Black Caps v Pakistan
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I reckon the plan early today has to be get Nicholls to his ton, get a lead and then accelerate a bit. Possibly getting way ahead of ourselves but a niggly declaration leaving Pakistan half an hour to bat would work wonders.
Any other thoughts ?
Just keep piling on the runs!
What do we think is an acceptable total/lead from here, considering we're pretty much level pegging with 7 wickets in hand?
450 minimum, lead of 150?
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I reckon the plan early today has to be get Nicholls to his ton, get a lead and then accelerate a bit. Possibly getting way ahead of ourselves but a niggly declaration leaving Pakistan half an hour to bat would work wonders.
Any other thoughts ?
Just keep piling on the runs!
What do we think is an acceptable total/lead from here, considering we're pretty much level pegging with 7 wickets in hand?
450 minimum, lead of 150?
More like 600, lead of 300. More if we can get it. Only want to bat once.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls dropped again.
He's leading a charmed life this summer.
While it's great for the team, it's incredibly frustrating with Conway ready for a crack. Why should Nichols be judged by the poor performance of the opposition?
If we have excellent players who can't get a look in then that's good for NZ cricket.
Besides which as I posted earlier Rossco is having a slightly lean patch of late, Conway might get a shot there soon if he decides to retire ? ( he's 37 in March )
It's not through Nichols' ability that he can't get a look in. It's through Pakistans ineptitude.
Rossco is not looking like he's trying to play test cricket at the minute. Almost like he's been asked to play a more attacking role? Either way he's not shelving his dangerous shots at all, which worked for that quick 70 the other day but looks a bit out of place after two quick wickets.
Either way, they shouldn't drop Rossco before Nichols if Nichols has given more chances early in his innings than Taylor has. No idea if that's the case tbf.
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls dropped again.
He's leading a charmed life this summer.
While it's great for the team, it's incredibly frustrating with Conway ready for a crack. Why should Nichols be judged by the poor performance of the opposition?
If we have excellent players who can't get a look in then that's good for NZ cricket.
Besides which as I posted earlier Rossco is having a slightly lean patch of late, Conway might get a shot there soon if he decides to retire ? ( he's 37 in March )
It's not through Nichols' ability that he can't get a look in. It's through Pakistans ineptitude.
Nonsense, Nicholls ability is the biggest factor in him scoring runs at the moment, particularly mentally where he's making the opposition pay when he gets a chance. So often batsmen throw it away when they are struggling to find form but Nicholls has shown multiple times that he has what it takes to fight for his wicket when things get tough.
I get that he's had his fair share of luck this season but that's not been the case his entire career. There are times when you feel in good nick but every half chance is being taken, other times you get a few chances when you're trying to find form and it's up to you to make the most of it. But you don't fluke your way to a 44 average with 7 tons after 37 matches at this level. All batsmen get chances from time to time, Kane has had a few this year as well.
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@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls dropped again.
He's leading a charmed life this summer.
While it's great for the team, it's incredibly frustrating with Conway ready for a crack. Why should Nichols be judged by the poor performance of the opposition?
If we have excellent players who can't get a look in then that's good for NZ cricket.
Besides which as I posted earlier Rossco is having a slightly lean patch of late, Conway might get a shot there soon if he decides to retire ? ( he's 37 in March )
It's not through Nichols' ability that he can't get a look in. It's through Pakistans ineptitude.
Nonsense, Nicholls ability is the biggest factor in him scoring runs at the moment, particularly mentally where he's making the opposition pay when he gets a chance. So often batsmen throw it away when they are struggling to find form but Nicholls has shown multiple times that he has what it takes to fight for his wicket when things get tough.
I get that he's had his fair share of luck this season but that's not been the case his entire career. There are times when you feel in good nick but every half chance is being taken, other times you get a few chances when you're trying to find form and it's up to you to make the most of it. But you don't fluke your way to a 44 average with 7 tons after 37 matches at this level. All batsmen get chances from time to time, Kane has had a few this year as well.
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls dropped again.
He's leading a charmed life this summer.
While it's great for the team, it's incredibly frustrating with Conway ready for a crack. Why should Nichols be judged by the poor performance of the opposition?
If we have excellent players who can't get a look in then that's good for NZ cricket.
Besides which as I posted earlier Rossco is having a slightly lean patch of late, Conway might get a shot there soon if he decides to retire ? ( he's 37 in March )
It's not through Nichols' ability that he can't get a look in. It's through Pakistans ineptitude.
