Black Caps v Pakistan
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Absolutely he's flattered by the let offs. But he's also had periods, and will again have periods where he has no luck and his scores will reflect that as well. You take the ups with the downs as a batsmen, it tends to even out over a longer period of time.
Adam Voges made a massive score against us after being dropped if I remember rightly.
It happens
Not dropped.
Bowled off a ball the umpire called a no ball which wasn't .
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Absolutely he's flattered by the let offs. But he's also had periods, and will again have periods where he has no luck and his scores will reflect that as well. You take the ups with the downs as a batsmen, it tends to even out over a longer period of time.
Adam Voges made a massive score against us after being dropped if I remember rightly.
It happens
Not dropped.
Bowled off a ball the umpire called a no ball which wasn't .
And to be fair to Nicholls, if the bowler was further back, it would be a slightly different angle, and slightly more time to play a shot.
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@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
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@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
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@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
and tough bowlers too! The stories I heard about Oram and co not wanting to bowl was saddening.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
and tough bowlers too! The stories I heard about Oram and co not wanting to bowl was saddening.
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
and tough bowlers too! The stories I heard about Oram and co not wanting to bowl was saddening.
I remember one of the Black Cap fans with the whiteboard sign in the crowd after Oram went down injured
"Get Up Oram You Pussy!"
Alan Border in the commentary box thought it was a tad harsh!
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I don't think we need to do anything silly to up the ante any further. 4 an over is fine, if we continue like this to the close of play we'll have a lead well above 300 with two days to play.
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@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
Averaging less than 20 over the last two seasons if simple catches are taken.
I think Nicholls is a quality batsman and we're lucky to have him. I also think Conway has a higher ceiling and isn't getting any younger.
I know we're prone to hyperbole and kneejerk reactions as members of the interwebz, but surely it's not too harsh to judge a man on his own performance, not the oppositions', over a good 15 months?
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Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
It's not how, it's how many
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@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
It's not how, it's how many
@booboo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
It's not how, it's how many
So this! I would rather be the luckiest sportsman than the best one.
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@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Pakistan is not a good test side even more so when they are missing at least two players that would walk into the current side.
“Luck” like dropped catches, poor bowling decisions etc have been a part of the game since Adam put on the whites, but you’ve still got to put the runs on. Nicholls isn’t the first batsman that has a few flaws to make runs against a lesser side...
@ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Pakistan is not a good test side even more so when they are missing at least two players that would walk into the current side.
“Luck” like dropped catches, poor bowling decisions etc have been a part of the game since Adam put on the whites, but you’ve still got to put the runs on. Nicholls isn’t the first batsman that has a few flaws to make runs against a lesser side...
I recall Kevin Pietersen achieving super hero status in an Ashes decider being dropped numerous times.
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@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
Absolutely, in 2 years from now (if that), nobody will care about the drops, it will just be recorded that Nicholls scored 157 and shared a record partnership with Kane. We won the last West Indies test on the back of his 174 after the rest of the top order struggled. He's not Kane or Ross, but he's a fine number 5 who has come through when we desperately needed him to.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
Averaging less than 20 over the last two seasons if simple catches are taken.
I think Nicholls is a quality batsman and we're lucky to have him. I also think Conway has a higher ceiling and isn't getting any younger.
I know we're prone to hyperbole and kneejerk reactions as members of the interwebz, but surely it's not too harsh to judge a man on his own performance, not the oppositions', over a good 15 months?
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
Averaging less than 20 over the last two seasons if simple catches are taken.
I think Nicholls is a quality batsman and we're lucky to have him. I also think Conway has a higher ceiling and isn't getting any younger.
I know we're prone to hyperbole and kneejerk reactions as members of the interwebz, but surely it's not too harsh to judge a man on his own performance, not the oppositions', over a good 15 months?
If.
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I'd love to know watling's average when he comes in with less than 150 vs more than 300. He's the polar opposite of a flat track bully. Only scores runs in the toughest conditions. Combined that with being a super reliable keeper and he's low key one of the most important players in the team.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
Averaging less than 20 over the last two seasons if simple catches are taken.
I think Nicholls is a quality batsman and we're lucky to have him. I also think Conway has a higher ceiling and isn't getting any younger.
I know we're prone to hyperbole and kneejerk reactions as members of the interwebz, but surely it's not too harsh to judge a man on his own performance, not the oppositions', over a good 15 months?
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
Averaging less than 20 over the last two seasons if simple catches are taken.
I think Nicholls is a quality batsman and we're lucky to have him. I also think Conway has a higher ceiling and isn't getting any younger.
I know we're prone to hyperbole and kneejerk reactions as members of the interwebz, but surely it's not too harsh to judge a man on his own performance, not the oppositions', over a good 15 months?
I think reviewing players records and changing their average based on every chance they give being taken is pretty tough and a lot of players records, Kane included, would be far inferior.
