'Super Rugby' 2021
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In addition, despite the 'fuck you SANZAAR' headlines in the Herald, this comp is for 2021 - not starting 2021, and it seems a stop gap in a CV19 world. SO I think, long term, the SANZAAR thing may be worked out, but next year - no way we will be able to fly around like in normal SR.
EDIT: I could be talking arse, tho, 'establishing' means starting from 2021? Dunno
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In addition, despite the 'fuck you SANZAAR' headlines in the Herald, this comp is for 2021 - not starting 2021, and it seems a stop gap in a CV19 world. SO I think, long term, the SANZAAR thing may be worked out, but next year - no way we will be able to fly around like in normal SR.
EDIT: I could be talking arse, tho, 'establishing' means starting from 2021? Dunno
Yip I don’t think it’s a stopgap. It requires Aussie rugby to swallow its pride though which is a major hurdle. But ausssie rugby would be stronger imo with the reds, the waratahs and one other Aussie team, properly run and funded.
If Aussie says no thanks, we see if nz rugby happy with a 6 team comp. in any case, I think it’s better to be rid of the SA sides.
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Yip I don’t think it’s a stopgap. It requires Aussie rugby to swallow its pride though which is a major hurdle. But ausssie rugby would be stronger imo with the reds, the waratahs and one other Aussie team, properly run and funded.
If Aussie says no thanks, we see if nz rugby happy with a 6 team comp. in any case, I think it’s better to be rid of the SA sides.
@Billy-Tell it's not really about swallowing our pride. You are basically asking us to abandon any hope of every having a rugby presence in a particular state. Is that pride?
Given NZ are being so belligerent i wouldn't be particularly upset if we just didn't participate.
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Problem is that rugby is so weak in Australia that having a team in each state just leads to Aussie teams getting thrashed by nz ones. Whether home or away, but especially away.
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@Billy-Tell it's not really about swallowing our pride. You are basically asking us to abandon any hope of every having a rugby presence in a particular state. Is that pride?
Given NZ are being so belligerent i wouldn't be particularly upset if we just didn't participate.
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Billy-Tell it's not really about swallowing our pride. You are basically asking us to abandon any hope of every having a rugby presence in a particular state. Is that pride?
Given NZ are being so belligerent i wouldn't be particularly upset if we just didn't participate.
Did you actually read what was said?
added the Board hadn't settled on what the ideal number of teams in the new competition would be but hoped to have between eight and ten teams involved -
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Billy-Tell it's not really about swallowing our pride. You are basically asking us to abandon any hope of every having a rugby presence in a particular state. Is that pride?
Given NZ are being so belligerent i wouldn't be particularly upset if we just didn't participate.
Did you actually read what was said?
added the Board hadn't settled on what the ideal number of teams in the new competition would be but hoped to have between eight and ten teams involved@KiwiMurph 5 NZ + 1 pacifika leaves 4 spots max...
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Problem is that rugby is so weak in Australia that having a team in each state just leads to Aussie teams getting thrashed by nz ones. Whether home or away, but especially away.
@Billy-Tell Australia won the comp twice with 5 teams.
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@KiwiMurph 5 NZ + 1 pacifika leaves 4 spots max...
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@KiwiMurph 5 NZ + 1 pacifika leaves 4 spots max...
max?
They've said they haven't settled on the ideal number of teams but hoped to have between 8 and 10.
That doesn't rule out 11.
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@KiwiMurph 5 NZ + 1 pacifika leaves 4 spots max...
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@KiwiMurph 5 NZ + 1 pacifika leaves 4 spots max...
Perfect. Perth adds complexity and cost for very little benefit
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@KiwiMurph 5 NZ + 1 pacifika leaves 4 spots max...
Perfect. Perth adds complexity and cost for very little benefit
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@KiwiMurph 5 NZ + 1 pacifika leaves 4 spots max...
Perfect. Perth adds complexity and cost for very little benefit
But it may actually be no cost at all. In fact it might actually be too lucrative for them to turn down. If Twiggy funds the Force out of his own pocket, it gives RA/NZRU more content to sell to broadcasters at a better time for SA/NH.
So it comes down to the integrity of the comp (as the Force will struggle) versus the need for cash. And at the moment you'd think the unions would be sorely tempted to chase the moolah.
