All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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At the time we looked like we were strongly turning the corner from the dross of 98 - 01. But with the benefit of hindsight, Mitchell's All Blacks still had an underpowered scrum, and the defence was as leaky as the Team NZ boat of the same year. Letting in 37 points against Wales probably wasn't a good sign of a tournament winning team.
Fitness was much better though, and he did a bloody good job with the Chiefs.
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
At the time we looked like we were strongly turning the corner from the dross of 98 - 01. But with the benefit of hindsight, Mitchell's All Blacks still had an underpowered scrum, and the defence was as leaky as the Team NZ boat of the same year. Letting in 37 points against Wales probably wasn't a good sign of a tournament winning team.
Fitness was much better though, and he did a bloody good job with the Chiefs.
Was going to let the @mariner4life rancid bait pass as all the negativity due to CV is starting to wear on me, but I can't fucking let this one go.
Bloody good job?!!!!!! He did bog standard average like all the other Chief coaches in that period. Finished with a positive win/loss record - had been done twice before, finished 6th on the table - had been done twice before.
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@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
At the time we looked like we were strongly turning the corner from the dross of 98 - 01. But with the benefit of hindsight, Mitchell's All Blacks still had an underpowered scrum, and the defence was as leaky as the Team NZ boat of the same year. Letting in 37 points against Wales probably wasn't a good sign of a tournament winning team.
Fitness was much better though, and he did a bloody good job with the Chiefs.
Was going to let the @mariner4life rancid bait pass as all the negativity due to CV is starting to wear on me, but I can't fucking let this one go.
Bloody good job?!!!!!! He did bog standard average like all the other Chief coaches in that period. Finished with a positive win/loss record - had been done twice before, finished 6th on the table - had been done twice before.
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@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
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@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance. -
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
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I do remember watching (very early morning USA time) the Chiefs run the Canes off the park at the Caketin after returning from SA. That felt like a great win with the narrative of teams struggling with fitness in the 2nd half from the travel.
Mitchell's record in 2001 is decent compared to the seasons before and after.
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@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
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@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
Mitchell got the All Blacks job out of the Chiefs not finishing 11th
Foster kept a job for as long as he wanted it just by making the semi finals for the first time in 2004... -
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
Mitchell got the All Blacks job out of the Chiefs not finishing 11th
Foster kept a job for as long as he wanted it just by making the semi finals for the first time in 2004...@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
Mitchell got the All Blacks job out of the Chiefs not finishing 11th
Foster kept a job for as long as he wanted it just by making the semi finals for the first time in 2004...Rennie really fucked up with his strategy of winning.
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@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
Mitchell got the All Blacks job out of the Chiefs not finishing 11th
Foster kept a job for as long as he wanted it just by making the semi finals for the first time in 2004...Rennie really fucked up with his strategy of winning.
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Donsteppa said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Nepia from memory he took one of the weaker 'paper' squads that they'd had in the first few years of Super 12 and didn't finish 11th. At the time that genuinely felt like a good Chiefs season!!
Your definition of bloody good and mine differ but you get the like for the bold.
We started off a very low base.
1998 was the closest I remember us getting to not-mud, but a shithouse loss against the Tah's killed any late semi final chance.You're lucky that eventually a quality coach in the form of Ian Foster came along to be bloody bloody good and get you to the semis.
Mitchell got the All Blacks job out of the Chiefs not finishing 11th
Foster kept a job for as long as he wanted it just by making the semi finals for the first time in 2004...Rennie really fucked up with his strategy of winning.
Yep, no-one likes a showoff.
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John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
Which is actually my point. Coaching wise, he was actually very handy.
Inexperience meant he didn’t get all the stuff that went with it. The SF humbling by a Jones game plan repeated itself against a 2WC coach, so perhaps some of the issues there not just Mitch.
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@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
John Mitchell gets an awful lot of crap for a bloke that won two out of two Tri-Nations, won back the bledisloe (after how many years?) Coached a team that put 50 past Aus and SA away in consecutive weeks.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, but he's far from terrible. His assistant coaching results would point to that. John's problem appears to be his complete inability to get along with people when he is in charge.
Which is actually my point. Coaching wise, he was actually very handy.
Inexperience meant he didn’t get all the stuff that went with it. The SF humbling by a Jones game plan repeated itself against a 2WC coach, so perhaps some of the issues there not just Mitch.
@MajorRage although I think you can roll back to that try Mils scored that wasnt given, turned out to be pivotal.
If it had been awarded, I reckon we run away with that game, as it was, Aus snaffled that pass and ran >90m to take the momentum, and the game
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@MajorRage although I think you can roll back to that try Mils scored that wasnt given, turned out to be pivotal.
If it had been awarded, I reckon we run away with that game, as it was, Aus snaffled that pass and ran >90m to take the momentum, and the game
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Mitchell was clearly out coached for that semi-final. Eddie worked out the secret was to not give the All Blacks counter-attack ball. Every kick went into the grandstand.
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I think Mitch is and always has been a fantastic coach, unfort man-management and managing the press has not been a strong point.
He did get the AB job very early and probably was not at all ready to deal with that side of things- nor was the NZ press ready for 'The Journey' etc.
Possibly he is the reason Razor was overlooked at this early stage in his career -
Mitchell was clearly out coached for that semi-final. Eddie worked out the secret was to not give the All Blacks counter-attack ball. Every kick went into the grandstand.
@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Mitchell was clearly out coached for that semi-final. Eddie worked out the secret was to not give the All Blacks counter-attack ball. Every kick went into the grandstand.
I heard Mortlock speak about it at a function. He said Eddie Jones had been almost exclusively planning for the RWC semi final game 03 v ABs since the Bledisloe that year.
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@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Mitchell was clearly out coached for that semi-final. Eddie worked out the secret was to not give the All Blacks counter-attack ball. Every kick went into the grandstand.
I heard Mortlock speak about it at a function. He said Eddie Jones had been almost exclusively planning for the RWC semi final game 03 v ABs since the Bledisloe that year.
@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Mitchell was clearly out coached for that semi-final. Eddie worked out the secret was to not give the All Blacks counter-attack ball. Every kick went into the grandstand.
I heard Mortlock speak about it at a function. He said Eddie Jones had been almost exclusively planning for the RWC semi final game 03 v ABs since the Bledisloe that year.
Yep, he did the same last year too. The performance in the final was telling.
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@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Mitchell was clearly out coached for that semi-final. Eddie worked out the secret was to not give the All Blacks counter-attack ball. Every kick went into the grandstand.
I heard Mortlock speak about it at a function. He said Eddie Jones had been almost exclusively planning for the RWC semi final game 03 v ABs since the Bledisloe that year.
@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@antipodean said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Mitchell was clearly out coached for that semi-final. Eddie worked out the secret was to not give the All Blacks counter-attack ball. Every kick went into the grandstand.
I heard Mortlock speak about it at a function. He said Eddie Jones had been almost exclusively planning for the RWC semi final game 03 v ABs since the Bledisloe that year.
At an "Audience with Eddie Jones", the man himself said pretty much the same thing re the last RWC. From the get go his focus was on a potential SF with NZ and Eddie's "journey" was all about reaching that game with a realistic chance of winning. Maybe he should have thought about the Boks too
Listening to him talk and answer questions in a non media and friendly atmosphere was really interesting and one thing rang loud and clear - he has a blind spot, almost an obessession with the All Blacks. He actually said that we (be it Aus or England) cannot compete with their athleticism.
