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<p>I don't think being able to vote would have swayed Mrs TRs decision to move here.</p>
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<p>doubt she would be stuck with me if I suggested we live in Aus....would make Afghanistan appealing ;)</p>
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<p>doubt she would be stuck with me if I suggested we live in Aus....would make Afghanistan appealing ;)</p>
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<p>Thank God for timer record. Mind you by the time I get access to the TV I usually fall asleep halfway through.</p>
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<p>But the TV is always mine for AB games (and most Canes games), that is non-negotiable. Mind you, the way the Canes season is shaping this year, I might prefer to watch Heart of Dixie or whatever Godawfulshite the wife is currently viewing.</p> -
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<p>And you do let her use appliances when she likes? </p>
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<p>I did try to get her to get up in the middle of the night when electricity is cheaper to do all the womanly chores, but the vacuum woke me too, so that didn't last long!</p> -
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<p>I remember Bart saying every night he got outvoted and shortland street got preference over any other program , <strong><u>even</u></strong> during Shark week.</p>
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<p>I did try to get her to get up in the middle of the night when electricity is cheaper to do all the womanly chores, but the vacuum woke me too, so that didn't last long!</p>
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<p>Vacuum????? That is some serious power wastage, give the wife minion a dust pan and tell her she is damn lucky!</p> -
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<p>Someone who considers themself a designer went through all 10,000+ designs submitted, and choose this group of 40 flags. Which tells me why I don't think designers are that necessary. Flags and art are not the same thing imo. Some of these designs appeal, but there is no way you are going to get more than 50% of the voting public rallying behind one of these flags. </p> -
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.designassembly.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/DA-flags-long-list-large.jpg'>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/DA-flags-long-list-large.jpg</a></p>
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<p>Someone who considers themself a designer went through all 10,000+ designs submitted, and choose this group of 40 flags. Which tells me why I don't think designers are that necessary. Flags and art are not the same thing imo. Some of these designs appeal, but there is no way you are going to get more than 50% of the voting public rallying behind one of these flags. </p>
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<p>Ahaaahaahaahaahaaa. Haahaahaahaahaa.</p>
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<p>Sorry, I just have to go and take one of my pills. Haahaahaahaaa.</p>
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<p>Someone who considers themself a designer went through all 10,000+ designs submitted, and choose this group of 40 flags. Which tells me why I don't think designers are that necessary. Flags and art are not the same thing imo. Some of these designs appeal, but there is no way you are going to get more than 50% of the voting public rallying behind one of these flags. </p>
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<p>There are some awful designs on that list. "Singlet"?? WTF?</p>
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<p>Lockwoods Fern beats the hell out of all 40 of those.</p> -
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Someone who considers themself a designer went through all 10,000+ designs submitted, and choose this group of 40 flags. Which tells me why I don't think designers are that necessary. Flags and art are not the same thing imo. Some of these designs appeal, but there is no way you are going to get more than 50% of the voting public rallying behind one of these flags.</p></blockquote>
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There are some awful designs on that list. "Singlet"?? WTF?<br><br>
Lockwoods Fern beats the hell out of all 40 of those.</p></blockquote>
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But desiiign daarling. <br><br>
Form<br><br>
Colouur.<br><br>
Market apppeeeal.<br><br>
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Yeah my point is we hear that "if only there had been designers involved". <br><br>
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Maybe a designer and a vexologist was the way to go? Then we could had the singlet with red peak on it!
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<p>Yeah my point is we hear that "if only there had been designers involved".<br><br>
And I think the above link shows why that may not have been useful at all.</p>
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<p>From a sample size of one? Wonder if they were 'self taught'!!</p>
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<p>From my perspective that comment (about a designer being included) isn't so much about what they would have picked themselves, but what they could have offered to the panel's discussions and final selections.</p> -
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<p>From a sample size of one? Wonder if they were 'self taught'!!</p>
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<p>From my perspective that comment (about a designer being included) isn't so much about what they would have picked themselves, but what they could have offered to the panel's discussions and final selections.</p>
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<p>They had the ceo of Saatchi and Saatchi who I suspect would know a fair bit about branding and design and a flag historian. I've posted the flag the vexoligists chose and if thats the best they could do I want those weirdos nowhere near any flag design for our country.</p> -
<p>And so it continues ... I'm starting to feel a like a Cruz or Rubio supporting Republican - dazed and confused at the outright stupidity of my fellow voting peers.</p>
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<p>I asked some honest questions (all the while stating I respected others point of view), on a Vote No Change site, where the people were abusing Richie and Dan for their involvement. A couple of them personally messaged me offering all sorts of abuse. Te Shogun, I'm looking at you. That's right, abuse. It's unbelievable. Here was my post which created the "controversy" - I was rebutting to a guy that had a go at me because I suggested polls were showing only 40% wanted change.</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(55,62,77);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(254,254,254);">Mark, I don't care what the number is. But it's high enough to suggest that Dan and Richi could well hold the view of change flag without being paid etc. Given that it seems the flag will change, why are so many of you up in arms about it?</span></p> -
<p>You won't get any argument from me re the 'taste' of those <span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">vexoligists!</span></p>
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<p>And so it continues ... I'm starting to feel a like a Cruz or Rubio supporting Republican - dazed and confused at the outright stupidity of my fellow voting peers.</p>
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<p>I asked some honest questions (all the while stating I respected others point of view), on a Vote No Change site, where the people were abusing Richie and Dan for their involvement. A couple of them personally messaged me offering all sorts of abuse. Te Shogun, I'm looking at you. That's right, abuse. It's unbelievable. Here was my post which created the "controversy" - I was rebutting to a guy that had a go at me because I suggested polls were showing only 40% wanted change.</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(55,62,77);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(254,254,254);">Mark, I don't care what the number is. But it's high enough to suggest that Dan and Richi could well hold the view of change flag without being paid etc. Given that it seems the flag will change, why are so many of you up in arms about it?</span></p>
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<p>I'll probably regret it but do you have a link to the site?</p>
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<p>Andrew Little had dinner with some reps from the company that makes Keytruda and someone in his party leaked it to the media after he'd been beseeching pharmac to fund it, I had a look at stuff comments last night and the ferals were a joy to behold in full damage control mode.</p> -
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<p>From a sample size of one? Wonder if they were 'self taught'!!</p>
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<p>From my perspective that comment (about a designer being included) isn't so much about what they would have picked themselves, but what they could have offered to the panel's discussions and final selections.</p>
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<p>If the designer's had a brief, it could work. But the flag design guidelines were extremely vague, hence laser Kiwi etc. If you think about it, the most important thing if you're a designer (in the broad sense) is that the design will appeal to more than 50% of those who vote, so that the flag changes. Now, the vast majority of designers will want to be original IMO, meaning symbols such as the fern or the southern cross won't be included in their designs, because well if you've got a degree in design you're hardly going to choose a fern for your original design, are you. Hence all these esoteric designs like in my link, that might have "design/art" appeal, but will never ever have popular appeal. If you put those 40 designs forward, there will be small pockets of the population who really like a particular flag, but not a groundswell. The closet we probably got to a "design" flag was Red Peak...and it managed 3rd in the first round, and I extremely doubt would have taken out the current flag had it made it to the 2nd round.</p>
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<p>There will absolutely never be a new flag that will please everyone. It's clear the committee went around NZ, and a large number of Joe Average Kiwis said the fern and the southern cross were important to them...hence why they ended up on the chosen flag...and why that flag has a small chance of replacing the current flag.</p>
