AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?
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Bit controversial perhaps, but Goodhue seems to be a lock at 13 in most peoples selections. Parking just for a second the viable alternatives, am I alone in thinking that he is a a touch overrated at the moment?
He generally plays pretty mistake-free solid rugby, and I know that's a great start at 13. But when I hear him spoken about as the next Conrad, I just haven't seen it. He doesn't hit as hard, he doesn't distribute as well, and I'm not sure he has the same support game. He looks solid enough hitting the ball up when nothing is on, but I've never really seen him make clean breaks, or do anything inventive to put someone in space.
Am I totally off the mark and missing his brilliance?
@voodoo the game against the Boks in Wellington (last year or the year before) he was simply immense on defence. Played remarkably, and absolutely dominated some big Saffer backs. Super form isn't a good predictor of International form - different demands, differnet levels.
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@voodoo the game against the Boks in Wellington (last year or the year before) he was simply immense on defence. Played remarkably, and absolutely dominated some big Saffer backs. Super form isn't a good predictor of International form - different demands, differnet levels.
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Bit controversial perhaps, but Goodhue seems to be a lock at 13 in most peoples selections. Parking just for a second the viable alternatives, am I alone in thinking that he is a a touch overrated at the moment?
He generally plays pretty mistake-free solid rugby, and I know that's a great start at 13. But when I hear him spoken about as the next Conrad, I just haven't seen it. He doesn't hit as hard, he doesn't distribute as well, and I'm not sure he has the same support game. He looks solid enough hitting the ball up when nothing is on, but I've never really seen him make clean breaks, or do anything inventive to put someone in space.
Am I totally off the mark and missing his brilliance?
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@voodoo the crusaders are fucking him over at 12 where he looks like a journeyman. He's an excellent 13, very smart player and creates so much more.
@Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo the crusaders are fucking him over at 12 where he looks like a journeyman. He's an excellent 13, very smart player and creates so much more.
Again, it's his work in black I'm asking about, not watching him pass a nice inside ball when up 40 against the Sunwolves. He is the incumbant 13, and I'm not advocating for anyone over him. I'm just not sure he has delivered on the hype over him.
That 15m pass off his left in that clip was sweet though.
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@Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo the crusaders are fucking him over at 12 where he looks like a journeyman. He's an excellent 13, very smart player and creates so much more.
Again, it's his work in black I'm asking about, not watching him pass a nice inside ball when up 40 against the Sunwolves. He is the incumbant 13, and I'm not advocating for anyone over him. I'm just not sure he has delivered on the hype over him.
That 15m pass off his left in that clip was sweet though.
@voodoo alright bitchy, you didn't say that in the post I was replying to.
But yeah, he's definitely delivered in black. Quieter year last year but then who can blame him with the fucken midfield merry-go-round. If he stops getting fucked around in the midfield we might see him back to his best.
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Bit controversial perhaps, but Goodhue seems to be a lock at 13 in most peoples selections. Parking just for a second the viable alternatives, am I alone in thinking that he is a a touch overrated at the moment?
He generally plays pretty mistake-free solid rugby, and I know that's a great start at 13. But when I hear him spoken about as the next Conrad, I just haven't seen it. He doesn't hit as hard, he doesn't distribute as well, and I'm not sure he has the same support game. He looks solid enough hitting the ball up when nothing is on, but I've never really seen him make clean breaks, or do anything inventive to put someone in space.
Am I totally off the mark and missing his brilliance?
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Bit controversial perhaps, but Goodhue seems to be a lock at 13 in most peoples selections. Parking just for a second the viable alternatives, am I alone in thinking that he is a a touch overrated at the moment?
He generally plays pretty mistake-free solid rugby, and I know that's a great start at 13. But when I hear him spoken about as the next Conrad, I just haven't seen it. He doesn't hit as hard, he doesn't distribute as well, and I'm not sure he has the same support game. He looks solid enough hitting the ball up when nothing is on, but I've never really seen him make clean breaks, or do anything inventive to put someone in space.
Am I totally off the mark and missing his brilliance?
But mistake free, solid, intelligent rugby with good defence is exactly what Conrad was good at wasn’t it?
Goodhue is the closest to those things that we have had since Conrad left.
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Bit controversial perhaps, but Goodhue seems to be a lock at 13 in most peoples selections. Parking just for a second the viable alternatives, am I alone in thinking that he is a a touch overrated at the moment?
He generally plays pretty mistake-free solid rugby, and I know that's a great start at 13. But when I hear him spoken about as the next Conrad, I just haven't seen it. He doesn't hit as hard, he doesn't distribute as well, and I'm not sure he has the same support game. He looks solid enough hitting the ball up when nothing is on, but I've never really seen him make clean breaks, or do anything inventive to put someone in space.
Am I totally off the mark and missing his brilliance?
@voodoo I know you are not talking Super form, but I think a great example of what he brings is his contribution to Jordan's chip and chase try on the weekend. He did what he did with minimal fuss and flamboyance, but he quickly drew in two defenders before a nicely timed pass. When he does stuff like that it looks so easy, therefore it can escape people's attention.
I have a mate that says the same thing about Goodhue. He doesn't see the fuss. I agree last year was not his best, but like someone else said he was mucked around by coaches who couldn't settle on a combination.
And comparing him to Smith, how old was Smith before we all started fornicating over him?
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@voodoo the crusaders are fucking him over at 12 where he looks like a journeyman. He's an excellent 13, very smart player and creates so much more.
@Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo the crusaders are fucking him over at 12 where he looks like a journeyman. He's an excellent 13, very smart player and creates so much more.
Is there a version of that video without the potato codec?
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@Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo the crusaders are fucking him over at 12 where he looks like a journeyman. He's an excellent 13, very smart player and creates so much more.
