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AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?

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  • gt12G gt12

    @Bovidae

    One hopes. I think the bench is crucial too.

    Allowing me to pick some injured players, I think we would be very dangerous if we can get the following players in form:

    1. Moody 17. Big Karl /Moli

    2. Taylor 16. Coles/Aumua

    3. Ofa 18. Ta'avao/ Lomax

    4. Patty T 19. Robinson/Barrett

    5. Whitelock

    6. Ioane /Robinson 20. Savea

    7. Cane

    8. Sotutu

    9. Smith 21. TJP

    10. Barrett 22. Mo'unga

    11. Ioane

    12. ALB

    13. Goodhue

    14. Clarke / Bridge (I really really want Alaimalo to stand up for this spot, but he's miles away right now)

    15. Dmac / Jordan 23 Barrett

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    @gt12 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    Alaimalo

    yeah he has fallen away hugely, after being touted as a possible bolter for EOYT a few years ago, he barely features in conversations aside from what people think he could be if he gets his mojo back

    @Chris-B I think it was @mojo who had that avatar

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    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

      @gt12 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

      Alaimalo

      yeah he has fallen away hugely, after being touted as a possible bolter for EOYT a few years ago, he barely features in conversations aside from what people think he could be if he gets his mojo back

      @Chris-B I think it was @mojo who had that avatar

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      @taniwharugby That's the guy!

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        We're debating back selections, but if we can get metres up front, it won't matter whether it is Jordie, Dmac, Jordan, or Havili at 15.

        At prop, lock, and in the loose forwards, we need at least one player who can consistently get metres, and do their core roles. We've been missing that for a while with Moody/Laulala and Savea/Cane/Read.

        If BBBR and Taylor/Coles don't make metres, we get stuck. IMO, that's the biggest area to address and bringing in Scott Barrett to replace BBBr won't help.

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        • gt12G gt12

          We're debating back selections, but if we can get metres up front, it won't matter whether it is Jordie, Dmac, Jordan, or Havili at 15.

          At prop, lock, and in the loose forwards, we need at least one player who can consistently get metres, and do their core roles. We've been missing that for a while with Moody/Laulala and Savea/Cane/Read.

          If BBBR and Taylor/Coles don't make metres, we get stuck. IMO, that's the biggest area to address and bringing in Scott Barrett to replace BBBr won't help.

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          @gt12 Robinson at 6.

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          • Chris B.C Chris B.

            @gt12 Robinson at 6.

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            @Chris-B

            There is going to be a bunch of ppl I'll forget. Edited accordingly.

            Actually, he's ideal for the lock/6 (19) spot if he can cover lock.

            If not, then he'll be a good competitor with Ioane for the 6 jersey.

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            • gt12G gt12

              We're debating back selections, but if we can get metres up front, it won't matter whether it is Jordie, Dmac, Jordan, or Havili at 15.

              At prop, lock, and in the loose forwards, we need at least one player who can consistently get metres, and do their core roles. We've been missing that for a while with Moody/Laulala and Savea/Cane/Read.

              If BBBR and Taylor/Coles don't make metres, we get stuck. IMO, that's the biggest area to address and bringing in Scott Barrett to replace BBBr won't help.

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              @gt12 ....and Lomax at least as an apprentice.

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              • Chris B.C Chris B.

                @gt12 ....and Lomax at least as an apprentice.

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                @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                @gt12 ....and Lomax at least as an apprentice.

                Needs to head back down South and start looking like an AB again...

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                  One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

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                  • BonesB Bones

                    @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                    @gt12 ....and Lomax at least as an apprentice.

                    Needs to head back down South and start looking like an AB again...

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                    @Bones Going to the Canes has rarely been a good decision for a prop.

                    We'll get him right again at Ta$man! 🙂

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                    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                      One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

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                      @KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                      One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

                      I quite like him - definitely doesn't go backwards. Solid in contact (like Moli), just needs to knuckle down and play rugby.

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                      • BonesB Bones

                        @KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                        One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

                        I quite like him - definitely doesn't go backwards. Solid in contact (like Moli), just needs to knuckle down and play rugby.

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                        @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                        @KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                        One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

                        I quite like him - definitely doesn't go backwards. Solid in contact (like Moli), just needs to knuckle down and play rugby.

                        He's the way of the future (Howard Hughes).

