AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?
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@nzzp said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Hooroo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@nzzp said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Kiwiwomble said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
i worry Jordie is the former rather than the later
Anyone who can pound over penalties from 50m+, and defend strongly has a future in the backs at international level. I think he'll have other abilities he develops too.
Don't forget, he turned 23 in Feb. The kid is still super young (same age as Rieko Ioane).
Is Reiko only 23?????
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rieko_Ioane
according to Wikipedia - a month younger than JB
But he debuted about a decade ago......
@Hooroo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@nzzp said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Hooroo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@nzzp said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Kiwiwomble said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
i worry Jordie is the former rather than the later
Anyone who can pound over penalties from 50m+, and defend strongly has a future in the backs at international level. I think he'll have other abilities he develops too.
Don't forget, he turned 23 in Feb. The kid is still super young (same age as Rieko Ioane).
Is Reiko only 23?????
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rieko_Ioane
according to Wikipedia - a month younger than JB
But he debuted about a decade ago......
feels like it. He was 19 on debut against Italy in 2016
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Question: Would the ABs be stronger with Rieko at centre or on the left wing?
I'd be starting him in the no.11 jersey but with his increasing ability to play at centre that changes the balance of the back reserves as you wouldn't need to carry another specialist midfielder.
If there are going to be 4 BC tests, Foster (and Rennie for that matter) will have the opportunity to try different combinations across the series. But I'm not expecting a huge number of newbies this season.
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Question: Would the ABs be stronger with Rieko at centre or on the left wing?
I'd be starting him in the no.11 jersey but with his increasing ability to play at centre that changes the balance of the back reserves as you wouldn't need to carry another specialist midfielder.
If there are going to be 4 BC tests, Foster (and Rennie for that matter) will have the opportunity to try different combinations across the series. But I'm not expecting a huge number of newbies this season.
@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Question: Would the ABs be stronger with Rieko at centre or on the left wing?
I'd be starting him in the no.11 jersey but with his increasing ability to play at centre that changes the balance of the back reserves as you wouldn't need to carry another specialist midfielder..
Starting winger, moves to 13 for the last 20mins when Caleb subs on
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@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Question: Would the ABs be stronger with Rieko at centre or on the left wing?
I'd be starting him in the no.11 jersey but with his increasing ability to play at centre that changes the balance of the back reserves as you wouldn't need to carry another specialist midfielder..
Starting winger, moves to 13 for the last 20mins when Caleb subs on
@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Question: Would the ABs be stronger with Rieko at centre or on the left wing?
I'd be starting him in the no.11 jersey but with his increasing ability to play at centre that changes the balance of the back reserves as you wouldn't need to carry another specialist midfielder..
Starting winger, moves to 13 for the last 20mins when Caleb subs on
Ralph? THat guy's so fit...
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@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Question: Would the ABs be stronger with Rieko at centre or on the left wing?
I'd be starting him in the no.11 jersey but with his increasing ability to play at centre that changes the balance of the back reserves as you wouldn't need to carry another specialist midfielder..
Starting winger, moves to 13 for the last 20mins when Caleb subs on
Ralph? THat guy's so fit...
@nzzp said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Question: Would the ABs be stronger with Rieko at centre or on the left wing?
I'd be starting him in the no.11 jersey but with his increasing ability to play at centre that changes the balance of the back reserves as you wouldn't need to carry another specialist midfielder..
Starting winger, moves to 13 for the last 20mins when Caleb subs on
Ralph? THat guy's so fit...
104 games in a row, he's a fucking machine
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@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Question: Would the ABs be stronger with Rieko at centre or on the left wing?
I'd be starting him in the no.11 jersey but with his increasing ability to play at centre that changes the balance of the back reserves as you wouldn't need to carry another specialist midfielder..
Starting winger, moves to 13 for the last 20mins when Caleb subs on
@Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Question: Would the ABs be stronger with Rieko at centre or on the left wing?
