Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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I know that everyone is climbing into Foster. The cracks were there at the World Cup. They need a rethink. We have to find a way to win the contact and that means different players.
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I know that everyone is climbing into Foster. The cracks were there at the World Cup. They need a rethink. We have to find a way to win the contact and that means different players.
Because Foster was there for the WC rot and has just carried on the mistakes. Ardie at 8 for example.
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@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Ardie is the wrong number 8 for any team that matches us. Hoskins should start now. We have lots of 6s just need to pick the best.
IMO Ardie actually played quite well. He definitely wasn't the worst player out there and had a lot of energy for the final try. He just didn't offer what we needed tonight.
@hydro11 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Ardie is the wrong number 8 for any team that matches us. Hoskins should start now. We have lots of 6s just need to pick the best.
IMO Ardie actually played quite well. He definitely wasn't the worst player out there and had a lot of energy for the final try. He just didn't offer what we needed tonight.
He played well...but he played like a 7...so we had one tackling 7 and one running 7...and were missing an 8
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@hydro11 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Ardie is the wrong number 8 for any team that matches us. Hoskins should start now. We have lots of 6s just need to pick the best.
IMO Ardie actually played quite well. He definitely wasn't the worst player out there and had a lot of energy for the final try. He just didn't offer what we needed tonight.
He played well...but he played like a 7...so we had one tackling 7 and one running 7...and were missing an 8
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Ardie is the wrong number 8 for any team that matches us. Hoskins should start now. We have lots of 6s just need to pick the best.
IMO Ardie actually played quite well. He definitely wasn't the worst player out there and had a lot of energy for the final try. He just didn't offer what we needed tonight.
He played well...but he played like a 7...so we had one tackling 7 and one running 7...and were missing an 8
And a hard running six....
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@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Ardie is the wrong number 8 for any team that matches us. Hoskins should start now. We have lots of 6s just need to pick the best.
IMO Ardie actually played quite well. He definitely wasn't the worst player out there and had a lot of energy for the final try. He just didn't offer what we needed tonight.
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@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Ardie is the wrong number 8 for any team that matches us. Hoskins should start now. We have lots of 6s just need to pick the best.
IMO Ardie actually played quite well. He definitely wasn't the worst player out there and had a lot of energy for the final try. He just didn't offer what we needed tonight.
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@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I know that everyone is climbing into Foster. The cracks were there at the World Cup. They need a rethink. We have to find a way to win the contact and that means different players.
Because Foster was there for the WC rot and has just carried on the mistakes. Ardie at 8 for example.
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I hope
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 always starts with winning contact.
Loose forwards got monstered in the first half.
It's amazing how we could see that Frizell and to a lesser extent Ardie don't have the required physically for test rugby, yet Foster, Plumtree and co can't.
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Ardie is the wrong number 8 for any team that matches us. Hoskins should start now. We have lots of 6s just need to pick the best.
IMO Ardie actually played quite well. He definitely wasn't the worst player out there and had a lot of energy for the final try. He just didn't offer what we needed tonight.
He played well...but he played like a 7...so we had one tackling 7 and one running 7...and were missing an 8
And a hard running six....
Please no more Frizell from now on. SR is his level.
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@Duluth said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Duluth said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Cane/Sotutu/Ioane
Savea on the bench
Ahem..
I've had problems with Akira's attitude in the past, but he played OK last week and I liked his attitude when he took one for the team when he was taken off early.
Def. deserves another chance.
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I hope
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 always starts with winning contact.
Loose forwards got monstered in the first half.
It's amazing how we could see that Frizell and to a lesser extent Ardie don't have the required physically for test rugby, yet Foster, Plumtree and co can't.
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Ardie is the wrong number 8 for any team that matches us. Hoskins should start now. We have lots of 6s just need to pick the best.
IMO Ardie actually played quite well. He definitely wasn't the worst player out there and had a lot of energy for the final try. He just didn't offer what we needed tonight.
He played well...but he played like a 7...so we had one tackling 7 and one running 7...and were missing an 8
And a hard running six....
Please no more Frizell from now on. SR is his level.
@akan004 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I hope
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 always starts with winning contact.
Loose forwards got monstered in the first half.
It's amazing how we could see that Frizell and to a lesser extent Ardie don't have the required physically for test rugby, yet Foster, Plumtree and co can't.
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Ardie is the wrong number 8 for any team that matches us. Hoskins should start now. We have lots of 6s just need to pick the best.
IMO Ardie actually played quite well. He definitely wasn't the worst player out there and had a lot of energy for the final try. He just didn't offer what we needed tonight.
He played well...but he played like a 7...so we had one tackling 7 and one running 7...and were missing an 8
And a hard running six....
Please no more Frizell from now on. SR is his level.
Maybe the fern has just got a pet punching bag....
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It's not as simple as putting Sotutu in for Ardie though. Ultimately it comes down to how the coach wants the team to play and the instructions they give.
@hydro11 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
It's not as simple as putting Sotutu in for Ardie though. Ultimately it comes down to how the coach wants the team to play and the instructions they give.
