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AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?

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    @Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    Foster's starting forwards will probably be the following, and it will be a big wet turd. Then we'll thrash Australia and there will be one hundred posts about how good they are.

    1. Moody
    2. Taylor
    3. Laulala
    4. Whitelock
    5. Barrett
    6. Frizell
    7. Cane
    8. Savea

    I'd rather start Tuipulotu and tell him to go hard for 50-60 mins. Then bring Barrett on. Foster and co could have different ideas to Hansen. At least I hope so.

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    @Bovidae

    One hopes. I think the bench is crucial too.

    Allowing me to pick some injured players, I think we would be very dangerous if we can get the following players in form:

    1. Moody 17. Big Karl /Moli

    2. Taylor 16. Coles/Aumua

    3. Ofa 18. Ta'avao/ Lomax

    4. Patty T 19. Robinson/Barrett

    5. Whitelock

    6. Ioane /Robinson 20. Savea

    7. Cane

    8. Sotutu

    9. Smith 21. TJP

    10. Barrett 22. Mo'unga

    11. Ioane

    12. ALB

    13. Goodhue

    14. Clarke / Bridge (I really really want Alaimalo to stand up for this spot, but he's miles away right now)

    15. Dmac / Jordan 23 Barrett

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      @Bovidae

      One hopes. I think the bench is crucial too.

      Allowing me to pick some injured players, I think we would be very dangerous if we can get the following players in form:

      1. Moody 17. Big Karl /Moli

      2. Taylor 16. Coles/Aumua

      3. Ofa 18. Ta'avao/ Lomax

      4. Patty T 19. Robinson/Barrett

      5. Whitelock

      6. Ioane /Robinson 20. Savea

      7. Cane

      8. Sotutu

      9. Smith 21. TJP

      10. Barrett 22. Mo'unga

      11. Ioane

      12. ALB

      13. Goodhue

      14. Clarke / Bridge (I really really want Alaimalo to stand up for this spot, but he's miles away right now)

      15. Dmac / Jordan 23 Barrett

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      @gt12 Dmac looks as far from test level as possible this year. Maybe he'll be better next year when his knee is in better condition. Moli is dog shit at loosehead. Better at tighthead.

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      • TimT Tim

        @gt12 Dmac looks as far from test level as possible this year. Maybe he'll be better next year when his knee is in better condition. Moli is dog shit at loosehead. Better at tighthead.

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        @Tim

        Like I said, in form. I wouldn't pick Dmac right now, but when he and Barrett were playing together, they were electric using Dmac at 2nd/3rd receiver

        Actually, Moli at 18 would be nice; he'd be the new Ofa (who I think should start)

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          @Bovidae

          One hopes. I think the bench is crucial too.

          Allowing me to pick some injured players, I think we would be very dangerous if we can get the following players in form:

          1. Moody 17. Big Karl /Moli

          2. Taylor 16. Coles/Aumua

          3. Ofa 18. Ta'avao/ Lomax

          4. Patty T 19. Robinson/Barrett

          5. Whitelock

          6. Ioane /Robinson 20. Savea

          7. Cane

          8. Sotutu

          9. Smith 21. TJP

          10. Barrett 22. Mo'unga

          11. Ioane

          12. ALB

          13. Goodhue

          14. Clarke / Bridge (I really really want Alaimalo to stand up for this spot, but he's miles away right now)

          15. Dmac / Jordan 23 Barrett

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          @gt12 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

          Alaimalo

          yeah he has fallen away hugely, after being touted as a possible bolter for EOYT a few years ago, he barely features in conversations aside from what people think he could be if he gets his mojo back

          @Chris-B I think it was @mojo who had that avatar

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          • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

            @gt12 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

            Alaimalo

            yeah he has fallen away hugely, after being touted as a possible bolter for EOYT a few years ago, he barely features in conversations aside from what people think he could be if he gets his mojo back

            @Chris-B I think it was @mojo who had that avatar

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            @taniwharugby That's the guy!

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              We're debating back selections, but if we can get metres up front, it won't matter whether it is Jordie, Dmac, Jordan, or Havili at 15.

              At prop, lock, and in the loose forwards, we need at least one player who can consistently get metres, and do their core roles. We've been missing that for a while with Moody/Laulala and Savea/Cane/Read.

              If BBBR and Taylor/Coles don't make metres, we get stuck. IMO, that's the biggest area to address and bringing in Scott Barrett to replace BBBr won't help.

