All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
@Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
For how many years? If it's only two years, and then Robertson taking over, that might not be the worst idea.
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So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
@Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process. Fozzie is their guy, Razor is someone they might give the big gig to further down the line but not yet.
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@Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process. Fozzie is their guy, Razor is someone they might give the big gig to further down the line but not yet.
@sparky said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process.
disagree...maybe if Tew had still been at the helm, but I reckon Robinson will be keen to start afresh, more so after the RWC.
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@Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process. Fozzie is their guy, Razor is someone they might give the big gig to further down the line but not yet.
@sparky said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process. Fozzie is their guy, Razor is someone they might give the big gig to further down the line but not yet.
Problem with that is if Foster is not the man and shits the bed,Razor may sink with him bang goes his shot at Head Coach.
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So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
@Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
How good is that oil, Wurzel?
Expensive synthetic stuff you'd put in a Porsche or the sort of stuff that goes through your chainsaw bar?
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@sparky said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process. Fozzie is their guy, Razor is someone they might give the big gig to further down the line but not yet.
Problem with that is if Foster is not the man and shits the bed,Razor may sink with him bang goes his shot at Head Coach.
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Foster............if true........FUCK!!!!!!!!
A guy who has never won anything as head coach,
chosen over Robertson, Rennie and Joseph who have all won plenty as head coach.I think Steve Hansen may have had a big hand in this.
@Frank how?
Hansen has endorsed him, outside of that I'm not sure how he has influenced the panel that was recently appointed.
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So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
@Wurzel I can 100% confirm your good oil is absolute garbage. No way in the world will razor go with Foster.
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@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
While the RWC is a noble goal, given all but one RWCs in the professional era have had a finalist coached by someone who took over mid-cycle it is difficult to see a correlation between forward planning and success.
I'm starting to think the 4-year cycle is a complete myth. I reckon it's no more than 18 months, and even then the most important part is the last 3.
Ireland are proof of that ,
had a brilliant 4 year cycle then fall in a hole at the end
@kiwiinmelb said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
While the RWC is a noble goal, given all but one RWCs in the professional era have had a finalist coached by someone who took over mid-cycle it is difficult to see a correlation between forward planning and success.
I'm starting to think the 4-year cycle is a complete myth. I reckon it's no more than 18 months, and even then the most important part is the last 3.
Ireland are proof of that ,
had a brilliant 4 year cycle then fall in a hole at the end
The 4-year cycle only seems to work out well (and by that I mean result in a WC final appearance or victory), if it follows this pattern:
Year 1: strong results, based on consistent game plans and selections, beating major rivals and winning a significant trophy (i.e. 6N / RC).
Years 2-3: fall in performance as alternative game plans / tactics / selections are trialled.
Year 4 (i.e. 12-month lead-in to RWC): upswing in results consistent with Year 1, building winning momentum (but maybe not winning significant trophy); game plan and selections from Year 1 form basis of upswing and plans for RWC, together with most successful aspects of those trialled in years 2 and 3.I think you can probably say that the 2007, 2011 and 2015 winners fit into this pattern, together with the 2019 beaten finalists (the 2019 winners being a real anomaly). Otherwise, I agree, perhaps its better to be a dark horse 2 years out from a RWC (certainly, the 2007, 2011 and 2015 finalists, and 2019 winners, were not on anyone's radars as being serious contenders 2 years out).
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@kiwiinmelb said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
While the RWC is a noble goal, given all but one RWCs in the professional era have had a finalist coached by someone who took over mid-cycle it is difficult to see a correlation between forward planning and success.
I'm starting to think the 4-year cycle is a complete myth. I reckon it's no more than 18 months, and even then the most important part is the last 3.
Ireland are proof of that ,
had a brilliant 4 year cycle then fall in a hole at the end
The 4-year cycle only seems to work out well (and by that I mean result in a WC final appearance or victory), if it follows this pattern:
Year 1: strong results, based on consistent game plans and selections, beating major rivals and winning a significant trophy (i.e. 6N / RC).
Years 2-3: fall in performance as alternative game plans / tactics / selections are trialled.
Year 4 (i.e. 12-month lead-in to RWC): upswing in results consistent with Year 1, building winning momentum (but maybe not winning significant trophy); game plan and selections from Year 1 form basis of upswing and plans for RWC, together with most successful aspects of those trialled in years 2 and 3.I think you can probably say that the 2007, 2011 and 2015 winners fit into this pattern, together with the 2019 beaten finalists (the 2019 winners being a real anomaly). Otherwise, I agree, perhaps its better to be a dark horse 2 years out from a RWC (certainly, the 2007, 2011 and 2015 finalists, and 2019 winners, were not on anyone's radars as being serious contenders 2 years out).
@junior To be honest - I doubt that there's any pattern that really helps.
For the teams in contention, I think it comes down to needing to win three consecutive play-off games. And even if you're at 80 percent against Tier 1 nations - that's 0.8 x 0.8 x 0.8 = about 50% chance of success.
If you can get a soft quarterfinal then grab it with both hands, because then you're 0.8 x 0.8 = 0.64 chance of success.
So, I just wanna say "fuck you" to the clowns who said "Bring on Ireland"!
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@junior To be honest - I doubt that there's any pattern that really helps.
For the teams in contention, I think it comes down to needing to win three consecutive play-off games. And even if you're at 80 percent against Tier 1 nations - that's 0.8 x 0.8 x 0.8 = about 50% chance of success.
If you can get a soft quarterfinal then grab it with both hands, because then you're 0.8 x 0.8 = 0.64 chance of success.
So, I just wanna say "fuck you" to the clowns who said "Bring on Ireland"!
