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AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?

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  • YeetyaahY Yeetyaah

    @Tim agree to disagree. He's been average this year but he's always been a consistent performer. I'm hoping Fozzie and co aren't looking at Goodhue as a 12.

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    @Yeetyaah said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Tim agree to disagree. He's been average this year but he's always been a consistent performer. I'm hoping Fozzie and co aren't looking at Goodhue as a 12.

    Random thought based on nothing but the fact Goodhue's best position is 13 ... Could Ennor become a decent 12?

    People with better idea of what makes a backline please discuss.

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      NZ U20 locks of the past 5 years (includes lock/loosies)

      Height/weight info taken from the player's most recent SR franchise profile or, in the absence of that, his most recent provincial profile

      Player Year in NZ U20 current NPC province current SR franchise Height/weight
      Dunshea, Mitchell 2015 Canterbury Crusaders 1.97m/115kg
      Cridge, Geoff 2015 Hawke's Bay ex-Hurricanes 2.00m/114kg
      Goodhue, Josh 2015 Northland Blues 1.99m/115kg
      Blackwell, James 2015 Wellington Hurricanes 1.90m/107kg
      Strange, Quinten 2016 Ta$man Crusaders 1.99m/116kg
      Dalzell, Hamish 2016 Auckland ex-Crusaders 2.01m/118kg
      Walker-Leawere, Isaia 2016, 2017 Hawke's Bay Hurricanes 1.97m/122kg
      Hoeata, Fin 2016 Taranaki ex-Chiefs 1.96m/105kg*
      Pierce, Jacob 2017 North Harbour Blues 2.01m/106kg
      Caird, Sam 2017 Northland 2.02m/116kg*
      Slade, Samuel 2017 Counties M. 1.94m/111kg**
      McWhannell, Laghlan 2018 Waikato? Chiefs 1.98m/114kg
      Tucker, Will 2018 Otago Highlanders 2.02m/111kg**
      Grace, Cullen 2019 Canterbury Crusaders 1.93m/107kg
      Plumtree, Taine 2019 Wellington ?
      Vaa'i, Tupou 2019 Taranaki Chiefs 1.98m/118kg
      Ah Kuoi, Naitoa 2019*** Wellington Chiefs 1.96m/116kg

      *weight according to Wikipedia
      **height/weight according to Rugbypass
      ***not selected for JWC, only Oceania U20 Championship

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        Easy enough to gain bulk. Pretty fucken hard to gain height.

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        • StargazerS Stargazer

          Dmac is the luckiest man in that squad.

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          @Stargazer said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

          Dmac is the luckiest man in that squad.

          Not so sure.

          Whilst correct he was sub-optimal in SR/SRA I don't think be was hopeless. He was good last night. He was brilliant up until his injury last year. Has Test experience. And covers the BB role when they elect to play that tactic.

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          • Chris B.C Chris B.

            Interesting to see the changes from last year's RWC squad.

            Gone are:
            Coltman, Moli, Taávao, Barrett, Retallick, Jacobson, Read, Todd

            Crotty, SBW, Ben Smith

            The first six will all potentially come again, though I have doubts about Coltman and Ta'avao.

            Lock an obvious challenge in the absence of Retallick and Barrett, and I suspect both the young Ta$man locks would have made it if PPP hadn't been injured. But, that issue will resolve itself in time.

            A slight issue at 2nd five with Laumape injured and ALB not in his best form. I reckon there's a case to play Jordie at 2nd five and Beaudy at fullback.

            Otherwise, something of a needed refresh - I wouldn't want to go to a RWC with a squad this green, but there's lots of upside as the young guys get some tests under their belts.

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            @Chris-B said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

            Interesting to see the changes from last year's RWC squad.

            Gone are:
            Coltman, Moli, Taávao, Barrett, Retallick, Jacobson, Read, Todd

            Crotty, SBW, Ben Smith

            The first six will all potentially come again, though I have doubts about Coltman and Ta'avao.

            Moli and SB injured rather than just not selected too.

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              I feel like Boshier was unlucky not to make the squad, he was one of the few shining lights in a shit arse Chiefs year, and always caused good trouble at the breakdown.

              My worry of Cane as captain, is that he is one hell of an injury magnet (especially head knocks.) He seems to spend a ratio of 1 week on three weeks off nowadays (not debating toughness or heart AT ALL) also that he seems to have moved away a bit from a true seven. Shrug.

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              • sharkS shark

                Easy enough to gain bulk. Pretty fucken hard to gain height.

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                @shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                Easy enough to gain bulk. Pretty fucken hard to gain height.

                I’ll try some of these and let you know. 6 foot 4 here I come.

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                  @shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                  Easy enough to gain bulk. Pretty fucken hard to gain height.

                  I’ll try some of these and let you know. 6 foot 4 here I come.

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                  @MN5 I'd rather keep my skin

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                  • MokeyM Mokey

                    I feel like Boshier was unlucky not to make the squad, he was one of the few shining lights in a shit arse Chiefs year, and always caused good trouble at the breakdown.

                    My worry of Cane as captain, is that he is one hell of an injury magnet (especially head knocks.) He seems to spend a ratio of 1 week on three weeks off nowadays (not debating toughness or heart AT ALL) also that he seems to have moved away a bit from a true seven. Shrug.