I'd be starting him in the no.11 jersey but with his increasing ability to play at centre that changes the balance of the back reserves as you wouldn't need to carry another specialist midfielder..
Starting winger, moves to 13 for the last 20mins when Caleb subs on
Would prefer to see him coming off the bench. Going from wing to centre in a game is a big defensive adjustment to make.
Smith
Barrett
Clarke
ALB
Goodhue
Telea
HaviliPerenara
Mounga
IoaneAbout perfect for mine. Mix and match the starters for different opponents.
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@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Mo'unga at first five, BB at 15, Havili on the bench.
Who would your other non-halfback back be on the bench?
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@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Mo'unga at first five, BB at 15, Havili on the bench.
Goodhue and Enmore.in the midfield. Bridge and Reece the wings
@ACT-Crusader someone is trying to steal your shtick
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@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Mo'unga at first five, BB at 15, Havili on the bench.
Who would your other non-halfback back be on the bench?
@KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Mo'unga at first five, BB at 15, Havili on the bench.
Who would your other non-halfback back be on the bench?
Depends on the starters. Say Reece and Telea are the starting wingers, and Goodhue and ALB the starting midfielders, then you probably take a fast wing/centre on the bench if Havili can already cover 10/12/15. So then probably Rieko. But if Rieko and Goodhue start, then maybe Ennor on the bench (assuming he's faster than ALB).
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Team I'd go for if there was a Test in a couple of weeks:
Moody, Taylor, Ofa T, Sam Whitelock, Patrick Tuipulotu, Papali'i, Cane (c), Sotutu, A. Smith,B. Barrett ,C. Clarke, ALB, Goodhue, Reece (maybe Telea), J. Barrett (or W. Jordan)
Bench 16. D. Coles. 17. Karl T (or Hodgman) 18. Lualala 19. Dickson 20. A. Savea 21. TJP 22. R. Mo'unga 23. R. Ioane -
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Mo'unga at first five, BB at 15, Havili on the bench.
Goodhue and Enmore.in the midfield. Bridge and Reece the wings
@ACT-Crusader someone is trying to steal your shtick
@mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Stargazer said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Mo'unga at first five, BB at 15, Havili on the bench.
Goodhue and Enmore.in the midfield. Bridge and Reece the wings
@ACT-Crusader someone is trying to steal your shtick
Who is this BB? Never seen him in
red nblack before.Anyway some of these youngsters have a thing to learn, when they have intestinal fortitude to name the following, come and talk to me. Pakeha Players Matter
9-Andy Ellis
10-Tyler Bleyandaal
11-Scott Hamilton
12-Tom Taylor
13-Ryan Crotty
14-Adam Whitelock
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The love for Will Jordan on this thread sounds very much like the love for George Bridge last year. Just saying.
Good player but he's not a patch on prime Ben Smith (which is the benchmark)
@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
The love for Will Jordan on this thread sounds very much like the love for George Bridge last year. Just saying.
Good player but he's not a patch on prime Ben Smith (which is the benchmark)
If Ben Smith is the benchmark, then Jordan has plenty of time to develop into that player. There's no need to rush him in at this stage when there are plenty of other options.
That being said, they could start him on the right wing in the same way they did with Israel Dagg (and Ben Smith for that matter).
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Team I'd go for if there was a Test in a couple of weeks:
Moody, Taylor, Ofa T, Sam Whitelock, Patrick Tuipulotu, Papali'i, Cane (c), Sotutu, A. Smith,B. Barrett ,C. Clarke, ALB, Goodhue, Reece (maybe Telea), J. Barrett (or W. Jordan)
Bench 16. D. Coles. 17. Karl T (or Hodgman) 18. Lualala 19. Dickson 20. A. Savea 21. TJP 22. R. Mo'unga 23. R. Ioane@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Team I'd go for if there was a Test in a couple of weeks:
Moody, Taylor, Ofa T, Sam Whitelock, Patrick Tuipulotu, Papali'i, Cane (c), Sotutu, A. Smith,B. Barrett ,C. Clarke, ALB, Goodhue, Reece (maybe Telea), J. Barrett (or W. Jordan)
Bench 16. D. Coles. 17. Karl T (or Hodgman) 18. Lualala 19. Dickson 20. A. Savea 21. TJP 22. R. Mo'unga 23. R. IoaneI would put Lomax on the bench instead of Laulala whose current form is poor (as it was during the RWC). This could be a good occasion to test him.
