatland-reveals-why-he-turned-down-all-blacks

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    @Billy-Tell Kind of a stupid article.

    Norquay says there's no Maori or PI representative. What about Wai Taumanu?

    What? She can't be the token maori because she's the token woman! 🙂

    Norquay says we should have an ex-player - maybe Kev Mealamu.

    What's wrong with Mark Robinson being the ex-player?

    Perhaps people have more than one dimension!

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    @Chris-B I think it's clear Norquay's sexist and a racist.

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    Not that I’ve read the article of course, but that’s a silly attitude if they want to see female, Maori, and PI coaches. Right now, two of the favorites are Maori (Joseph, Brown), and another is a Cook Islander (Rennie). In fact, that is my preferred team - but it’s going nothing to do with skin pigment.

    I don’t have any problem with a female coach either, but none of them then are within a country mile of having a good enough CV to even interview, in the same way that there are no blokes even close to good enough to coach the ferns.

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    It's funny how some people pick up that one paragraph in the article about not including Maori or PI members in the selection panel, or more women.

    The whole article is more an argument for including people from outside the NZR establishment. Reason would be that they might ask the candidates different questions, because they have different backgrounds. They'd think outside the box. I do agree with that and, for that reason, I think Waimarama Taumaunu is a good choice.

    Where the article becomes ridiculous is where Norquay suggests that Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe and - especially - My Food Bag entrepreneurs Nadia Lim and Theresa Gattung as panel members. Business leaders could be useful as members of the NZR board, but I don't see what they bring when selecting a head coach. Former ABs (or BFs) could be useful; experienced head coaches of other major sports teams as well. If one or more of those are Maori or PI that would be great, but it should be the sole reason for inviting them to sit on the panel.

    Apart from that, Norquay just sounds like an arrogant prick, who has a very simplistic view of sports coaching.

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    @Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    arrogant prick, who has a very simplistic view of sports coaching

    if we are honest, that qualifies to be a regular poster here

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    @mariner4life

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    @Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    Where the article becomes ridiculous is where Norquay suggests that Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe and - especially - My Food Bag entrepreneurs Nadia Lim and Theresa Gattung as panel members. Business leaders could be useful as members of the NZR board, but I don't see what they bring when selecting a head coach. Former ABs (or BFs) could be useful; experienced head coaches of other major sports teams as well. If one or more of those are Maori or PI that would be great, but it should be the sole reason for inviting them to sit on the panel.

    If only NZR had the benefit of looking at boards comprised of skills outside of rugby to see how well they could be run, like the Blues for example...

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    @Stargazer If you're having a five person panel, I'd want at least three from the rugby establishment- so at most you're swapping out one person for someone more diverse.

    I hope they don't put much weight on the formal interviews - I want someone who is a good coach, not someone who is good at interviews.

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    @Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    I hope they don't put much weight on the formal interviews - I want someone who is a good coach, not someone who is good at interviews.

    That's how you end up with a guy like this

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    @canefan

    Careful - if Brett Impey forgets his spectacles he won't read the fine print and will count that as one vote for Hammer!

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    ...and now there's two! 🙂

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    @Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    no fucking shit Aaron

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    @Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    no fucking shit Aaron

    At least he's self aware enough to recognise it.

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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12284608&ref=rss

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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12284803

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    @Billy-Tell said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    Don't think John Mitchell has been approached. The job ad specifically says the NZRU are looking for the best and not a journeyman.

    Cueball only ever coached what he called "Development Teams" IIRC...

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    Robertson mentioned he coached club sides.
    What was his record like at that level?

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    @Frank said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    Robertson mentioned he coached club sides.
    What was his record like at that level?

    Think he won Chch comp with a previously unfancied team (Sumner)

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