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                    @Mokey said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                    I feel like Boshier was unlucky not to make the squad, he was one of the few shining lights in a shit arse Chiefs year, and always caused good trouble at the breakdown.

                    My worry of Cane as captain, is that he is one hell of an injury magnet (especially head knocks.) He seems to spend a ratio of 1 week on three weeks off nowadays (not debating toughness or heart AT ALL) also that he seems to have moved away a bit from a true seven. Shrug.

                    I think Fozzie has taken a leaf out of Eddies book. No need for “true sevens” if you have guys with a licence to smash opposition off the ball.

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                      I think in a few years (not yet) Caleb Clarke will follow his old man into the 12 jersey, his balance and skillset seems a good fit to me

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                        • StargazerS Stargazer

                          NZ U20 locks of the past 5 years (includes lock/loosies)

                          Height/weight info taken from the player's most recent SR franchise profile or, in the absence of that, his most recent provincial profile

                          Player Year in NZ U20 current NPC province current SR franchise Height/weight
                          Dunshea, Mitchell 2015 Canterbury Crusaders 1.97m/115kg
                          Cridge, Geoff 2015 Hawke's Bay ex-Hurricanes 2.00m/114kg
                          Goodhue, Josh 2015 Northland Blues 1.99m/115kg
                          Blackwell, James 2015 Wellington Hurricanes 1.90m/107kg
                          Strange, Quinten 2016 Ta$man Crusaders 1.99m/116kg
                          Dalzell, Hamish 2016 Auckland ex-Crusaders 2.01m/118kg
                          Walker-Leawere, Isaia 2016, 2017 Hawke's Bay Hurricanes 1.97m/122kg
                          Hoeata, Fin 2016 Taranaki ex-Chiefs 1.96m/105kg*
                          Pierce, Jacob 2017 North Harbour Blues 2.01m/106kg
                          Caird, Sam 2017 Northland 2.02m/116kg*
                          Slade, Samuel 2017 Counties M. 1.94m/111kg**
                          McWhannell, Laghlan 2018 Waikato? Chiefs 1.98m/114kg
                          Tucker, Will 2018 Otago Highlanders 2.02m/111kg**
                          Grace, Cullen 2019 Canterbury Crusaders 1.93m/107kg
                          Plumtree, Taine 2019 Wellington ?
                          Vaa'i, Tupou 2019 Taranaki Chiefs 1.98m/118kg
                          Ah Kuoi, Naitoa 2019*** Wellington Chiefs 1.96m/116kg

                          *weight according to Wikipedia
                          **height/weight according to Rugbypass
                          ***not selected for JWC, only Oceania U20 Championship

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                          @Stargazer Pierce at 106kg might be a mistake from the Blues. Harbour had him at 112kg last year, and he looked pretty solid, even next to Tuipulotu, when I saw him in Newmarket in July.

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                          • TimT Tim

                            @Stargazer Pierce at 106kg might be a mistake from the Blues. Harbour had him at 112kg last year, and he looked pretty solid, even next to Tuipulotu, when I saw him in Newmarket in July.

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                            @Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                            @Stargazer Pierce at 106kg might be a mistake from the Blues. Harbour had him at 112kg last year, and he looked pretty solid, even next to Tuipulotu, when I saw in Newmarket in July.

                            The Super Rugby teams very rarely update player profiles. The listed weight tends to be the weight the player joined the team at

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                              Yes, he is pretty big and renowned for his strength in the scrums. That wouldn't be the case if he was weighing 106 kg.

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                                What is it that people see in Strange? I'm pretty unconvinced eh.

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                                • BonesB Bones

                                  What is it that people see in Strange? I'm pretty unconvinced eh.

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                                  @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                  What is it that people see in Strange? I'm pretty unconvinced eh.

                                  At least I've heard of him, unlike the other lock!

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                                  • BonesB Bones

                                    What is it that people see in Strange? I'm pretty unconvinced eh.

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                                    African Monkey
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                                    @Bones Agreed. Dunshea plays most of the mins in SR and made a good fist of things, yet somehow the overhyped Strange whose best contribution was throwing a tantrum when his team was losing and got his marching orders for, gets the gig instead.

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                                    • TimT Tim

                                      @Stargazer Pierce at 106kg might be a mistake from the Blues. Harbour had him at 112kg last year, and he looked pretty solid, even next to Tuipulotu, when I saw him in Newmarket in July.

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                                      @Tim Wiki has him at 121 kgs, Tim. Sounds about right.

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                                      • BonesB Bones

                                        What is it that people see in Strange? I'm pretty unconvinced eh.

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                                        @Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                        What is it that people see in Strange? I'm pretty unconvinced eh.

                                        I had to google images just to know what he looks like.

                                        Bro, does he even lift ?

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                                        • K kidcalder

                                          I think in a few years (not yet) Caleb Clarke will follow his old man into the 12 jersey, his balance and skillset seems a good fit to me

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                                          @kidcalder said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

                                          I think in a few years (not yet) Caleb Clarke will follow his old man into the 12 jersey, his balance and skillset seems a good fit to me

                                          Not sure about passing (Nonu precedent), but running style seems perfect.

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