Chiefs 2020
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@Crucial said in Chiefs 2020:
@taniwharugby said in Chiefs 2020:
Even if he doesn't wear the 10 Jersey much, he has alot to give back to NZ rugby.
Glad to see him back but I have to wonder what the plan is here. Cruden is back for one year in a position we haven’t really recruited well for. Is he a stopgap while we find someone or cross fingers? Is he here to mentor someone else?
I hope I’m wrong but this all looks like part of the holding pattern the Chiefs look to be in with an in and out coach and muddled recruitmentI hope they use him to help develop Falcon (all signs are there that he has re-signed). Falcon (and maybe another young 10 like Trask) should be the Chiefs' focus and be given plenty of game time, because they're the future.
It will be interesting to see if Cruden is still good enough for SR. He wasn't getting better before he left and he's had some difficult years in France.
@Stargazer I think Cruden will slot into the chiefs culture and team like a glove, I personally think the chiefs style of game suits him as opposed to the territory oriented game they play in the French top 14.
It’s a shame Debreczini left , I was given some information yesterday that the All Black coaches wanted him on standby after Mo’unga went down during the rugby championship, unbeknown to them Debreczini signed a deal with a Japanese club halfway through the super season, he was concerned that he was not getting game time because of the niggly injuries and decided to cover his bases
On saying all of that he probably did not know he was in that particular frame at that time
I am 100% convinced had he not signed in Japan the chiefs would have extended his contract .
Talking to the Northland assistant coach yesterday , Debreczini has a very sharp rugby brain, has an awareness of space both outside and in and at 6”3 asks a lot of questions when running at the line .
Personally I think hes better than any pivot they have in Australia, and would have easily been in the top 4 in NZ. -
@Stargazer I think Cruden will slot into the chiefs culture and team like a glove, I personally think the chiefs style of game suits him as opposed to the territory oriented game they play in the French top 14.
It’s a shame Debreczini left , I was given some information yesterday that the All Black coaches wanted him on standby after Mo’unga went down during the rugby championship, unbeknown to them Debreczini signed a deal with a Japanese club halfway through the super season, he was concerned that he was not getting game time because of the niggly injuries and decided to cover his bases
On saying all of that he probably did not know he was in that particular frame at that time
I am 100% convinced had he not signed in Japan the chiefs would have extended his contract .
Talking to the Northland assistant coach yesterday , Debreczini has a very sharp rugby brain, has an awareness of space both outside and in and at 6”3 asks a lot of questions when running at the line .
Personally I think hes better than any pivot they have in Australia, and would have easily been in the top 4 in NZ. -
Is marty meckenzie still with the chiefs
@Jonty-lean said in Chiefs 2020:
Is marty meckenzie still with the chiefs
I doubt it. That was very much a Colin Cooper signing.
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One of the worst things from Coops was his Taranaki bias. In 2018 when we had Ngatai who was a great 12, he was being chucked at 15 so Fa'auli could be played at 12, he was shite. Parete is another example. MMac was Taranaki and had ties with Coops as well. Annoying to hear Debs was in the running and left, bad timing really.
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One of the worst things from Coops was his Taranaki bias. In 2018 when we had Ngatai who was a great 12, he was being chucked at 15 so Fa'auli could be played at 12, he was shite. Parete is another example. MMac was Taranaki and had ties with Coops as well. Annoying to hear Debs was in the running and left, bad timing really.
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As mentioned in the article Cruden should bring up 100 games for the Chiefs in 2020.
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@Bovidae "Should" - the main benefit will be the experience and knowledge he brings to his understudies.
@antipodean "Should" as in Cruden needs to stay injury free to reach that milestone. The article touches on the benefits he will bring off the field, including mentoring the younger backs.
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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/welsh-rugby-region-closing-deal-17200879
MMac seems to be heading to Wales. Can we celebrate this as a small victory?
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/welsh-rugby-region-closing-deal-17200879
MMac seems to be heading to Wales. Can we celebrate this as a small victory?
The land that loves our mediocre first-fives....
Nah, good on him, will probably do well up there. Actually has solid skills and a lot of experience. Will suit no risk competition rugby.