                        If he's not our tighthead prop at 2023 RWC we will have a fucking good one.

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                        • Chris B.C Chris B.

                          @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                          @KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                          One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

                          I quite like him - definitely doesn't go backwards. Solid in contact (like Moli), just needs to knuckle down and play rugby.

                          He's the way of the future (Howard Hughes).

                          If he's not our tighthead prop at 2023 RWC we will have a fucking good one.

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                          @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                          @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                          @KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                          One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

                          I quite like him - definitely doesn't go backwards. Solid in contact (like Moli), just needs to knuckle down and play rugby.

                          He's the way of the future (Howard Hughes).

                          If he's not our tighthead prop at 2023 RWC we will have a fucking good one.

                          Maybe Mitch Hunt.

                          Or Sotutu.

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                          • BonesB Bones

                            @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                            @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                            @KiwiMurph said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                            One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

                            I quite like him - definitely doesn't go backwards. Solid in contact (like Moli), just needs to knuckle down and play rugby.

                            He's the way of the future (Howard Hughes).

                            If he's not our tighthead prop at 2023 RWC we will have a fucking good one.

                            Maybe Mitch Hunt.

                            Or Sotutu.

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                            @Bones He's the guy I'm putting my speculative prop money on.

                            Will Jordan and Shannon Frizell will be fucking good from Ta$man as well.

                            Mitch Hunt will struggle to get past Richie Mo'unga, but will be great from the bench! 🙂

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                            • Chris B.C Chris B.

                              @mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                              @canefan said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                              @Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                              We don't have a Nonu available. Laumape isn't that either as his distribution is more like Nonu c2003.

                              You need to have all 3 on the field so that's (11) Ioane, (12) ALB and (13) Goodhue.

                              How did Nonu turn out? Nani may end up being another Sam Tuitupou, or maybe he'll expand his game like Ma'a. He does bring toughness and the ability to break the line

                              Laumape is 27. Ma'a Nonu was already polished product 2011 Ma'a Nonu by that point. I think it's time to accept current Laumape is the finished product.

                              He's also not very big, so more punchy than anything at test level.

                              He's not the next Nonu, and agree with @Bones he's not even really Tuitupou

                              Well, for the 2007 RWC, when Nonu was a contender, the only people who were still supporting him as an AB contender on this board were me and that guy from Wellington who used to have Andy from Little Britain as his avatar. I distinctly recall someone writing "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!

                              He must have been 25 at that time.

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                              @Chris-B 23

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                              • gt12G gt12

                                @Bovidae

                                One hopes. I think the bench is crucial too.

                                Allowing me to pick some injured players, I think we would be very dangerous if we can get the following players in form:

                                1. Moody 17. Big Karl /Moli

                                2. Taylor 16. Coles/Aumua

                                3. Ofa 18. Ta'avao/ Lomax

                                4. Patty T 19. Robinson/Barrett

                                5. Whitelock

                                6. Ioane /Robinson 20. Savea

                                7. Cane

                                8. Sotutu

                                9. Smith 21. TJP

                                10. Barrett 22. Mo'unga

                                11. Ioane

                                12. ALB

                                13. Goodhue

                                14. Clarke / Bridge (I really really want Alaimalo to stand up for this spot, but he's miles away right now)

                                15. Dmac / Jordan 23 Barrett

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                                @gt12 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                @Bovidae

                                One hopes. I think the bench is crucial too.

                                Allowing me to pick some injured players, I think we would be very dangerous if we can get the following players in form:

                                1. Moody 17. Big Karl /Moli

                                2. Taylor 16. Coles/Aumua

                                3. Ofa 18. Ta'avao/ Lomax

                                4. Patty T 19. Robinson/Barrett

                                5. Whitelock

                                6. Ioane /Robinson 20. Savea

                                7. Cane

                                8. Sotutu

                                9. Smith 21. TJP

                                10. Barrett 22. Mo'unga

                                11. Ioane

                                12. ALB

                                13. Goodhue

                                14. Clarke / Bridge (I really really want Alaimalo to stand up for this spot, but he's miles away right now)

                                15. Dmac / Jordan 23 Barrett

                                Uggh, just uggghhh. I don't have any massive issues with selections (Dmac aside) , but this team just looks ripe to get pumped by all-comers.

