All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
I also think his public persona/personality doesn't/didn't do him any favours either (not saying ideally it should matter but it does). He's an aloof kind of bloke. Talk of journeys etc.
which no one would have given a toss about if he had won the World Cup like we all pretty much expected.
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
I also think his public persona/personality doesn't/didn't do him any favours either (not saying ideally it should matter but it does). He's an aloof kind of bloke. Talk of journeys etc.
which no one would have given a toss about if he had won the World Cup like we all pretty much expected.
Sure. I'm talking about looking back now and your reference of "gets an awful lot of crap".
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At the time we looked like we were strongly turning the corner from the dross of 98 - 01. But with the benefit of hindsight, Mitchell's All Blacks still had an underpowered scrum, and the defence was as leaky as the Team NZ boat of the same year. Letting in 37 points against Wales probably wasn't a good sign of a tournament winning team.
Fitness was much better though, and he did a bloody good job with the Chiefs.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
I also think his public persona/personality doesn't/didn't do him any favours either (not saying ideally it should matter but it does). He's an aloof kind of bloke. Talk of journeys etc.
which no one would have given a toss about if he had won the World Cup like we all pretty much expected.
@mariner4life He pissed the sponsors off so much that he would've been gone anyway from what I heard at the time.
A family friend was an exec at Coke Australia then, was super angry about Mitchell, and apparently that was a universally held view.
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It would have been interesting to see the 2023 RWC squad that Robertson said he had planned, and how many Crusaders players he squeezed into it. It could have been the Cantablacks v2.
@Bovidae said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
It would have been interesting to see the 2023 RWC squad that Robertson said he had planned, and how many Crusaders players he squeezed into it. It could have been the Cantablacks v2.
wasn't it mainly a cantablack forward pack that got bitch slapped all over the Olympic Stadium?
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@Bovidae said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
It would have been interesting to see the 2023 RWC squad that Robertson said he had planned, and how many Crusaders players he squeezed into it. It could have been the Cantablacks v2.
wasn't it mainly a cantablack forward pack that got bitch slapped all over the Olympic Stadium?
@mariner4life
New Zealand: Mils Muliaina, Doug Howlett, Leon MacDonald, Aaron Mauger, Joe Rokocoko, Carlos Spencer, Justin Marshall (Byron Kelleher 48min), Jerry Collins (Mrty Holah 73min), Richie McCaw, Reuben Thorne (c), Ali Williams (Brad Thorn 58min), Chris Jack, Greg Sommerville, Keven Mealamu, Dave Hewett (Kee Meeuws 48min/70min).Replacements not used: Daniel Carter, Mark Hammett
Australia: Mat Rogers (Joe Roff 29min blood bin), Wendell Sailor, Stirling Mortlock (Joe Roff 72min), Elton Flatley (Nathan Grey 64min blood bin), Lote Tuqiri, Stephen Larkham, George Gregan (c), David Lyons, Phil Waugh, George Smith (Matt Cockbain 72min), Nathan Sharpe (David Giffin 24min blood bin/40+min), Justin Harrison, Ben Darwin (Al Baxter 49min), Brendan Cannon (Jeremy Paul 49min), Bill Young.
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At the time we looked like we were strongly turning the corner from the dross of 98 - 01. But with the benefit of hindsight, Mitchell's All Blacks still had an underpowered scrum, and the defence was as leaky as the Team NZ boat of the same year. Letting in 37 points against Wales probably wasn't a good sign of a tournament winning team.
Fitness was much better though, and he did a bloody good job with the Chiefs.
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
At the time we looked like we were strongly turning the corner from the dross of 98 - 01. But with the benefit of hindsight, Mitchell's All Blacks still had an underpowered scrum, and the defence was as leaky as the Team NZ boat of the same year. Letting in 37 points against Wales probably wasn't a good sign of a tournament winning team.
Fitness was much better though, and he did a bloody good job with the Chiefs.
Was going to let the @mariner4life rancid bait pass as all the negativity due to CV is starting to wear on me, but I can't fucking let this one go.
Bloody good job?!!!!!! He did bog standard average like all the other Chief coaches in that period. Finished with a positive win/loss record - had been done twice before, finished 6th on the table - had been done twice before.
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@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
At the time we looked like we were strongly turning the corner from the dross of 98 - 01. But with the benefit of hindsight, Mitchell's All Blacks still had an underpowered scrum, and the defence was as leaky as the Team NZ boat of the same year. Letting in 37 points against Wales probably wasn't a good sign of a tournament winning team.
Fitness was much better though, and he did a bloody good job with the Chiefs.
Was going to let the @mariner4life rancid bait pass as all the negativity due to CV is starting to wear on me, but I can't fucking let this one go.
Bloody good job?!!!!!! He did bog standard average like all the other Chief coaches in that period. Finished with a positive win/loss record - had been done twice before, finished 6th on the table - had been done twice before.
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@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
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@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance. -
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
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I do remember watching (very early morning USA time) the Chiefs run the Canes off the park at the Caketin after returning from SA. That felt like a great win with the narrative of teams struggling with fitness in the 2nd half from the travel.
Mitchell's record in 2001 is decent compared to the seasons before and after.
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@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
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@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
Mitchell got the All Blacks job out of the Chiefs not finishing 11th
Foster kept a job for as long as he wanted it just by making the semi finals for the first time in 2004... -
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
Mitchell got the All Blacks job out of the Chiefs not finishing 11th
Foster kept a job for as long as he wanted it just by making the semi finals for the first time in 2004...@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
Mitchell got the All Blacks job out of the Chiefs not finishing 11th
Foster kept a job for as long as he wanted it just by making the semi finals for the first time in 2004...Rennie really fucked up with his strategy of winning.
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@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
Mitchell got the All Blacks job out of the Chiefs not finishing 11th
Foster kept a job for as long as he wanted it just by making the semi finals for the first time in 2004...Rennie really fucked up with his strategy of winning.
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
Mitchell got the All Blacks job out of the Chiefs not finishing 11th
Foster kept a job for as long as he wanted it just by making the semi finals for the first time in 2004...Rennie really fucked up with his strategy of winning.
Yep, no-one likes a showoff.
Much better to be a Hammateur! -
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
Which is actually my point. Coaching wise, he was actually very handy.
Inexperience meant he didn’t get all the stuff that went with it. The SF humbling by a Jones game plan repeated itself against a 2WC coach, so perhaps some of the issues there not just Mitch.
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@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
Which is actually my point. Coaching wise, he was actually very handy.
Inexperience meant he didn’t get all the stuff that went with it. The SF humbling by a Jones game plan repeated itself against a 2WC coach, so perhaps some of the issues there not just Mitch.
@MajorRage although I think you can roll back to that try Mils scored that wasnt given, turned out to be pivotal.
If it had been awarded, I reckon we run away with that game, as it was, Aus snaffled that pass and ran >90m to take the momentum, and the game