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@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/welsh-rugby-region-closing-deal-17200879
MMac seems to be heading to Wales. Can we celebrate this as a small victory?
The land that loves our mediocre first-fives....
Nah, good on him, will probably do well up there. Actually has solid skills and a lot of experience. Will suit no risk competition rugby.
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@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial experience, yes. Skills, debatable.
I said solid skills not outstanding skills.
I think that our high standards in looking for the exceptional in players in NZ often make us blind or overly critical to players with very good basic skill levels that would be welcome in many clubs around the world.
Anscombe and Gopperth are a couple of examples of guys that have done much better for themselves finding an environment that desires basics rather than pushing too hard for the exceptional. -
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial experience, yes. Skills, debatable.
I said solid skills not outstanding skills.
I think that our high standards in looking for the exceptional in players in NZ often make us blind or overly critical to players with very good basic skill levels that would be welcome in many clubs around the world.
Anscombe and Gopperth are a couple of examples of guys that have done much better for themselves finding an environment that desires basics rather than pushing too hard for the exceptional.@Crucial said in Chiefs 2020:
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial experience, yes. Skills, debatable.
I said solid skills not outstanding skills.
I think that our high standards in looking for the exceptional in players in NZ often make us blind or overly critical to players with very good basic skill levels that would be welcome in many clubs around the world.
Anscombe and Gopperth are a couple of examples of guys that have done much better for themselves finding an environment that desires basics rather than pushing too hard for the exceptional.that is a fair point, we, as fans, have gone away from valuing "glue" players. If a bloke isn't a potential AB, we are already looking for the replacement.
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@Crucial said in Chiefs 2020:
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial experience, yes. Skills, debatable.
I said solid skills not outstanding skills.
I think that our high standards in looking for the exceptional in players in NZ often make us blind or overly critical to players with very good basic skill levels that would be welcome in many clubs around the world.
Anscombe and Gopperth are a couple of examples of guys that have done much better for themselves finding an environment that desires basics rather than pushing too hard for the exceptional.that is a fair point, we, as fans, have gone away from valuing "glue" players. If a bloke isn't a potential AB, we are already looking for the replacement.
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2020:
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial experience, yes. Skills, debatable.
I said solid skills not outstanding skills.
I think that our high standards in looking for the exceptional in players in NZ often make us blind or overly critical to players with very good basic skill levels that would be welcome in many clubs around the world.
Anscombe and Gopperth are a couple of examples of guys that have done much better for themselves finding an environment that desires basics rather than pushing too hard for the exceptional.that is a fair point, we, as fans, have gone away from valuing "glue" players. If a bloke isn't a potential AB, we are already looking for the replacement.
He wasn’t an Andrew Horrell though, that’s exactly the problem with him - reasonable goal kicking aside, he has short distance kicking with the boot, is slow as fuck, and is not a great passer - making him the perfect back up first five for Chiefs rugby. Thanks Colin!
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2020:
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial experience, yes. Skills, debatable.
I said solid skills not outstanding skills.
I think that our high standards in looking for the exceptional in players in NZ often make us blind or overly critical to players with very good basic skill levels that would be welcome in many clubs around the world.
Anscombe and Gopperth are a couple of examples of guys that have done much better for themselves finding an environment that desires basics rather than pushing too hard for the exceptional.that is a fair point, we, as fans, have gone away from valuing "glue" players. If a bloke isn't a potential AB, we are already looking for the replacement.
He wasn’t an Andrew Horrell though, that’s exactly the problem with him - reasonable goal kicking aside, he has short distance kicking with the boot, is slow as fuck, and is not a great passer - making him the perfect back up first five for Chiefs rugby. Thanks Colin!
@gt12 said in Chiefs 2020:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2020:
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial experience, yes. Skills, debatable.
I said solid skills not outstanding skills.
I think that our high standards in looking for the exceptional in players in NZ often make us blind or overly critical to players with very good basic skill levels that would be welcome in many clubs around the world.