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              • gt12G gt12

                We're debating back selections, but if we can get metres up front, it won't matter whether it is Jordie, Dmac, Jordan, or Havili at 15.

                At prop, lock, and in the loose forwards, we need at least one player who can consistently get metres, and do their core roles. We've been missing that for a while with Moody/Laulala and Savea/Cane/Read.

                If BBBR and Taylor/Coles don't make metres, we get stuck. IMO, that's the biggest area to address and bringing in Scott Barrett to replace BBBr won't help.

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                @gt12 Robinson at 6.

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                • Chris B.C Chris B.

                  @gt12 Robinson at 6.

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                  @Chris-B

                  There is going to be a bunch of ppl I'll forget. Edited accordingly.

                  Actually, he's ideal for the lock/6 (19) spot if he can cover lock.

                  If not, then he'll be a good competitor with Ioane for the 6 jersey.

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                  • gt12G gt12

                    We're debating back selections, but if we can get metres up front, it won't matter whether it is Jordie, Dmac, Jordan, or Havili at 15.

                    At prop, lock, and in the loose forwards, we need at least one player who can consistently get metres, and do their core roles. We've been missing that for a while with Moody/Laulala and Savea/Cane/Read.

                    If BBBR and Taylor/Coles don't make metres, we get stuck. IMO, that's the biggest area to address and bringing in Scott Barrett to replace BBBr won't help.

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                    @gt12 ....and Lomax at least as an apprentice.

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                    • Chris B.C Chris B.

                      @gt12 ....and Lomax at least as an apprentice.

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                      @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                      @gt12 ....and Lomax at least as an apprentice.

                      Needs to head back down South and start looking like an AB again...

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                        One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

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                        • BonesB Bones

                          @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                          @gt12 ....and Lomax at least as an apprentice.

                          Needs to head back down South and start looking like an AB again...

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                          @Bones Going to the Canes has rarely been a good decision for a prop.

                          We'll get him right again at Ta$man! 🙂

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                            One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

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                            @KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                            One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

                            I quite like him - definitely doesn't go backwards. Solid in contact (like Moli), just needs to knuckle down and play rugby.

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                              @KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                              One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

                              I quite like him - definitely doesn't go backwards. Solid in contact (like Moli), just needs to knuckle down and play rugby.

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                              @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                              @KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                              One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

                              I quite like him - definitely doesn't go backwards. Solid in contact (like Moli), just needs to knuckle down and play rugby.

                              He's the way of the future (Howard Hughes).

                              If he's not our tighthead prop at 2023 RWC we will have a fucking good one.

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                              • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                @KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

                                I quite like him - definitely doesn't go backwards. Solid in contact (like Moli), just needs to knuckle down and play rugby.

                                He's the way of the future (Howard Hughes).

                                If he's not our tighthead prop at 2023 RWC we will have a fucking good one.

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                                @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                @KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

                                I quite like him - definitely doesn't go backwards. Solid in contact (like Moli), just needs to knuckle down and play rugby.

                                He's the way of the future (Howard Hughes).

                                If he's not our tighthead prop at 2023 RWC we will have a fucking good one.

                                Maybe Mitch Hunt.

                                Or Sotutu.

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                                • BonesB Bones

                                  @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                  @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                  @KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                  One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

                                  I quite like him - definitely doesn't go backwards. Solid in contact (like Moli), just needs to knuckle down and play rugby.

                                  He's the way of the future (Howard Hughes).

                                  If he's not our tighthead prop at 2023 RWC we will have a fucking good one.

                                  Maybe Mitch Hunt.

                                  Or Sotutu.

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                                  @Bones He's the guy I'm putting my speculative prop money on.

                                  Will Jordan and Shannon Frizell will be fucking good from Ta$man as well.

                                  Mitch Hunt will struggle to get past Richie Mo'unga, but will be great from the bench! 🙂

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                                    @mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                    @canefan said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                    @Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                    We don't have a Nonu available. Laumape isn't that either as his distribution is more like Nonu c2003.

                                    You need to have all 3 on the field so that's (11) Ioane, (12) ALB and (13) Goodhue.

                                    How did Nonu turn out? Nani may end up being another Sam Tuitupou, or maybe he'll expand his game like Ma'a. He does bring toughness and the ability to break the line

                                    Laumape is 27. Ma'a Nonu was already polished product 2011 Ma'a Nonu by that point. I think it's time to accept current Laumape is the finished product.

                                    He's also not very big, so more punchy than anything at test level.

