All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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After today’s news, it’s a two horse race and depends to me entirely on who the assistants are - what’s our speculation about who they might be?
Foster will have McLeod and ?
Robertson ? And ?
Let’s say either has Wayne Smith, then step forward please. That would sway it for me. Also, if either now had Tony Brown (yet to be contracted at Japan and could be a wildcard, although a flipflopper if that happened).
I’d also be impressed if Razor can bring back O’Gara.
What are the thoughts?
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
After today’s news, it’s a two horse race and depends to me entirely on who the assistants are - what’s our speculation about who they might be?
Foster will have McLeod and ?
I wouldn't be surprised if Foster has approached Colin Cooper. They were co-coaches of the JABs and Cooper is an old-school forwards coach.
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@MajorRage said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Bovidae No idea what your talking about
Cheika has said numerous times, including during the RWC, that he doesn't spend any time analysing the opposition teams.
@Bovidae said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@MajorRage said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Bovidae No idea what your talking about
Cheika has said numerous times, including during the RWC, that he doesn't spend any time analysing the opposition teams.
Right. Well, if thats his method, thats his method.
I'd say that in the RWC semi final, we'd spent too long analysing the opposition team.
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@Bones said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@MajorRage said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Bones said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@MajorRage said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I would 100% genuinely take Chieka over Foster.
Eh? What in the world is that based on? It being proven Cheika is a terrible coach?
Chiefs fans don't forget the Foster years.
Chieka isn't a bad coach. Not sure he's a great manager tho.
Based on?
Tahs - super rugby.
Wallabies - world cup final
Leinster - heineken cup, pro 14@MajorRage said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Bones said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@MajorRage said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Bones said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@MajorRage said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I would 100% genuinely take Chieka over Foster.
Eh? What in the world is that based on? It being proven Cheika is a terrible coach?
Chiefs fans don't forget the Foster years.
Chieka isn't a bad coach. Not sure he's a great manager tho.
Based on?
Tahs - super rugby.
Wallabies - world cup final
Leinster - heineken cup, pro 14That's ignoring an immense amount of luck in the 2015 RWC and the work of previous coaches like Declan Kidney and Chris Hickey. What transformed the Tahs was a South African flanker and a bit of luck in the final.
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@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
After today’s news, it’s a two horse race and depends to me entirely on who the assistants are - what’s our speculation about who they might be?
Foster will have McLeod and ?
I wouldn't be surprised if Foster has approached Colin Cooper. They were co-coaches of the JABs and Cooper is an old-school forwards coach.
@Bovidae said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
After today’s news, it’s a two horse race and depends to me entirely on who the assistants are - what’s our speculation about who they might be?
Foster will have McLeod and ?
I wouldn't be surprised if Foster has approached Colin Cooper. They were co-coaches of the JABs and Cooper is an old-school forwards coach.
Christ.
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@Bones said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@MajorRage good coach for a couple of years and then downhill?
Quite possibly.
I think there is a shit ton of politics to deal with in the Wallabies camp as well. Hence a good coach, won't necessarily make a good Wallabies coach.
Lots of people (well, Cantabs) thought Deans was a coaching god, but his record with Oz not that diff to Chiek
@MajorRage said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Bones said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@MajorRage good coach for a couple of years and then downhill?
Quite possibly.
I think there is a shit ton of politics to deal with in the Wallabies camp as well. Hence a good coach, won't necessarily make a good Wallabies coach.
Lots of people (well, Cantabs) thought Deans was a coaching god, but his record with Oz not that diff to Chiek
Deans had around 56% win rate with the Wallabies compared to Cheika 52% not a lot of between them and you go back along way to find a better win ratio for The Wallabies...
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@Bovidae said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
After today’s news, it’s a two horse race and depends to me entirely on who the assistants are - what’s our speculation about who they might be?
Foster will have McLeod and ?
I wouldn't be surprised if Foster has approached Colin Cooper. They were co-coaches of the JABs and Cooper is an old-school forwards coach.
Christ.
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Bovidae said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
After today’s news, it’s a two horse race and depends to me entirely on who the assistants are - what’s our speculation about who they might be?
Foster will have McLeod and ?
I wouldn't be surprised if Foster has approached Colin Cooper. They were co-coaches of the JABs and Cooper is an old-school forwards coach.
Christ.