Nonsense, Nicholls ability is the biggest factor in him scoring runs at the moment, particularly mentally where he's making the opposition pay when he gets a chance. So often batsmen throw it away when they are struggling to find form but Nicholls has shown multiple times that he has what it takes to fight for his wicket when things get tough.
I get that he's had his fair share of luck this season but that's not been the case his entire career. There are times when you feel in good nick but every half chance is being taken, other times you get a few chances when you're trying to find form and it's up to you to make the most of it. But you don't fluke your way to a 44 average with 7 tons after 37 matches at this level. All batsmen get chances from time to time, Kane has had a few this year as well.
Well said. If Nicholls was as shit as @delicatessen is implying he'd be out by now. You still have to have the goods to get the runs and his record speaks for itself ( and I definitely doubted his ability early in his career so he proved me wrong ).
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@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I reckon the plan early today has to be get Nicholls to his ton, get a lead and then accelerate a bit. Possibly getting way ahead of ourselves but a niggly declaration leaving Pakistan half an hour to bat would work wonders.
Any other thoughts ?
Just keep piling on the runs!
What do we think is an acceptable total/lead from here, considering we're pretty much level pegging with 7 wickets in hand?
450 minimum, lead of 150?
More like 600, lead of 300. More if we can get it. Only want to bat once.
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I reckon the plan early today has to be get Nicholls to his ton, get a lead and then accelerate a bit. Possibly getting way ahead of ourselves but a niggly declaration leaving Pakistan half an hour to bat would work wonders.
Any other thoughts ?
Just keep piling on the runs!
What do we think is an acceptable total/lead from here, considering we're pretty much level pegging with 7 wickets in hand?
450 minimum, lead of 150?
More like 600, lead of 300. More if we can get it. Only want to bat once.
Totally agree, I was talking what we'd accept as a bare minimum from our overnight position - if things didn't go the the plan the crew at TSF had set out
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Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
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Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Pakistan is not a good test side even more so when they are missing at least two players that would walk into the current side.
“Luck” like dropped catches, poor bowling decisions etc have been a part of the game since Adam put on the whites, but you’ve still got to put the runs on. Nicholls isn’t the first batsman that has a few flaws to make runs against a lesser side...
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@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Pakistan is not a good test side even more so when they are missing at least two players that would walk into the current side.
“Luck” like dropped catches, poor bowling decisions etc have been a part of the game since Adam put on the whites, but you’ve still got to put the runs on. Nicholls isn’t the first batsman that has a few flaws to make runs against a lesser side...
@ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Pakistan is not a good test side even more so when they are missing at least two players that would walk into the current side.
“Luck” like dropped catches, poor bowling decisions etc have been a part of the game since Adam put on the whites, but you’ve still got to put the runs on. Nicholls isn’t the first batsman that has a few flaws to make runs against a lesser side...
They’re better than the Windies and they’re showing that but we should still win this pretty comfortably if all goes to plan
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Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Absolutely he's flattered by the let offs. But he's also had periods, and will again have periods where he has no luck and his scores will reflect that as well. You take the ups with the downs as a batsmen, it tends to even out over a longer period of time.
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@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Absolutely he's flattered by the let offs. But he's also had periods, and will again have periods where he has no luck and his scores will reflect that as well. You take the ups with the downs as a batsmen, it tends to even out over a longer period of time.
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Absolutely he's flattered by the let offs. But he's also had periods, and will again have periods where he has no luck and his scores will reflect that as well. You take the ups with the downs as a batsmen, it tends to even out over a longer period of time.
Adam Voges made a massive score against us after being dropped if I remember rightly.
It happens
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls dropped again.
He's leading a charmed life this summer.
While it's great for the team, it's incredibly frustrating with Conway ready for a crack. Why should Nichols be judged by the poor performance of the opposition?
If we have excellent players who can't get a look in then that's good for NZ cricket.
Besides which as I posted earlier Rossco is having a slightly lean patch of late, Conway might get a shot there soon if he decides to retire ? ( he's 37 in March )
It's not through Nichols' ability that he can't get a look in. It's through Pakistans ineptitude.
Nonsense, Nicholls ability is the biggest factor in him scoring runs at the moment, particularly mentally where he's making the opposition pay when he gets a chance. So often batsmen throw it away when they are struggling to find form but Nicholls has shown multiple times that he has what it takes to fight for his wicket when things get tough.