                                    He's not the next Nonu, and agree with @Bones he's not even really Tuitupou

                                    Well, for the 2007 RWC, when Nonu was a contender, the only people who were still supporting him as an AB contender on this board were me and that guy from Wellington who used to have Andy from Little Britain as his avatar. I distinctly recall someone writing "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!

                                    He must have been 25 at that time.

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                                      @Bovidae

                                      One hopes. I think the bench is crucial too.

                                      Allowing me to pick some injured players, I think we would be very dangerous if we can get the following players in form:

                                      1. Moody 17. Big Karl /Moli

                                      2. Taylor 16. Coles/Aumua

                                      3. Ofa 18. Ta'avao/ Lomax

                                      4. Patty T 19. Robinson/Barrett

                                      5. Whitelock

                                      6. Ioane /Robinson 20. Savea

                                      7. Cane

                                      8. Sotutu

                                      9. Smith 21. TJP

                                      10. Barrett 22. Mo'unga

                                      11. Ioane

                                      12. ALB

                                      13. Goodhue

                                      14. Clarke / Bridge (I really really want Alaimalo to stand up for this spot, but he's miles away right now)

                                      15. Dmac / Jordan 23 Barrett

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                                      @gt12 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                      @Bovidae

                                      One hopes. I think the bench is crucial too.

                                      Allowing me to pick some injured players, I think we would be very dangerous if we can get the following players in form:

                                      1. Moody 17. Big Karl /Moli

                                      2. Taylor 16. Coles/Aumua

                                      3. Ofa 18. Ta'avao/ Lomax

                                      4. Patty T 19. Robinson/Barrett

                                      5. Whitelock

                                      6. Ioane /Robinson 20. Savea

                                      7. Cane

                                      8. Sotutu

                                      9. Smith 21. TJP

                                      10. Barrett 22. Mo'unga

                                      11. Ioane

                                      12. ALB

                                      13. Goodhue

                                      14. Clarke / Bridge (I really really want Alaimalo to stand up for this spot, but he's miles away right now)

                                      15. Dmac / Jordan 23 Barrett

                                      Uggh, just uggghhh. I don't have any massive issues with selections (Dmac aside) , but this team just looks ripe to get pumped by all-comers.

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                                        @mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                        @Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                        @Bones ALB/Goodhue, ALB/Ioane, Goodhue/Ioane, and Goodhue/ALB all lack a dominant midfield ball carrier, and rely on a player who looks to take the outside break.

                                        we don't really have one in the country because we are at that point in our cycle where we abhor "bashers" and think skill and fitness is absolutely everything

                                        which it absolutely is for Super Rugby if I'm being fair.

                                        I agree totally with that philosophy. Size is important - you need some big guys in the backs to get you over the gain line, you need a big blindside in the forwards to take lineout ball and to provide bulk on defence, and if you have too many small guys in the backs the opposition will get over the gain line too frequently and easily.

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                                        @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                        @mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                        @Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                        @Bones ALB/Goodhue, ALB/Ioane, Goodhue/Ioane, and Goodhue/ALB all lack a dominant midfield ball carrier, and rely on a player who looks to take the outside break.

                                        we don't really have one in the country because we are at that point in our cycle where we abhor "bashers" and think skill and fitness is absolutely everything

                                        which it absolutely is for Super Rugby if I'm being fair.

                                        I agree totally with that philosophy. Size is important - you need some big guys in the backs to get you over the gain line, you need a big blindside in the forwards to take lineout ball and to provide bulk on defence, and if you have too many small guys in the backs the opposition will get over the gain line too frequently and easily.

                                        I'm confused, are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me?

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                                        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                          @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                          @mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                          @Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                          @Bones ALB/Goodhue, ALB/Ioane, Goodhue/Ioane, and Goodhue/ALB all lack a dominant midfield ball carrier, and rely on a player who looks to take the outside break.

                                          we don't really have one in the country because we are at that point in our cycle where we abhor "bashers" and think skill and fitness is absolutely everything

                                          which it absolutely is for Super Rugby if I'm being fair.

                                          I agree totally with that philosophy. Size is important - you need some big guys in the backs to get you over the gain line, you need a big blindside in the forwards to take lineout ball and to provide bulk on defence, and if you have too many small guys in the backs the opposition will get over the gain line too frequently and easily.

                                          I'm confused, are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me?

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                                          @mariner4life Basic English mofo - I'm agreeing with you.

                                          If you'd paid some attention to my brilliant posts over the years, I always favour a bit of size.

                                          And I'm not meaning Debbie does Dallas!

                                          Mofo!!!

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