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@junior To be honest - I doubt that there's any pattern that really helps.
For the teams in contention, I think it comes down to needing to win three consecutive play-off games. And even if you're at 80 percent against Tier 1 nations - that's 0.8 x 0.8 x 0.8 = about 50% chance of success.
**If you can get a soft quarterfinal then grab it with both hands, because then you're 0.8 x 0.8 = 0.64 chance of success.
So, I just wanna say "fuck you" to the clowns who said "Bring on Ireland"! :)**
Could not agree more with this. I don't want to sound churlish, but even the most green-eyed Boks supporter must acknowledge that Japan upsetting Ireland was a massive result for their own success in the World Cup (much like Ireland upsetting Australia in 2011 had great importance in their failure at the 2011 World Cup).
This mean that we had to play a "final" at the QF stage, which left us with little left for the SF against England. England were always on course to play a "final" against us at the SF stage. Having avoided Ireland at the QF stage, SA were able to play their "final" in the actual final.
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@junior To be honest - I doubt that there's any pattern that really helps.
For the teams in contention, I think it comes down to needing to win three consecutive play-off games. And even if you're at 80 percent against Tier 1 nations - that's 0.8 x 0.8 x 0.8 = about 50% chance of success.
**If you can get a soft quarterfinal then grab it with both hands, because then you're 0.8 x 0.8 = 0.64 chance of success.
So, I just wanna say "fuck you" to the clowns who said "Bring on Ireland"! :)**
Could not agree more with this. I don't want to sound churlish, but even the most green-eyed Boks supporter must acknowledge that Japan upsetting Ireland was a massive result for their own success in the World Cup (much like Ireland upsetting Australia in 2011 had great importance in their failure at the 2011 World Cup).
This mean that we had to play a "final" at the QF stage, which left us with little left for the SF against England. England were always on course to play a "final" against us at the SF stage. Having avoided Ireland at the QF stage, SA were able to play their "final" in the actual final.
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@junior That's why some of us wanted Scotland to beat Japan but for Japan to pick up a BP and qualify second.
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@rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@KiwiMurph said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I can see a pretty average 4 year World Cup cycle (by AB standards) coming up for the ABs.
This decision really should be made with a two year time horizon in mind and a contract to match. While the RWC is a noble goal, given all but one RWCs in the professional era have had a finalist coached by someone who took over mid-cycle it is difficult to see a correlation between forward planning and success. The only exception of course was 2011; where Lievermont was locked out of the French dressing room in the lead up to the final by the players - a potential strategy for the ABs if Foster is appointed on a four year term.
A lot could change in two years. Obviously Rennie and Joseph are spoken for - but perhaps Gatland free of Lions duties is keen, Schmidt has reacclimatized and done something of note at provincial/Super level. Eddie in England will almost go pear shaped. Robertson has two years more experience.
Like South Africa with the talent, provincial set up and knowledge/experience in the country we could be at our absolute lowest ebb two years out from the RWC and put it all together.
Really? I mean really?
Cards on the table: of the two I want Razor.
But the derangement about Fozzie is astonishing.
@booboo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
But the derangement about Fozzie is astonishing.
Yeah, Foster wasn't single-handedly responsible for every AB loss since 2017.
I remember similar when Henry was reappointed after the 2007 RWC (the one that didn't actually happen). That NZR decision turned out to be the right one.
Think some hard, fresh thinking is needed from the coaching side and the player side, but just think continuity is essential and want Foster in the mix
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@junior To be honest - I doubt that there's any pattern that really helps.
For the teams in contention, I think it comes down to needing to win three consecutive play-off games. And even if you're at 80 percent against Tier 1 nations - that's 0.8 x 0.8 x 0.8 = about 50% chance of success.
**If you can get a soft quarterfinal then grab it with both hands, because then you're 0.8 x 0.8 = 0.64 chance of success.
So, I just wanna say "fuck you" to the clowns who said "Bring on Ireland"! :)**
Could not agree more with this. I don't want to sound churlish, but even the most green-eyed Boks supporter must acknowledge that Japan upsetting Ireland was a massive result for their own success in the World Cup (much like Ireland upsetting Australia in 2011 had great importance in their failure at the 2011 World Cup).
This mean that we had to play a "final" at the QF stage, which left us with little left for the SF against England. England were always on course to play a "final" against us at the SF stage. Having avoided Ireland at the QF stage, SA were able to play their "final" in the actual final.
@junior said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
This mean that we had to play a "final" at the QF stage, which left us with little left for the SF against England.
I'm convinced that had the players kept their cool a la the 2015 lot, we'd have nicked that game.
Not blaming Read for the loss as he gives 110%, but the leadership in that game from him and the other senior players was sub-standard
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@junior said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
This mean that we had to play a "final" at the QF stage, which left us with little left for the SF against England.
I'm convinced that had the players kept their cool a la the 2015 lot, we'd have nicked that game.
Not blaming Read for the loss as he gives 110%, but the leadership in that game from him and the other senior players was sub-standard
@Victor-Meldrew said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@junior said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
This mean that we had to play a "final" at the QF stage, which left us with little left for the SF against England.
I'm convinced that had the players kept their cool a la the 2015 lot, we'd have nicked that game.
Not blaming Read for the loss as he gives 110%, but the leadership in that game from him and the other senior players was sub-standard
It's all been said before but I think it was an epic failure from Shag down. Coming out of the sheds after half time where were the tactical changes? Everyone could see we needed to hit it up the guts to try and draw them in, but what happens? Nada, same tactics. I felt within the first 15 minutes of the second half that the game was lost, even if we showed signs of getting a little closer we let the pressure slip