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@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
The love for Will Jordan on this thread sounds very much like the love for George Bridge last year. Just saying.
Good player but he's not a patch on prime Ben Smith (which is the benchmark)
If Ben Smith is the benchmark, then Jordan has plenty of time to develop into that player. There's no need to rush him in at this stage when there are plenty of other options.
That being said, they could start him on the right wing in the same way they did with Israel Dagg (and Ben Smith for that matter).
@junior said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
The love for Will Jordan on this thread sounds very much like the love for George Bridge last year. Just saying.
Good player but he's not a patch on prime Ben Smith (which is the benchmark)
If Ben Smith is the benchmark, then Jordan has plenty of time to develop into that player. There's no need to rush him in at this stage when there are plenty of other options.
That being said, they could start him on the right wing in the same way they did with Israel Dagg (and Ben Smith for that matter).
Agree.
@Crucial that is pretty shortsighted way of looking at it given that if the same rule applied to Ben Smith, then he shouldn’t have started at fullback for the ABs because he wasn’t yet at the prime Ben Smith benchmark! Took a few tests and like @junior said, experience in the environment and playing on the wing definitely assisted him.
There were definitely some doubters when he got selected too.
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Jordan is definitely more of a raw talent and weapon than Bridge. Bridge doesn't create as much as Jordan and doesn't have the physical gifts. Just because Jordan is a WBC doesn't mean he isn't the best young FB in the country (not including BB as he is now neither young or a pure 15). We need a proper fullback and I believe Jordan is that guy.
Who is the best young lineout hooker?
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Jordie has to be pretty far down the pecking order now, never really made the most of getting the call up and now there so many guys putting their hand up with awesome form, i cant think of anywhere id consider him even in the top three
@Kiwiwomble said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Jordie has to be pretty far down the pecking order now, never really made the most of getting the call up and now there so many guys putting their hand up with awesome form, i cant think of anywhere id consider him even in the top three
He was in great form at FB (including goal kicking form)
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@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Team I'd go for if there was a Test in a couple of weeks:
Moody, Taylor, Ofa T, Sam Whitelock, Patrick Tuipulotu, Papali'i, Cane (c), Sotutu, A. Smith,B. Barrett ,C. Clarke, ALB, Goodhue, Reece (maybe Telea), J. Barrett (or W. Jordan)
Bench 16. D. Coles. 17. Karl T (or Hodgman) 18. Lualala 19. Dickson 20. A. Savea 21. TJP 22. R. Mo'unga 23. R. IoaneI would put Lomax on the bench instead of Laulala whose current form is poor (as it was during the RWC). This could be a good occasion to test him.
@cgrant said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Team I'd go for if there was a Test in a couple of weeks:
Moody, Taylor, Ofa T, Sam Whitelock, Patrick Tuipulotu, Papali'i, Cane (c), Sotutu, A. Smith,B. Barrett ,C. Clarke, ALB, Goodhue, Reece (maybe Telea), J. Barrett (or W. Jordan)
Bench 16. D. Coles. 17. Karl T (or Hodgman) 18. Lualala 19. Dickson 20. A. Savea 21. TJP 22. R. Mo'unga 23. R. IoaneI would put Lomax on the bench instead of Laulala whose current form is poor (as it was during the RWC). This could be a good occasion to test him.
Definitely think we'll see more of Lomax at international level. Not much between him and Laulala, but a bit hesitant to fast track Lomax after his silly Red Card earlier this year.