Is there a version of that video without the potato codec?
@antipodean said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo the crusaders are fucking him over at 12 where he looks like a journeyman. He's an excellent 13, very smart player and creates so much more.
Is there a version of that video without the potato codec?
I get the feeling you think you're talking to someone with at least some intelligence. Jokes on you, you couldn't be more wrong.
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The 13 jersey should be for Goodhue or Rieko Ioane. I know the latter is considered by many as a left wing but his last performances there in black were disappointing. He seems to have lost his former speed. Moreover, with Clarke and Telea (formerly a left wing with NH and the Blues) in outstanding form, there are exciting options for the 11 jersey. And I did not even mentioned Fainganu'uku nor Alaimalo.
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The 13 jersey should be for Goodhue or Rieko Ioane. I know the latter is considered by many as a left wing but his last performances there in black were disappointing. He seems to have lost his former speed. Moreover, with Clarke and Telea (formerly a left wing with NH and the Blues) in outstanding form, there are exciting options for the 11 jersey. And I did not even mentioned Fainganu'uku nor Alaimalo.
@cgrant don't forget Bridge!
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The 13 jersey should be for Goodhue or Rieko Ioane. I know the latter is considered by many as a left wing but his last performances there in black were disappointing. He seems to have lost his former speed. Moreover, with Clarke and Telea (formerly a left wing with NH and the Blues) in outstanding form, there are exciting options for the 11 jersey. And I did not even mentioned Fainganu'uku nor Alaimalo.
@cgrant said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
his last performances there in black were disappointing. He seems to have lost his former speed
He had a calf injury that caused him to miss SR games and AB Tests. His training was restricted throughout the international season
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@voodoo I know you are not talking Super form, but I think a great example of what he brings is his contribution to Jordan's chip and chase try on the weekend. He did what he did with minimal fuss and flamboyance, but he quickly drew in two defenders before a nicely timed pass. When he does stuff like that it looks so easy, therefore it can escape people's attention.
I have a mate that says the same thing about Goodhue. He doesn't see the fuss. I agree last year was not his best, but like someone else said he was mucked around by coaches who couldn't settle on a combination.
And comparing him to Smith, how old was Smith before we all started fornicating over him?
@Crazy-Horse said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo I know you are not talking Super form, but I think a great example of what he brings is his contribution to Jordan's chip and chase try on the weekend. He did what he did with minimal fuss and flamboyance, but he quickly drew in two defenders before a nicely timed pass. When he does stuff like that it looks so easy, therefore it can escape people's attention.
I have a mate that says the same thing about Goodhue. He doesn't see the fuss. I agree last year was not his best, but like someone else said he was mucked around by coaches who couldn't settle on a combination.
And comparing him to Smith, how old was Smith before we all started fornicating over him?
Not only that, following on from the greatest AB midfield combo ever was always gonna be tough. As fans are our standards that ridiculously high ? It’s a good thing the food bills from last year have gone and simplified things.
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@nzzp sure, I'm not really talking about his Super form this year, more his body of work in black. Has it really been that impressive? Last RWC for example?
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@nzzp sure, I'm not really talking about his Super form this year, more his body of work in black. Has it really been that impressive? Last RWC for example?
One of the few players who played well in our loss to England.
Same solid self. Unflustered. -
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@nzzp sure, I'm not really talking about his Super form this year, more his body of work in black. Has it really been that impressive? Last RWC for example?
One of the few players who played well in our loss to England.
Same solid self. Unflustered.@Frank said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@nzzp sure, I'm not really talking about his Super form this year, more his body of work in black. Has it really been that impressive? Last RWC for example?
One of the few players who played well in our loss to England.
Same solid self. Unflustered.A ringing endorsement
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@Frank said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@nzzp sure, I'm not really talking about his Super form this year, more his body of work in black. Has it really been that impressive? Last RWC for example?
One of the few players who played well in our loss to England.
Same solid self. Unflustered.A ringing endorsement
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Frank said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@nzzp sure, I'm not really talking about his Super form this year, more his body of work in black. Has it really been that impressive? Last RWC for example?
One of the few players who played well in our loss to England.
Same solid self. Unflustered.A ringing endorsement
It's easy to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys
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@Frank said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@nzzp sure, I'm not really talking about his Super form this year, more his body of work in black. Has it really been that impressive? Last RWC for example?
One of the few players who played well in our loss to England.
Same solid self. Unflustered.A ringing endorsement
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Frank said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@nzzp sure, I'm not really talking about his Super form this year, more his body of work in black. Has it really been that impressive? Last RWC for example?
One of the few players who played well in our loss to England.
Same solid self. Unflustered.A ringing endorsement
So what does he have to do then?
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@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Frank said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@nzzp sure, I'm not really talking about his Super form this year, more his body of work in black. Has it really been that impressive? Last RWC for example?
One of the few players who played well in our loss to England.
Same solid self. Unflustered.A ringing endorsement
So what does he have to do then?
@Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Frank said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@nzzp sure, I'm not really talking about his Super form this year, more his body of work in black. Has it really been that impressive? Last RWC for example?
One of the few players who played well in our loss to England.
Same solid self. Unflustered.A ringing endorsement
So what does he have to do then?
Run lines like Conrad, hit hard in defence like Frank, distribute like Robinson, get over the ball like Tana....that’s all
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@Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Frank said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@voodoo said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@nzzp sure, I'm not really talking about his Super form this year, more his body of work in black. Has it really been that impressive? Last RWC for example?
One of the few players who played well in our loss to England.
Same solid self. Unflustered.A ringing endorsement
So what does he have to do then?
Run lines like Conrad, hit hard in defence like Frank, distribute like Robinson, get over the ball like Tana....that’s all
@ACT-Crusader said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
distribute like Robinson
You couldn't help yourself could you.