I get that he's had his fair share of luck this season but that's not been the case his entire career. There are times when you feel in good nick but every half chance is being taken, other times you get a few chances when you're trying to find form and it's up to you to make the most of it. But you don't fluke your way to a 44 average with 7 tons after 37 matches at this level. All batsmen get chances from time to time, Kane has had a few this year as well.
Well said. If Nicholls was as shit as @delicatessen is implying he'd be out by now. You still have to have the goods to get the runs and his record speaks for itself ( and I definitely doubted his ability early in his career so he proved me wrong ).
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls dropped again.
He's leading a charmed life this summer.
While it's great for the team, it's incredibly frustrating with Conway ready for a crack. Why should Nichols be judged by the poor performance of the opposition?
If we have excellent players who can't get a look in then that's good for NZ cricket.
Besides which as I posted earlier Rossco is having a slightly lean patch of late, Conway might get a shot there soon if he decides to retire ? ( he's 37 in March )
It's not through Nichols' ability that he can't get a look in. It's through Pakistans ineptitude.
Nonsense, Nicholls ability is the biggest factor in him scoring runs at the moment, particularly mentally where he's making the opposition pay when he gets a chance. So often batsmen throw it away when they are struggling to find form but Nicholls has shown multiple times that he has what it takes to fight for his wicket when things get tough.
I get that he's had his fair share of luck this season but that's not been the case his entire career. There are times when you feel in good nick but every half chance is being taken, other times you get a few chances when you're trying to find form and it's up to you to make the most of it. But you don't fluke your way to a 44 average with 7 tons after 37 matches at this level. All batsmen get chances from time to time, Kane has had a few this year as well.
Well said. If Nicholls was as shit as @delicatessen is implying he'd be out by now. You still have to have the goods to get the runs and his record speaks for itself ( and I definitely doubted his ability early in his career so he proved me wrong ).
This is my issue - he should be out by now. He came into this summer fighting for his place in the squad because he averaged 21 across his 12 innings last summer. Now apparently he's secured his spot because he's gotten inordinately lucky.
Yes of course you have to get the runs, but last time I checked you can't get the runs if you're back in the pavilion.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Absolutely he's flattered by the let offs. But he's also had periods, and will again have periods where he has no luck and his scores will reflect that as well. You take the ups with the downs as a batsmen, it tends to even out over a longer period of time.
Adam Voges made a massive score against us after being dropped if I remember rightly.
It happens
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Absolutely he's flattered by the let offs. But he's also had periods, and will again have periods where he has no luck and his scores will reflect that as well. You take the ups with the downs as a batsmen, it tends to even out over a longer period of time.
Adam Voges made a massive score against us after being dropped if I remember rightly.
It happens
Not dropped.
Bowled off a ball the umpire called a no ball which wasn't .
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls dropped again.
He's leading a charmed life this summer.
While it's great for the team, it's incredibly frustrating with Conway ready for a crack. Why should Nichols be judged by the poor performance of the opposition?
If we have excellent players who can't get a look in then that's good for NZ cricket.
Besides which as I posted earlier Rossco is having a slightly lean patch of late, Conway might get a shot there soon if he decides to retire ? ( he's 37 in March )
It's not through Nichols' ability that he can't get a look in. It's through Pakistans ineptitude.
Nonsense, Nicholls ability is the biggest factor in him scoring runs at the moment, particularly mentally where he's making the opposition pay when he gets a chance. So often batsmen throw it away when they are struggling to find form but Nicholls has shown multiple times that he has what it takes to fight for his wicket when things get tough.
I get that he's had his fair share of luck this season but that's not been the case his entire career. There are times when you feel in good nick but every half chance is being taken, other times you get a few chances when you're trying to find form and it's up to you to make the most of it. But you don't fluke your way to a 44 average with 7 tons after 37 matches at this level. All batsmen get chances from time to time, Kane has had a few this year as well.
Well said. If Nicholls was as shit as @delicatessen is implying he'd be out by now. You still have to have the goods to get the runs and his record speaks for itself ( and I definitely doubted his ability early in his career so he proved me wrong ).
This is my issue - he should be out by now. He came into this summer fighting for his place in the squad because he averaged 21 across his 12 innings last summer. Now apparently he's secured his spot because he's gotten inordinately lucky.
Yes of course you have to get the runs, but last time I checked you can't get the runs if you're back in the pavilion.
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Yes of course you have to get the runs, but last time I checked you can't get the runs if you're back in the pavilion.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda.
The only fact of relevance is that he's made not just middling scores this summer but large scores. Batting is all about mental fortitude at Test level. Just ask Flem about why he retired when he did.