Would love to know what they were for today's game because fuck me that was some of the dumbest rugby I have seen in a long time.
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@akan004 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I hope
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 always starts with winning contact.
Loose forwards got monstered in the first half.
It's amazing how we could see that Frizell and to a lesser extent Ardie don't have the required physically for test rugby, yet Foster, Plumtree and co can't.
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Ardie is the wrong number 8 for any team that matches us. Hoskins should start now. We have lots of 6s just need to pick the best.
IMO Ardie actually played quite well. He definitely wasn't the worst player out there and had a lot of energy for the final try. He just didn't offer what we needed tonight.
He played well...but he played like a 7...so we had one tackling 7 and one running 7...and were missing an 8
And a hard running six....
Please no more Frizell from now on. SR is his level.
Maybe the fern has just got a pet punching bag....
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@akan004 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I hope
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 always starts with winning contact.
Loose forwards got monstered in the first half.
It's amazing how we could see that Frizell and to a lesser extent Ardie don't have the required physically for test rugby, yet Foster, Plumtree and co can't.
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Ardie is the wrong number 8 for any team that matches us. Hoskins should start now. We have lots of 6s just need to pick the best.
IMO Ardie actually played quite well. He definitely wasn't the worst player out there and had a lot of energy for the final try. He just didn't offer what we needed tonight.
He played well...but he played like a 7...so we had one tackling 7 and one running 7...and were missing an 8
And a hard running six....
Please no more Frizell from now on. SR is his level.
Maybe the fern has just got a pet punching bag....
Reiko has that covered
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@akan004 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I hope
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 always starts with winning contact.
Loose forwards got monstered in the first half.
It's amazing how we could see that Frizell and to a lesser extent Ardie don't have the required physically for test rugby, yet Foster, Plumtree and co can't.
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Ardie is the wrong number 8 for any team that matches us. Hoskins should start now. We have lots of 6s just need to pick the best.
IMO Ardie actually played quite well. He definitely wasn't the worst player out there and had a lot of energy for the final try. He just didn't offer what we needed tonight.
He played well...but he played like a 7...so we had one tackling 7 and one running 7...and were missing an 8
And a hard running six....
Please no more Frizell from now on. SR is his level.
Maybe the fern has just got a pet punching bag....
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@akan004 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I hope
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 always starts with winning contact.
Loose forwards got monstered in the first half.
It's amazing how we could see that Frizell and to a lesser extent Ardie don't have the required physically for test rugby, yet Foster, Plumtree and co can't.
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@hydro11 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@kev said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan Ardie is the wrong number 8 for any team that matches us. Hoskins should start now. We have lots of 6s just need to pick the best.
IMO Ardie actually played quite well. He definitely wasn't the worst player out there and had a lot of energy for the final try. He just didn't offer what we needed tonight.
He played well...but he played like a 7...so we had one tackling 7 and one running 7...and were missing an 8
And a hard running six....
Please no more Frizell from now on. SR is his level.
Maybe the fern has just got a pet punching bag....
He also has a lot of support tbf.
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@hydro11 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
It's not as simple as putting Sotutu in for Ardie though. Ultimately it comes down to how the coach wants the team to play and the instructions they give.
Would love to know what they were for today's game because fuck me that was some of the dumbest rugby I have seen in a long time.
@chimoaus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Would love to know what they were for today's game because fuck me that was some of the dumbest rugby I have seen in a long time.
Headless chickens without the chickens.
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That game made all of the worst fears about the Foster era come true. He won't make it to the next world cup. Shit he'll be lucky to make it until the end of the RC next year. That looked like a team that was poorly coached and poorly prepared.
It's been on the cards for years (and screamed from the rooftops here at TSF) that we need to up the physicality because the game is changing. But due to arrogance or hubris or both, the brains trust seem to be blind to that fact. They need to get wise fast or the next few years are going to make 98 look like the golden era.
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@Duluth said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Duluth said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Cane/Sotutu/Ioane
Savea on the bench
Ahem..
I've had problems with Akira's attitude in the past, but he played OK last week and I liked his attitude when he took one for the team when he was taken off early.
Def. deserves another chance.
@Victor-Meldrew I agree. He still has to prove himself. We have seen Frizzel and that is not working along with Ardie at 8.
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I hate to say it but are we too arrogant, so many just dumb shit, SB last week, Coles this week, RM missing touch, Clarke taking the mark and not passing to Mouga or Barrett. Out set piece also went to shit missing lineouts 5m out, scrum got penalised again. This is looking like a tough reign under Foster.
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Playing people in their specialist position is my surprise suggestion to the coaching staff.
Oh and revisiting the midfield.
I'm beginning to think (and this surprises me after the Conrad Smith years) we have enough good 13s but are missing quality 12s.
Arguably ALB, JG, PUJ (my preference, I think, need to see more of him) and RI are 13. ALB is a goodish 12 as well and the best 12/13 bench replacement but is he the best 12? Perhaps. NL doesn't look 100% and we don't have many other options. I miss Crotty.