Anscombe and Gopperth are a couple of examples of guys that have done much better for themselves finding an environment that desires basics rather than pushing too hard for the exceptional.that is a fair point, we, as fans, have gone away from valuing "glue" players. If a bloke isn't a potential AB, we are already looking for the replacement.
He wasn’t an Andrew Horrell though, that’s exactly the problem with him - reasonable goal kicking aside, he has short distance kicking with the boot, is slow as fuck, and is not a great passer - making him the perfect back up first five for Chiefs rugby. Thanks Colin!
we had more holes than just Marty. Our squad was pretty ordinary.
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@Crucial said in Chiefs 2020:
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial experience, yes. Skills, debatable.
I said solid skills not outstanding skills.
I think that our high standards in looking for the exceptional in players in NZ often make us blind or overly critical to players with very good basic skill levels that would be welcome in many clubs around the world.
Anscombe and Gopperth are a couple of examples of guys that have done much better for themselves finding an environment that desires basics rather than pushing too hard for the exceptional.that is a fair point, we, as fans, have gone away from valuing "glue" players. If a bloke isn't a potential AB, we are already looking for the replacement.
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2020:
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial experience, yes. Skills, debatable.
I said solid skills not outstanding skills.
I think that our high standards in looking for the exceptional in players in NZ often make us blind or overly critical to players with very good basic skill levels that would be welcome in many clubs around the world.
Anscombe and Gopperth are a couple of examples of guys that have done much better for themselves finding an environment that desires basics rather than pushing too hard for the exceptional.that is a fair point, we, as fans, have gone away from valuing "glue" players. If a bloke isn't a potential AB, we are already looking for the replacement.
True. Look at MMac's play for the Chiefs last year. He was the best option they had and once the style was adjusted so that it didn't rely on creativity from 10 they did Ok. He steered them around and sat back when the tempo increased so that others could take advantage.
A better option than throwing a green youngster with potential into the critical position. -
MMac's major problem is the talent wasn't evenly distributed in his family.
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@gt12 said in Chiefs 2020:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2020:
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial experience, yes. Skills, debatable.
I said solid skills not outstanding skills.
I think that our high standards in looking for the exceptional in players in NZ often make us blind or overly critical to players with very good basic skill levels that would be welcome in many clubs around the world.
Anscombe and Gopperth are a couple of examples of guys that have done much better for themselves finding an environment that desires basics rather than pushing too hard for the exceptional.that is a fair point, we, as fans, have gone away from valuing "glue" players. If a bloke isn't a potential AB, we are already looking for the replacement.
He wasn’t an Andrew Horrell though, that’s exactly the problem with him - reasonable goal kicking aside, he has short distance kicking with the boot, is slow as fuck, and is not a great passer - making him the perfect back up first five for Chiefs rugby. Thanks Colin!
we had more holes than just Marty. Our squad was pretty ordinary.
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2020:
@gt12 said in Chiefs 2020:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2020:
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2020:
@Crucial experience, yes. Skills, debatable.
I said solid skills not outstanding skills.
I think that our high standards in looking for the exceptional in players in NZ often make us blind or overly critical to players with very good basic skill levels that would be welcome in many clubs around the world.
Anscombe and Gopperth are a couple of examples of guys that have done much better for themselves finding an environment that desires basics rather than pushing too hard for the exceptional.that is a fair point, we, as fans, have gone away from valuing "glue" players. If a bloke isn't a potential AB, we are already looking for the replacement.
He wasn’t an Andrew Horrell though, that’s exactly the problem with him - reasonable goal kicking aside, he has short distance kicking with the boot, is slow as fuck, and is not a great passer - making him the perfect back up first five for Chiefs rugby. Thanks Colin!
we had more holes than just Marty. Our squad was pretty ordinary.
Agreed, but he just wasn’t quite good enough.
My personal feeling is that beyond the star power he had (Cruden, SBW, Cane, Messam, then Retallick), it was the squad selections by Rennie and his team that paid off. Horrell, Tiks, Sona, Robinson (fitting given that they are cousins) were all players who could come in and fill a role in alignment with strategy.
With Cooper it seemed to be, I know him from Taranaki, good man, that’ll do. I hope that lesson has been learned....