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                                  @mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                  @Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                  @Bones ALB/Goodhue, ALB/Ioane, Goodhue/Ioane, and Goodhue/ALB all lack a dominant midfield ball carrier, and rely on a player who looks to take the outside break.

                                  we don't really have one in the country because we are at that point in our cycle where we abhor "bashers" and think skill and fitness is absolutely everything

                                  which it absolutely is for Super Rugby if I'm being fair.

                                  I agree totally with that philosophy. Size is important - you need some big guys in the backs to get you over the gain line, you need a big blindside in the forwards to take lineout ball and to provide bulk on defence, and if you have too many small guys in the backs the opposition will get over the gain line too frequently and easily.

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                                  @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                  @mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                  @Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                  @Bones ALB/Goodhue, ALB/Ioane, Goodhue/Ioane, and Goodhue/ALB all lack a dominant midfield ball carrier, and rely on a player who looks to take the outside break.

                                  we don't really have one in the country because we are at that point in our cycle where we abhor "bashers" and think skill and fitness is absolutely everything

                                  which it absolutely is for Super Rugby if I'm being fair.

                                  I agree totally with that philosophy. Size is important - you need some big guys in the backs to get you over the gain line, you need a big blindside in the forwards to take lineout ball and to provide bulk on defence, and if you have too many small guys in the backs the opposition will get over the gain line too frequently and easily.

                                  I'm confused, are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me?

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                                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                    @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                    @mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                    @Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                    @Bones ALB/Goodhue, ALB/Ioane, Goodhue/Ioane, and Goodhue/ALB all lack a dominant midfield ball carrier, and rely on a player who looks to take the outside break.

                                    we don't really have one in the country because we are at that point in our cycle where we abhor "bashers" and think skill and fitness is absolutely everything

                                    which it absolutely is for Super Rugby if I'm being fair.

                                    I agree totally with that philosophy. Size is important - you need some big guys in the backs to get you over the gain line, you need a big blindside in the forwards to take lineout ball and to provide bulk on defence, and if you have too many small guys in the backs the opposition will get over the gain line too frequently and easily.

                                    I'm confused, are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me?

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                                    @mariner4life Basic English mofo - I'm agreeing with you.

                                    If you'd paid some attention to my brilliant posts over the years, I always favour a bit of size.

                                    And I'm not meaning Debbie does Dallas!

                                    Mofo!!!

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                                    • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                      @mariner4life Basic English mofo - I'm agreeing with you.

                                      If you'd paid some attention to my brilliant posts over the years, I always favour a bit of size.

                                      And I'm not meaning Debbie does Dallas!

                                      Mofo!!!

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                                      @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                      @mariner4life Basic English mofo - I'm agreeing with you.

                                      If you'd paid some attention to my brilliant posts over the years, I always favour a bit of size.

                                      And I'm not meaning Debbie does Dallas!

                                      Mofo!!!

                                      My bad bruss

                                      When in doubt pick the bigger harder guy

                                      Yeah yeah bones it writes itself.

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                                      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                        @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                        @mariner4life Basic English mofo - I'm agreeing with you.

                                        If you'd paid some attention to my brilliant posts over the years, I always favour a bit of size.

                                        And I'm not meaning Debbie does Dallas!

                                        Mofo!!!

                                        My bad bruss

                                        When in doubt pick the bigger harder guy

                                        Yeah yeah bones it writes itself.

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                                        @mariner4life Yeah bones!

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                                        • gt12G gt12

                                          @Bovidae

                                          One hopes. I think the bench is crucial too.

                                          Allowing me to pick some injured players, I think we would be very dangerous if we can get the following players in form:

                                          1. Moody 17. Big Karl /Moli

                                          2. Taylor 16. Coles/Aumua

                                          3. Ofa 18. Ta'avao/ Lomax

                                          4. Patty T 19. Robinson/Barrett

                                          5. Whitelock

                                          6. Ioane /Robinson 20. Savea

                                          7. Cane

                                          8. Sotutu

                                          9. Smith 21. TJP

                                          10. Barrett 22. Mo'unga

                                          11. Ioane

                                          12. ALB

                                          13. Goodhue

                                          14. Clarke / Bridge (I really really want Alaimalo to stand up for this spot, but he's miles away right now)

                                          15. Dmac / Jordan 23 Barrett

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                                          @gt12 Lomax was schooled last weekend and DMac should be nowhere near a black jersey on form.

                                          ALB hasn't been covering himself in glory either.

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