Jesus
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@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Bovidae said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
After today’s news, it’s a two horse race and depends to me entirely on who the assistants are - what’s our speculation about who they might be?
Foster will have McLeod and ?
I wouldn't be surprised if Foster has approached Colin Cooper. They were co-coaches of the JABs and Cooper is an old-school forwards coach.
Christ.
Jesus
@Chris said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Bovidae said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
After today’s news, it’s a two horse race and depends to me entirely on who the assistants are - what’s our speculation about who they might be?
Foster will have McLeod and ?
I wouldn't be surprised if Foster has approached Colin Cooper. They were co-coaches of the JABs and Cooper is an old-school forwards coach.
Christ.
Jesus
Yes my children?
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@Chris said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Bovidae said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
After today’s news, it’s a two horse race and depends to me entirely on who the assistants are - what’s our speculation about who they might be?
Foster will have McLeod and ?
I wouldn't be surprised if Foster has approached Colin Cooper. They were co-coaches of the JABs and Cooper is an old-school forwards coach.
Christ.
Jesus
Yes my children?
@voodoo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chris said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Bovidae said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
After today’s news, it’s a two horse race and depends to me entirely on who the assistants are - what’s our speculation about who they might be?
Foster will have McLeod and ?
I wouldn't be surprised if Foster has approached Colin Cooper. They were co-coaches of the JABs and Cooper is an old-school forwards coach.
Christ.
Jesus
Yes my children?
Show us the way
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Hopefully an interview will come out with Rennie and he may answer the question.
Perhaps he wants the lower pressure job of building Aus up and I'm sure it pays well. Seems like a good challenge to me.
My preference all along is Robertson, but if they choose Foster I think we are screwed, our attack is basically just try and score off turnover ball and that's about it. We finally showed a backline move against Ireland and it looked great, buts all I can remember in all the years he has been the attack coach.Edit:
Little more info here..
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/dave-rennie-reveals-why-he-opted-for-wallabies-over-a-chance-with-the-all-blacks
"“I’m a proud Kiwi but the big thing is I’ve been talking to Australia for a lot of months and the All Blacks interest came in late in the piece and by that stage, we’d done a lot of homework, we were really excited about the opportunity to go to Australia and that ended up being an easy decision,” Rennie told rugby.com.au."Guess NZRU is just dropping the ball here. Why wait till the last min to approach coaches, this should have been done age ago.
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Hopefully an interview will come out with Rennie and he may answer the question.
Perhaps he wants the lower pressure job of building Aus up and I'm sure it pays well. Seems like a good challenge to me.
My preference all along is Robertson, but if they choose Foster I think we are screwed, our attack is basically just try and score off turnover ball and that's about it. We finally showed a backline move against Ireland and it looked great, buts all I can remember in all the years he has been the attack coach.Edit:
Little more info here..
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/dave-rennie-reveals-why-he-opted-for-wallabies-over-a-chance-with-the-all-blacks
"“I’m a proud Kiwi but the big thing is I’ve been talking to Australia for a lot of months and the All Blacks interest came in late in the piece and by that stage, we’d done a lot of homework, we were really excited about the opportunity to go to Australia and that ended up being an easy decision,” Rennie told rugby.com.au."Guess NZRU is just dropping the ball here. Why wait till the last min to approach coaches, this should have been done age ago.
@Darren I'm not sure that Aus job would be lower pressure - there's some good talent there from a limited pool which is what he thrives at - but if he can't get them to perform then he'll be set upon by the fans I'd say and most likely thrown under the bus.
NZRU Agent strikes again.
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Hopefully an interview will come out with Rennie and he may answer the question.
Perhaps he wants the lower pressure job of building Aus up and I'm sure it pays well. Seems like a good challenge to me.
My preference all along is Robertson, but if they choose Foster I think we are screwed, our attack is basically just try and score off turnover ball and that's about it. We finally showed a backline move against Ireland and it looked great, buts all I can remember in all the years he has been the attack coach.Edit:
Little more info here..
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/dave-rennie-reveals-why-he-opted-for-wallabies-over-a-chance-with-the-all-blacks
"“I’m a proud Kiwi but the big thing is I’ve been talking to Australia for a lot of months and the All Blacks interest came in late in the piece and by that stage, we’d done a lot of homework, we were really excited about the opportunity to go to Australia and that ended up being an easy decision,” Rennie told rugby.com.au."Guess NZRU is just dropping the ball here. Why wait till the last min to approach coaches, this should have been done age ago.
