AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?
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@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky Ioane only burst onto the scene 3-4 years ago. He must be in his mid-20s. Yet you speak of him like he's 30 years plus and/or coming back from a knee injury.
He is 23. Played Centre at School/Under 20. Started pro-Rugby on the Wing. Was oustanding in 2017. Had some calf/hamstring problems in 2018 and 2019. Now says he prefers 13. Looking good there.
Thanks for the player bio. How about explaining how or why he's no longer fast enough to play wing, in your opinion?
I'd guarantee he's quicker than Ben Smith was the last few years, quicker than CJ at his peak etc etc.
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky Ioane only burst onto the scene 3-4 years ago. He must be in his mid-20s. Yet you speak of him like he's 30 years plus and/or coming back from a knee injury.
He is 23. Played Centre at School/Under 20. Started pro-Rugby on the Wing. Was oustanding in 2017. Had some calf/hamstring problems in 2018 and 2019. Now says he prefers 13. Looking good there.
Thanks for the player bio. How about explaining how or why he's no longer fast enough to play wing, in your opinion?
I'd guarantee he's quicker than Ben Smith was the last few years, quicker than CJ at his peak etc etc.
I have a suspicion that speed is not the reason at all.
No one will admit this type of flaw publicly but I suspect that if you analysed his natural play on the wing you can also work out how to shut him down easily. It could be a body position thing or a one way step or an initial movement.
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
Those same attributes may not show up when playing without the sideline as a defender or when taking the ball on running lines.
Just a possibility -
For what it's worth, my 23:
Moody Ofa T
Taylor Coles
Laulala Lomax
Whitelock
Tuipolutu Strange
Frizzel
Savea Cane
SotutuSmith Perenara
Mo'unga
ALB
Goodhue
Clarke R Ioane
Jordan J Barrett
B BarrettYeah I know there no chance Savea will usurp Fosters' named skipper, but it's the 23 I'd select.
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For what it's worth, my 23:
Moody Ofa T
Taylor Coles
Laulala Lomax
Whitelock
Tuipolutu Strange
Frizzel
Savea Cane
SotutuSmith Perenara
Mo'unga
ALB
Goodhue
Clarke R Ioane
Jordan J Barrett
B BarrettYeah I know there no chance Savea will usurp Fosters' named skipper, but it's the 23 I'd select.
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
For what it's worth, my 23:
Moody Ofa T
Taylor Coles
Laulala Lomax
Whitelock
Tuipolutu Strange
Frizzel
Savea Cane
SotutuSmith Perenara
Mo'unga
ALB
Goodhue
Clarke R Ioane
Jordan J Barrett
B BarrettYeah I know there no chance Savea will usurp Fosters' named skipper, but it's the 23 I'd select.
I'd go that with Savea/ Cane swapped around. BB starting at 10, Mounga bench and JB at 15
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@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky Ioane only burst onto the scene 3-4 years ago. He must be in his mid-20s. Yet you speak of him like he's 30 years plus and/or coming back from a knee injury.
He is 23. Played Centre at School/Under 20. Started pro-Rugby on the Wing. Was oustanding in 2017. Had some calf/hamstring problems in 2018 and 2019. Now says he prefers 13. Looking good there.
Thanks for the player bio. How about explaining how or why he's no longer fast enough to play wing, in your opinion?
I'd guarantee he's quicker than Ben Smith was the last few years, quicker than CJ at his peak etc etc.
@shark Looks like he's fast over 30-40 metres then slows relative to a fast winger. (Maybe wrong). See 2018 long-distance try Vs France where Teddy Thomas gains on RI over 50+ metres. From 3:07 below. (TBF he scored a double on the Left Wing in that game.) See perhaps as well Will Jordan's first try on Saturday.
Centre allows RI to use offload game more.
AB squad teamnaming identified Reiko Ioane as a Midfielder now, but that doesn't rule out seeing him as a Wing I guess.
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Hard to get excited about this. I mean you need opposition.
@Billy-Tell said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Hard to get excited about this. I mean you need opposition.
This. It was obviously all pre-booked with Sky TV, but it was absurd seeing a squad named for Fixtures that don't exist yet and may never do so.
At the moment, this is no more than a training squad.
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@Billy-Tell said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Hard to get excited about this. I mean you need opposition.
This. It was obviously all pre-booked with Sky TV, but it was absurd seeing a squad named for Fixtures that don't exist yet and may never do so.
At the moment, this is no more than a training squad.
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@sparky so what don't name a squad, plan anything, learn the plays until kick off? They've gotta name the squad and get the ball rolling, otherwise leaving it far too late to get shit in one sock
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@Machpants Agree. But this is a Training Squad at the moment. The 7 newbies are no more All Blacks than Brad Shields or Ben Tameifuna until they take the field in a game.
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
The 7 newbies are no more All Blacks than Brad Shields or Ben Tameifuna until they take the field in a game.
but that is always the case anyway when newbies are named for the EOYT tours?
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@sparky so what don't name a squad, plan anything, learn the plays until kick off? They've gotta name the squad and get the ball rolling, otherwise leaving it far too late to get shit in one sock
@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky so what don't name a squad, plan anything, learn the plays until kick off? They've gotta name the squad and get the ball rolling, otherwise leaving it far too late to get shit in one sock
Yep. We have to get on with it. If we can't have matches then so be it, but at least prepare.
It's navigator and pilot thinking, and we're somewhat brainwashed, but what else are you going to do? The All Blacks cease to exist for a year, two, three?
