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All Black Coach - Ian Foster

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    @gt12 Let's forget about Cooper for this exercise. Outside of Cotter, who are the other options we have to coach the forwards?

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      So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

      NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

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      • WurzelW Wurzel

        So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

        NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

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        @Wurzel And the rest of the coaching staff?

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        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

          @rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

          While the RWC is a noble goal, given all but one RWCs in the professional era have had a finalist coached by someone who took over mid-cycle it is difficult to see a correlation between forward planning and success.

          I'm starting to think the 4-year cycle is a complete myth. I reckon it's no more than 18 months, and even then the most important part is the last 3.

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          @mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

          @rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

          While the RWC is a noble goal, given all but one RWCs in the professional era have had a finalist coached by someone who took over mid-cycle it is difficult to see a correlation between forward planning and success.

          I'm starting to think the 4-year cycle is a complete myth. I reckon it's no more than 18 months, and even then the most important part is the last 3.

          Ireland are proof of that ,

          had a brilliant 4 year cycle then fall in a hole at the end

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          • WurzelW Wurzel

            So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

            NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

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            #735

            @Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

            So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

            NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

            Seems to me an unbalanced not quite fit combination, Looks like they are hedging their bets and that doesn't normally work one stiffles the other becoming a half arsed situation..
            its almost like Foster we know isn't the man but we like him so we pair him up with the better candidate.

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            • ChrisC Chris

              @Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

              So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

              NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

              Seems to me an unbalanced not quite fit combination, Looks like they are hedging their bets and that doesn't normally work one stiffles the other becoming a half arsed situation..
              its almost like Foster we know isn't the man but we like him so we pair him up with the better candidate.

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              @Chris yeah I dont think it is ideal if NZR are trying to push them together, I thought the whole point of bringing your own team was so you are working with someone you know, trust, and obviously are on the same page. Not sure Fozzie & Robertson seem a natural fit, although I could be wrong too.

              However if Fozzie & Robertson had come to an agreement themselves, without NZR interference, then that works.

              Plus who else is added to the mix?

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              • WurzelW Wurzel

                So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

                NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

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                @Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future
                aspirations.

                Link to the good oil please.

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                • F Frank

                  @Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                  So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future
                  aspirations.

                  Link to the good oil please.

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                  taniwharugby
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                  @Frank not normally how good oil works around these here parts...

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                  • F Frank

                    @Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                    So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future
                    aspirations.

                    Link to the good oil please.

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                    @Frank said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                    @Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                    So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future
                    aspirations.

                    Link to the good oil please.

                    @Wurzel is good oil.

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                    • WurzelW Wurzel

                      So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

                      NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

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                      @Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                      So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

                      NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

                      For how many years? If it's only two years, and then Robertson taking over, that might not be the worst idea.

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                      • WurzelW Wurzel

                        So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

                        NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

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                        @Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                        So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

                        NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

                        Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process. Fozzie is their guy, Razor is someone they might give the big gig to further down the line but not yet.

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                        • sparkyS sparky

                          @Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                          So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

                          NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

                          Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process. Fozzie is their guy, Razor is someone they might give the big gig to further down the line but not yet.

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                          @sparky said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                          Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process.

                          disagree...maybe if Tew had still been at the helm, but I reckon Robinson will be keen to start afresh, more so after the RWC.

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                          • sparkyS sparky

                            @Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                            So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

                            NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

                            Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process. Fozzie is their guy, Razor is someone they might give the big gig to further down the line but not yet.

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                            @sparky said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                            @Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                            So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

                            NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

                            Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process. Fozzie is their guy, Razor is someone they might give the big gig to further down the line but not yet.

                            Problem with that is if Foster is not the man and shits the bed,Razor may sink with him bang goes his shot at Head Coach.

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                              Two options:

                              • Hart-Wyllie
                              • Henry-Hansen-Smith
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                              • WurzelW Wurzel

                                So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

                                NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

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                                @Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                                So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

                                NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

                                How good is that oil, Wurzel?

                                Expensive synthetic stuff you'd put in a Porsche or the sort of stuff that goes through your chainsaw bar? 🙂

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                                  We need to know the bigger picture and whether either has compelling supporting coaches in their corner. I reckon the defection of Brown could have been a fatal blow to both, but more so for Robertson.

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                                    Foster............if true........FUCK!!!!!!!!

                                    A guy who has never won anything as head coach,
                                    chosen over Robertson, Rennie and Joseph who have all won plenty as head coach.

                                    I think Steve Hansen may have had a big hand in this.

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                                    • ChrisC Chris

                                      @sparky said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                                      @Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

                                      So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

                                      NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

                                      Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process. Fozzie is their guy, Razor is someone they might give the big gig to further down the line but not yet.

                                      Problem with that is if Foster is not the man and shits the bed,Razor may sink with him bang goes his shot at Head Coach.

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                                      @Chris You've gotta hope he has the gumption to say 'OK if that's the way you roll, if it comes to a shit point in 2 years Fozzie stands down and I get a crack' And I want that in my contract.

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                                      • F Frank

                                        Foster............if true........FUCK!!!!!!!!

                                        A guy who has never won anything as head coach,
                                        chosen over Robertson, Rennie and Joseph who have all won plenty as head coach.

                                        I think Steve Hansen may have had a big hand in this.

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                                        taniwharugby
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                                        @Frank how?

                                        Hansen has endorsed him, outside of that I'm not sure how he has influenced the panel that was recently appointed.

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                                        • WurzelW Wurzel

                                          So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.

                                          NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.

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                                          @Wurzel I can 100% confirm your good oil is absolute garbage. No way in the world will razor go with Foster.

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