@Darren said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Hopefully an interview will come out with Rennie and he may answer the question.
Perhaps he wants the lower pressure job of building Aus up and I'm sure it pays well. Seems like a good challenge to me.
My preference all along is Robertson, but if they choose Foster I think we are screwed, our attack is basically just try and score off turnover ball and that's about it. We finally showed a backline move against Ireland and it looked great, buts all I can remember in all the years he has been the attack coach.Edit:
Little more info here..
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/dave-rennie-reveals-why-he-opted-for-wallabies-over-a-chance-with-the-all-blacks
"“I’m a proud Kiwi but the big thing is I’ve been talking to Australia for a lot of months and the All Blacks interest came in late in the piece and by that stage, we’d done a lot of homework, we were really excited about the opportunity to go to Australia and that ended up being an easy decision,” Rennie told rugby.com.au."Guess NZRU is just dropping the ball here. Why wait till the last min to approach coaches, this should have been done age ago.
Yeah it’s not like they haven’t know Shag was leaving for the last 2 years...
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Hopefully an interview will come out with Rennie and he may answer the question.
Perhaps he wants the lower pressure job of building Aus up and I'm sure it pays well. Seems like a good challenge to me.
My preference all along is Robertson, but if they choose Foster I think we are screwed, our attack is basically just try and score off turnover ball and that's about it. We finally showed a backline move against Ireland and it looked great, buts all I can remember in all the years he has been the attack coach.Edit:
Little more info here..
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/dave-rennie-reveals-why-he-opted-for-wallabies-over-a-chance-with-the-all-blacks
"“I’m a proud Kiwi but the big thing is I’ve been talking to Australia for a lot of months and the All Blacks interest came in late in the piece and by that stage, we’d done a lot of homework, we were really excited about the opportunity to go to Australia and that ended up being an easy decision,” Rennie told rugby.com.au."Guess NZRU is just dropping the ball here. Why wait till the last min to approach coaches, this should have been done age ago.
@Darren I would say he continued going for the Job with the much greater odds of actually getting it , and I would imagine he is being rewarded financially for that as well
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I think my preferred option now is Robertson with joe Schmidt as assistant.
@Billy-Tell said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I think my preferred option now is Robertson with joe Schmidt as assistant.
Best case scenario now. Scott Robertson and a wise, older mentor figure, ideally Wayne Smith or Joe Schmidt. I'd even take Robertson with Robbie Deans over Foster and anyone.
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@Bovidae said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
After today’s news, it’s a two horse race and depends to me entirely on who the assistants are - what’s our speculation about who they might be?
Foster will have McLeod and ?
I wouldn't be surprised if Foster has approached Colin Cooper. They were co-coaches of the JABs and Cooper is an old-school forwards coach.
Christ.
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Bovidae said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I wouldn't be surprised if Foster has approached Colin Cooper. They were co-coaches of the JABs and Cooper is an old-school forwards coach.
Christ.
Why is that? Based on who is left the best candidate as forwards coach would be Cotter but is he available? I would have no problem with Cooper in charge of the forwards based on his previous body of work with the Crusaders and Maori.
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I know Tony Brown said he would stay with JJ, but he would be excellent with Razor.
Pretty amazing arrogance by NZR not to have identified say top 5 potential coaches 2 years ago and started to wine and dine them. Let them know the process, that they are genuine contenders.
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@Machpants but 2 years ago, Foster would likely have been the only option? Plus, under Tew, the contracting would likely have seen him sign 4 years with option to extend to 2023?
I think it would have been best for all, had Hansen followed Richie, Dan, Conrad, Maa, Mealamu et al in 2015...but hindsight and all
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Machpants but 2 years ago, Foster would likely have been the only option? Plus, under Tew, the contracting would likely have seen him sign 4 years with option to extend to 2023?
I think it would have been best for all, had Hansen followed Richie, Dan, Conrad, Maa, Mealamu et al in 2015...but hindsight and all
Yeah that's what I said. Hand over to Foster, he has 2 years in a team he is already part of to prove his worth. Then we'd be able to have a proper competition now. He'd have either proved himself and be almost unasailable - fine. Or crap and out.