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i dont think we can talk about the Force being excluded on performance when the rebels are still in the mix, i feel its either the three traditionally stronger teams (red tahs and brumbies) or all five
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i dont think we can talk about the Force being excluded on performance when the rebels are still in the mix, i feel its either the three traditionally stronger teams (red tahs and brumbies) or all five
@Kiwiwomble you can't seriously exclude anyone on the basis of performance whilst you are still positing a Pasifika team. The odds of a Pasifika team being competitive (or even viable) are very long.
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@Kiwiwomble you can't seriously exclude anyone on the basis of performance whilst you are still positing a Pasifika team. The odds of a Pasifika team being competitive (or even viable) are very long.
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble you can't seriously exclude anyone on the basis of performance whilst you are still positing a Pasifika team. The odds of a Pasifika team being competitive (or even viable) are very long.
Yeah it is a bit of bollaux that, unless the pasifika team gets some mega molaah to buy in players from Fr/UK/Jap they'll be stuck with NZ and Oz left overs. Pretty much the Sunwolves Mk2
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is it not obvious that the different markets (aus, PI and Nz) will be based on different criteria?
PI are something new, potential to provide an even more clear pathway for new talent
AUS have been there and had a good chance so they dont get the same leeway
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is it not obvious that the different markets (aus, PI and Nz) will be based on different criteria?
PI are something new, potential to provide an even more clear pathway for new talent
AUS have been there and had a good chance so they dont get the same leeway
@Kiwiwomble Doesn't help, the same could be said of the Sunwolves, what a fucking mess that was. You have to earn the right to be in the comp, not develop in it. Every new team has been shiite for so long, if it is going to be SUPER rugby, then it also can't be DEVELOPMENT rugby. The key point that came out of the reviews of SR over the years is adding shit teams does not make a good comp that people want to watch/invest in. Pasifika will get spanked, every game, without some serious players and money
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@KiwiMurph 5 NZ + 1 pacifika leaves 4 spots max...
Perfect. Perth adds complexity and cost for very little benefit
But it may actually be no cost at all. In fact it might actually be too lucrative for them to turn down. If Twiggy funds the Force out of his own pocket, it gives RA/NZRU more content to sell to broadcasters at a better time for SA/NH.
So it comes down to the integrity of the comp (as the Force will struggle) versus the need for cash. And at the moment you'd think the unions would be sorely tempted to chase the moolah.
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@KiwiMurph 5 NZ + 1 pacifika leaves 4 spots max...
Perfect. Perth adds complexity and cost for very little benefit
But it may actually be no cost at all. In fact it might actually be too lucrative for them to turn down. If Twiggy funds the Force out of his own pocket, it gives RA/NZRU more content to sell to broadcasters at a better time for SA/NH.
So it comes down to the integrity of the comp (as the Force will struggle) versus the need for cash. And at the moment you'd think the unions would be sorely tempted to chase the moolah.
I'm sure if Twiggy puts up the cash, funds all the travel etc then they'd be welcomed, but I'd expect that want it cash upfront from him.
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Didn't the ARU agree a few years ago that 5 Aussie teams was unsustainable. Why do they suddenly want 5 teams again?
@akan004 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Didn't the ARU agree a few years ago that 5 Aussie teams was unsustainable. Why do they suddenly want 5 teams again?
Because they have opened Pandora's Box with adding the Force back into SROz. Much harder to take them back out again, they'v gone for short term gain, long term pain.
In short they're desperate!
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@akan004 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Didn't the ARU agree a few years ago that 5 Aussie teams was unsustainable. Why do they suddenly want 5 teams again?
Because they have opened Pandora's Box with adding the Force back into SROz. Much harder to take them back out again, they'v gone for short term gain, long term pain.
In short they're desperate!
@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@akan004 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Didn't the ARU agree a few years ago that 5 Aussie teams was unsustainable. Why do they suddenly want 5 teams again?
Because they have opened Pandora's Box with adding the Force back into SROz. Much harder to take them back out again, they'v gone for short term gain, long term pain.
In short they're desperate!
Now they have someone else to blame. Those bloody kiwis standing over Australian rugby and wanting to kill of the Force! UnAustralian!
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Didn't the ARU agree a few years ago that 5 Aussie teams was unsustainable. Why do they suddenly want 5 teams again?
