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<p>I'm quite frankly disgusted at the direction the flag debate is going, and the acid being directed at John Key (the whole Key's flag bullshit).</p>
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<p>By all means say, I just prefer current flag. Say our soldiers died for that flag. But that post link above saying it is one of the most culturally and historically meaningful flags in the world? Oh fuck off. We're in the southern hemisphere and were once a dominion does not make us special or unique in any way.</p>
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<p>I was always ok with a flag change, but now I really, really hope it happens, as I'm completely comfortable with the blue (closer to National party blue, oh dear god that person needs a fucking uppercut) black, silver fern and southern cross which I think says infinitely more about who we are now as a nation than the union jack.</p>
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<p>And to those snarling at pro-change high profile kiwis, grow the fuck up. Your bile and attacks and foot stomping are thoroughly embarrassing and make me rather ashamed we share a nationality. But if Canada can weather the storm of bye bye colonial representation, hello symbol that is IMMEDIATELY recognisable as us...so can we.</p> -
<p>yea, what Porny McWritesalot said!</p>
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<p>that is a great comment. The only thing I'd disagree with though is the teenage. Looking at the comments and general behavior of many of the population around this issue suggests we aren't even into pre-school yet.</p>
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<p>I'd actually disagree with the landings in the Dardanelles being an "unprovoked attack" - legitimate target, being Allies of Germany, no?</p> -
<p>there were comments I heard this morning that the black on the proposed flag made it 'depressing'</p>
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<p>I'd actually disagree with the landings in the Dardanelles being an "unprovoked attack" - legitimate target, being Allies of Germany, no?</p>
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<p>damn straight. It was a good plan too, just completely fucked up on the ground on the first day. </p> -
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<p>damn straight. <strong>It was a good plan too</strong>, just completely fucked up on the ground on the first day. </p>
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<p>I'd dispute that, but agree they were a legitimate target.</p>
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<p>I don't think that comment was that great and definitely not thought provoking or interesting:</p>
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"> Kiwi's so often tell me they are Dutch or Scottish or Brazilian or whatever place their grandparents came from, and people whose families have been here for generations so willingly accept the moniker of "pakeha"
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<p>Lets start off with the first part, acknowledging ancestry doesn't mean not being Kiwi, it's not f-ing zero sum. I'm a Maori, Pakeha, Jewish, Scottish, Portuguese NZer and happy to be so. Secondly, people who have been here for generations are happy to accept a term that defines in a way that is unique to our country yet somehow that's an issue with this 'European'? Piss off.</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">We just don't have a true sense of self-identity yet, which I expect people who grew up here will not like hearing but it is the truth. </span></p>
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<p>Yes we do, it evolves over time (just like any nation) but it doesn't mean it's not there. I grew up 'here' and do not like hearing bullshit.</p> -
<p>I'll be kind of surprised if the new flag doesn't win.</p>
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<p>There was almost 1.2 million that voted for a Lockwood design as first preference.</p>
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<p>There was only 2.4 million votes cast in the last general election.</p>
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<p>There's a very vocal group who are anti-change, but honestly I'm not even sure that some of them even have the capacity to cast a vote let alone actually have the wherewithal to show up on the day.</p> -
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I'll be kind of surprised if the new flag doesn't win.<br><br>
There was almost 1.2 million that voted for a Lockwood design as first preference.<br><br>
There was only 2.4 million votes cast in the last general election.<br><br>
There's a very vocal group who are anti-change, but honestly I'm not even sure that some of them even have the capacity to cast a vote let alone actually have the wherewithal to show up on the day.</p></blockquote>
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You might have a good point there , during the last election if you believed the stuff you read in the media Key was toast. Leftards are very very vocal particularly on social media so it's hard to get a feel on whether they actually are expressing a feeling that widely held or it's just another way of expressing their key derangement syndrome. -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="560730" data-time="1456376420"><p>I think you deleted both of them???</p></blockquote>
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No the mods did I think.<br><br>
I was agreeing with Don Frye, leftards are so vocal online it's hard to know if they actually are a good guage of the public opinion. The last election which he quoted figures from is a great example, you'd have though Key was toast if you believed the stuff that was turning up online. My favourite was every time a poll was mentioned showing something close to the actual results leftards would froth about how the polls were wrong because cellphones . It's no wonder a Key thanked David Farrier , his polls were bang on . -
<p>So what's the actual procedure for voting?</p>
<p>What day?</p>
<p>Where do you vote?</p>
<p>What times is voting open?</p>
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<p>Is it just like a general election (well my last one was early 1990's) where you drag your carcass down to a school or some such, get your name ticked off and then put an "x" somewhere?</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Siam" data-cid="560735" data-time="1456377935"><p>So what's the actual procedure for voting?<br>
What day?<br>
Where do you vote?<br>
What times is voting open?<br>
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Is it just like a general election (well my last one was early 1990's) where you drag your carcass down to a school or some such, get your name ticked off and then put an "x" somewhere?</p></blockquote>
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I don't expect the new flag to get voted in, but if it does, I will be enjoying a lot of schadenfreude</p></blockquote>
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Postal referendum, if not, I fear we would see issues at polling booths ;)<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.elections.org.nz/events/referendums-new-zealand-flag-0/voting-second-referendum">http://www.elections.org.nz/events/referendums-new-zealand-flag-0/voting-second-referendum</a>
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<p>Postal vote I think</p>
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<p>Postal referendum, if not, I fear we would see issues at polling booths ;)<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.elections.org.nz/events/referendums-new-zealand-flag-0/voting-second-referendum">http://www.elections.org.nz/events/referendums-new-zealand-flag-0/voting-second-referendum</a></p>
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<p>Thanks fellas</p>
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<p>Pretty good system, only relies on reading , ticking and finding a post box. Over here it's much easier, whoever gives you 20-50 bucks is the one you vote for easy peezy - then the army takes over but you've spent your money by then :)</p>
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<p>Perhaps a TSF poll to spice up this nation changing referendum ;)</p> -
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<p> I don't expect the new flag to get voted in, but if it does, I will be enjoying a lot of schadenfreude</p>
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<p>I think it would require an FBI investigation. We have been told no-one wanted this referendum & no-one wants the news flag, so there would have to be paranormal phenomena to explain it I reckon.</p>
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<p>(I'm still expecting the old flag to win by about 55% to 45%).</p> -
<p>Vote away<br><br>
Was in Auckland yesterday, saw both flags hanging in the light breeze on the Harbour Bridge, reckon the new one looks better in real life.</p>
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<p>This is a private poll, so fear not the extreme fors/againsts in voting! </p> -
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<p>I think it would require an FBI investigation. <strong>We have been told no-one wanted this referendum & no-one wants the news flag,</strong> so there would have to be paranormal phenomena to explain it I reckon.</p>
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<p>(I'm still expecting the old flag to win by about 55% to 45%).</p>
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<p>We've also been told its a distraction from the tppa sighing,a massive waste of money, a failed process because no vexoligists were involved [the flag expert who was on the committee doesn't count apparently] a vanity project for Key, already decided by Key so the vote is a farce, a way of avoiding treaty obligations. </p>
<p>I'd vote for change if the new flag was a picture of Gerry Brownlee 69ing Helen Clark on a green and gold background to avoid being associated with the sorts of losers who buy into that crap.</p>