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@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
The 7 newbies are no more All Blacks than Brad Shields or Ben Tameifuna until they take the field in a game.
but that is always the case anyway when newbies are named for the EOYT tours?
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@KiwiMurph Hope so.
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@taniwharugby I guess, but for previous tours for a very long time there have always been confirmed fixtures before the squad's named.
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@taniwharugby I guess, but for previous tours for a very long time there have always been confirmed fixtures before the squad's named.
This is not like previous years. The biggest winner of the 2020 year is the word "unprecedented".
We are still able to have an All Blacks squad.
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@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@taniwharugby I guess, but for previous tours for a very long time there have always been confirmed fixtures before the squad's named.
This is not like previous years. The biggest winner of the 2020 year is the word "unprecedented".
We are still able to have an All Blacks squad.
@Snowy said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@taniwharugby I guess, but for previous tours for a very long time there have always been confirmed fixtures before the squad's named.
This is not like previous years. The biggest winner of the 2020 year is the word "unprecedented".
We are still able to have an All Blacks squad.
Yes, but until there is opposition (which hopefully will be confirmed soon) this is a training squad.
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@Snowy said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@taniwharugby I guess, but for previous tours for a very long time there have always been confirmed fixtures before the squad's named.
This is not like previous years. The biggest winner of the 2020 year is the word "unprecedented".
We are still able to have an All Blacks squad.
Yes, but until there is opposition (which hopefully will be confirmed soon) this is a training squad.
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@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky Ioane only burst onto the scene 3-4 years ago. He must be in his mid-20s. Yet you speak of him like he's 30 years plus and/or coming back from a knee injury.
He is 23. Played Centre at School/Under 20. Started pro-Rugby on the Wing. Was oustanding in 2017. Had some calf/hamstring problems in 2018 and 2019. Now says he prefers 13. Looking good there.
Thanks for the player bio. How about explaining how or why he's no longer fast enough to play wing, in your opinion?
I'd guarantee he's quicker than Ben Smith was the last few years, quicker than CJ at his peak etc etc.
I have a suspicion that speed is not the reason at all.
No one will admit this type of flaw publicly but I suspect that if you analysed his natural play on the wing you can also work out how to shut him down easily. It could be a body position thing or a one way step or an initial movement.
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
Those same attributes may not show up when playing without the sideline as a defender or when taking the ball on running lines.
Just a possibility@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky Ioane only burst onto the scene 3-4 years ago. He must be in his mid-20s. Yet you speak of him like he's 30 years plus and/or coming back from a knee injury.
He is 23. Played Centre at School/Under 20. Started pro-Rugby on the Wing. Was oustanding in 2017. Had some calf/hamstring problems in 2018 and 2019. Now says he prefers 13. Looking good there.
Thanks for the player bio. How about explaining how or why he's no longer fast enough to play wing, in your opinion?
I'd guarantee he's quicker than Ben Smith was the last few years, quicker than CJ at his peak etc etc.
I have a suspicion that speed is not the reason at all.
No one will admit this type of flaw publicly but I suspect that if you analysed his natural play on the wing you can also work out how to shut him down easily. It could be a body position thing or a one way step or an initial movement.
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
Those same attributes may not show up when playing without the sideline as a defender or when taking the ball on running lines.
Just a possibilityTBH, sounds like bollocks, most super coaches couldn't shut him down last year even when he had a niggle and he was barely given any ball at international level for the theory to be tested there.
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Lomax was announced as Highlanders and Ta$man. Papali'i was announced as Blues and Auckland as well. You'd think they'd know who their players play for.
@Yeetyaah i missed that, pretty lazy...i mean..we'll take lomax back
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@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky Ioane only burst onto the scene 3-4 years ago. He must be in his mid-20s. Yet you speak of him like he's 30 years plus and/or coming back from a knee injury.
He is 23. Played Centre at School/Under 20. Started pro-Rugby on the Wing. Was oustanding in 2017. Had some calf/hamstring problems in 2018 and 2019. Now says he prefers 13. Looking good there.
Thanks for the player bio. How about explaining how or why he's no longer fast enough to play wing, in your opinion?
I'd guarantee he's quicker than Ben Smith was the last few years, quicker than CJ at his peak etc etc.
I have a suspicion that speed is not the reason at all.
No one will admit this type of flaw publicly but I suspect that if you analysed his natural play on the wing you can also work out how to shut him down easily. It could be a body position thing or a one way step or an initial movement.
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
Those same attributes may not show up when playing without the sideline as a defender or when taking the ball on running lines.
Just a possibilityTBH, sounds like bollocks, most super coaches couldn't shut him down last year even when he had a niggle and he was barely given any ball at international level for the theory to be tested there.
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@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky Ioane only burst onto the scene 3-4 years ago. He must be in his mid-20s. Yet you speak of him like he's 30 years plus and/or coming back from a knee injury.
He is 23. Played Centre at School/Under 20. Started pro-Rugby on the Wing. Was oustanding in 2017. Had some calf/hamstring problems in 2018 and 2019. Now says he prefers 13. Looking good there.
Thanks for the player bio. How about explaining how or why he's no longer fast enough to play wing, in your opinion?
I'd guarantee he's quicker than Ben Smith was the last few years, quicker than CJ at his peak etc etc.
I have a suspicion that speed is not the reason at all.
No one will admit this type of flaw publicly but I suspect that if you analysed his natural play on the wing you can also work out how to shut him down easily. It could be a body position thing or a one way step or an initial movement.
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
Those same attributes may not show up when playing without the sideline as a defender or when taking the ball on running lines.
Just a possibility@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
No.
